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Being more on the normal side, it's amusing to see the maladies many people are afflicted with. Returning multiple times must be incredibly stressful.

Of course I have other issues LOL
 
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Amazon does this as well if you return too many products. Sounds like you were expecting perfection and Apple isn't trying to produce a perfect product. Let this be a lesson to anyone who returns things frequently. Apple cannot sell an opened item as a new item anymore. Since Apple is losing money on returned items, I can see how they would ban somebody from ordering something that they have a high probability of only returning a few days later.
 
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I don't think Apple has treated you like a criminal. You were allowed to return all your items and your money was returned to you. For whatever reason, Apple has judged you to be a high risk customer. And with Executive Relations contacting you, it sounds serious. Is it possible you have left out some pertinent facts?

Apple isn't going to divulge internal policy related to this matter outside of what @WildSky has already posted.

Your ban may be temporary or permanent.
Very well said. I think the OP is not disclosing something because I don't think Apple bans people for a few returns. I've returned tons of stuff to Apple and never been banned from making future purchases. OP, what are you not telling us?
 
Never been able to understand how one person can have so many issues. I can recall anything I returned. So I can see why they are concerned. What was the content of the complaint. Perhaps your words came across harshly?
 
It does seem really odd OP that Apple would do that after returning an item three times. You can go into the iPhone forum and see where people have swapped their phones out 10 and 11 times and nothing ever happens. The whole situation seems very strange as Apple normally doesn't mind allowing multiple returns.
Yes, and last year I did just that. I tried every single iPhone 12 model before settling on a 12 Pro Max and a 12 mini. This was during Covid lockdowns where I couldn’t go to the Apple Store and find what would suit me. But I’ve never had to return other Apple products save for one iPad years ago and a defective iPhone 8 Plus. I’m wondering if Apple is more persnickety when it comes to things that are not iPhones. I’m thinking of preordering the M2 Air so stuff like what OP is describing give me pause. I may just stick with my Dell laptop.
 
It's been more than a year now and the ban continues.
And it got worse: I tried to buy a set of silicone tips for my AirPods Pro from apple Online Store using my Apple Account balance (I have around 100 euros there).
Apple again cancelled my order and now they do not let me use my Account Balance and also banned me from buying on App Store or even renew my iCloud+ plan.
So, Apple literally stole my Account Balance, and crippled the usability of my Apple devices. Being limited to 5Gb of iCloud storage prevents me from having my work files on iCloud as well as all my photos, videos and so on.
 
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how can we blame companies that block bad actors? they're a business. even if you did finally keep an item they will lose money selling to customers like you. there has to be a limit to returns
 
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I think that the help of a professional seems to be indicated… a professional lawyer should be able to bring the whole matter to a satisfactory end.
how can we blame companies that block bad actors? they're a business. even if you did finally keep an item they will lose money selling to customers like you. there has to be a limit to returns
How can you, a customer, not a company, can start pointing finger to the weakest part in the deal?
I do not return thins for no reason. It's well known Apple QC has been declining over the years. Should I keep a defective product, hewn the consumer law states it clearly that the company has to provide defect-free products?
Apple is far from loosing money with its business. It's a matter of respect for the customers and for their rights. And simply taking my Apple Account balance? Money I paid. Is that OK to you, either?
 
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How can you, a customer, not a company, can start pointing finger to the weakest part in the deal?
I do not return thins for no reason. It's well known Apple QC has been declining over the years. Should I keep a defective product, hewn the consumer law states it clearly that the company has to provide defect-free products?
Apple is far from loosing money with its business. It's a matter of respect for the customers and for their rights. And simply taking my Apple Account balance? Money I paid. Is that OK to you, either?
I didn’t say any thing of that. I merely suggested that you involve a lawyer. simply because there seems to be no way that you yourself solve this - time has progressed, but the issue according to you has overall worsened, hasn’t it? I do not see that you ponder various options and IMHO it’s (actually for a while) at a point where involving a lawyer seems to be the best option.
 
I've returned tons of stuff to Apple and never been banned for too many returns. Just ordered a new Air, as a matter of fact. Zero issues.
 
It's been more than a year now and the ban continues.
And it got worse: I tried to buy a set of silicone tips for my AirPods Pro from apple Online Store using my Apple Account balance (I have around 100 euros there).
Apple again cancelled my order and now they do not let me use my Account Balance and also banned me from buying on App Store or even renew my iCloud+ plan.
So, Apple literally stole my Account Balance, and crippled the usability of my Apple devices. Being limited to 5Gb of iCloud storage prevents me from having my work files on iCloud as well as all my photos, videos