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This is such a BS statement!

Are you kidding me?

IF this was a software based issue, I would be able to walk around town and the display would show NO signal and STILL be able to talk with the person on the other end.

If that was just a cosmetic issue, but looks like it's not just cosmetic issue and the phone actually acts according to signal level that is reported to the phone display.
 
Then read my post above yours - we shouldn't have to be making all these allowances, if Apple get away with it they'll just realise people will buy whateer crap they put out and standards will slip.

I wouldn't buy a car that only worked on freeways or if I held my hand out the window... Some people are just willing to put up with crap I guess, which I would if I hadn't just purchased the most expensive mass-market phone available - you get what you pay for doesn't mean much any more.

*oh, and I get poor signal quality calls holding the phone in many places, not just over the black band - my 3G didn't have a problem in these locations.
All these allowances???? List all these allowances. There is one issue that MAY affect some people and the solution is a VERY SIMPLE unless you are in fact a retard and are incapable of motor skills that even a monkey could learn: Simply slide you finger a few millimeters either up or down when in a low reception area.

It is so easy even a caveman could do it.
 
Yes I get it, it is not so godamn complicated that all this ubernerding needs to take place.

Then again forums are nothing more then gathering grounds for the bored and brainless these days.

Kids, wait for the fix, get a life in between, return it if the death grip destroys you're life and go enjoy the sun.

All the other stuff is pointless posing and trying to look smarter then you really are.If you don't understand it, stop talking until you do.

No, I'm not going to wait for the "fix." I'm going to put my bumper on my friends phone, which I haven't tried, and see if ends her issues. I always have better reception with the bumper than her standing in same spot. If placing the bumper on her phone gives her the reception I had, and vice versa, it's definitely not a software fix and done. That would be hardware. A bumper doesn't interact with the software, it interacts with the hardware.
 
If the fix doesn't make the phone better - apple are going to look silly again.

Can't see SJ wanting that to happen, especially as this is such a hi profile issue!.

I am expecting a few hidden tweaks too that will keep the bench testers happy.

If all the fix does is change a table that maps signal strength to bars, then it really will not take too long to update the OS. Such a simple fix could be issued in a heartbeat.

So why the delay?

The delay is to buy Apple some time to implement a proper fix. And by proper fix, I mean a change to the manufacturing process.

C.
 
Would Jesus tell people that they are just holding it wrong?:mad:

Someone needs to mock up a hands-free helmet. Just install the iPhone on an arm that extends from the top of a helmet. The helmet will contain a larger antenna that will offer better reception. Use voice commands and never touch your phone. Brilliant! This will be in Apple's next press release. I'm sure they'll even offer 20% discount if you buy the helmet and the arm extender.
 
If all the fix does is change a table that maps signal strength to bars, then it really will not take too long to update the OS. Such a simple fix could be issued in a heartbeat.

So why the delay?

The delay is to buy Apple some time to implement a proper fix. And by proper fix, I mean a change to the manufacturing process.

C.

Do you think they can change something without people noticing?
 
If that was just a cosmetic issue, but looks like it's not just cosmetic issue and the phone actually acts according to signal level that is reported to the phone display.

I don't know but my head is spinning like the girl's head from the Exorcist at this moment.

It's just so much grief, to deal with three parties to sort this out, when they blame each other and you are on the phone for hours trying to get this sorted out. It's just too much.

I should have waited. I just really thought this was going to blow my socks off.

In every other respects, this Phone is amazing, sure I wish there were folders in which I could store my sms's and so on, small stuff, but clearly the signal issue is massive. So I'll have to return it IF they let me. Phones4U are very aggressive and so is Vodafone in keeping me on the 24 month contract.

By the way I love your bunny signature!
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If that was just a cosmetic issue, but looks like it's not just cosmetic issue and the phone actually acts according to signal level that is reported to the phone display.

Do we know that or is that just an assumption? Because all I read from Apple so far is about customer expectation (as in not to make the drop "look" so bad), not a word about what the phone does?
 
News flash for you :) everything here is an assumption.

No, although you don't like to hear it, it is not.

There is a bunch of facts (like people having troubles with the reception, Apple issuing statements, SJ answering mails ... ) and then there is a ton of people on both sides of the fence reading whatever they want into articles. Just take that AnandTech report continuously cited from both sides claiming to support their point.
So, sorry for at least trying to keeps those things separated.

T.
 
No, although you don't like to hear it, it is not.

There is a bunch of facts (like people having troubles with the reception, Apple issuing statements, SJ answering mails ... ) and then there is a ton of people on both sides of the fence reading whatever they want into articles. Just take that AnandTech report continuously cited from both sides claiming to support their point.
So, sorry for at least trying to keeps those things separated.

T.

Apple has the facts and for now it's just an issue with some phones with an unknow cause which Apple thinks is software based.
 
Apple has the facts and for now it's just an issue with some phones with an unknow cause which Apple thinks is software based.

Where did they say that ? Apple said there was a software issue with how bars are reported which makes them seem higher. They never addressed the bars dropping off to No Service when holding the phone.

They did say "You're in a weak signal area, you can return the phone for a refund". There is no fix coming.
 
So the bars we see now are erroneously represented *higher*? Sooo... this means that the person who has 2 bars *with a signal* now will get no bars and no signal after the update? This seems like it will take people with weak signals who *can* talk now, and make their phones paper weights with no chance of reception.

I don't understand Apple's logic. The phone showing more bars results in signal loss and dropped calls? So if you start with 5 bars, and talk, then hold the bottom left, it goes to 1 bar then drops. This is how it works now. Under Apple's new plans, you start with 3 bars, you hold the bottom left, then the bar drops to 1 and you lose the call. What's the difference whether you start with 5 or 3 bars. If the end result is you lose the call because you are touching the band of the phone, you still end up in the same (sinking) boat.

The calculation isn't the problem. It seems with the iPhone, you need the signal bar calculation to be *higher* since we lose bars quickly if we touch the phone. By lowering the starting bars, we will lose calls just that much faster.

Don't get this one. Anyone?
Arf.
Christ man! Read their announcement!

The bars you guys see on the phone are just indications of certain signal levels. But these signal levels are NOT linear. i.e: when you have say, signal=10% you get one bar 20%=2 and so on. It turns out that it goes like this upto the 4th bar but then, bar 5 is not 50 but 100!
In short the representation of the last 2 bars show some 40% of the whole signal. In other words the signal strength is not accurate.
Obviously we want to make this VERY accurate, because of it's nature it can be used a quality factor to measure anything.
So the bottom line is that we want this to be an accurate reading of signal strength, as much as we want our watch to show an accurate time, a thermometer accurate temperature and so on. If we have accurate tools in hand, then we can easily depend on our devices to do what ever these do.
The non liner representation of the iphone(s) signal should be fixed. Then you will be aware of when and where to call and how. Particularly in areas with poor coverage.

On the other hand an accurate signal measurement, could eventually help in locating the best cell tower, etc etc. Only good things can come out of this. It should be fixed. Imagine what would have happened if you had an outside thermometer displaying a temperature of 100F where it was only 50!....


Now just learn and adjust yourselves on holding that phone correctly and rest assured that on top of everything else, it's got maybe one of the best 3G/Ant designed receivers for reception. Just avoid shorting it's antennae. It's not that hard to do...
 
All these allowances???? List all these allowances. There is one issue that MAY affect some people and the solution is a VERY SIMPLE unless you are in fact a retard and are incapable of motor skills that even a monkey could learn: Simply slide you finger a few millimeters either up or down when in a low reception area.

It is so easy even a caveman could do it.

Left-handed - try it, it's a pain in the ass - if you read through the points I made in the posts previous to that one you'd see what I mean - I don't buy Apple so I can mold myself to fit it, I spend the extra because of its form and function over the competition. Holding it without touching certain parts is a failure on Apple's design ethos that has made it so popular - if it's worse than the competition in that respect then why would people pay a premium for it? Hence why mine is being returned. You are the one making allowances for their poor design and I always thought that was the excuse of Microsoft users?

Anyway, you (Egret) Firewood and the guy with the "I'm with stupid" logo (that ironically points at his name) have demonstrated over many posts that you're blind to Apple doing any wrong - I am a reasonable person and I can see both sides of an argument but any way you look at it the iP4 has flaws the 3G and 3GS never did, despite all the progress made in other areas of the phone. I always liked Apple and their design but, while the iP4 is a great evolution in many respects there is an obvious fault in the design, the way Apple are handling it with arrogance and patronisation has put me off them for the near future.

I have good knowledge of product design and have had to recall ranges myself in the past as Brand Manager of an international company - it's a costly pain in the ass but it's the right thing to do. The product I recalled actually only had a very minor cosmetic issue too - its performance was unaffected. If Apple recalled the iP4 to fix hardware then the "99%" of happy users (as someone ludicrously stated earlier) could just keep their phones meaning only around 20,000 units would need replacement - a drop in the ocean for Apple and great PR with 100% satisfied customers right? :rolleyes:
 
Where did they say that ? Apple said there was a software issue with how bars are reported which makes them seem higher. They never addressed the bars dropping off to No Service when holding the phone.

They did say "You're in a weak signal area, you can return the phone for a refund". There is no fix coming.

Bluray is a bag of hurt. Oh ... wait, sorry, wrong thread. Carry on. :D
 
I don't understand. :confused: If this is a software issue, why do some iPhone 4 users in the same location have no problems while others do? And why would a 3GS running the same software not have the same issues?

Unless I'm missing something, all signs are pointing towards this being a hardware problem. I was considering getting an iPhone 4 once it's released in Australia - but not anymore. :(
 
iPhone users hate Android phone because Android sucks,
Android phone users hate iPhone because Android sucks.
 
All these allowances???? List all these allowances. There is one issue that MAY affect some people and the solution is a VERY SIMPLE unless you are in fact a retard and are incapable of motor skills that even a monkey could learn: Simply slide you finger a few millimeters either up or down when in a low reception area.

It is so easy even a caveman could do it.

Maybe its easy, by only a moron would accept such solution.
 
Jimrod it is very good that you returned that phone.
Now here is a better phone suited for your needs.
You can hold it with ease, its got big buttons... etc etc
 

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Arf.
Now just learn and adjust yourselves on holding that phone correctly and rest assured that on top of everything else, it's got maybe one of the best 3G/Ant designed receivers for reception. Just avoid shorting it's antennae. It's not that hard to do...

Heh- Good luck with that.

If people listened, we won't have so many inane threads on this-
 
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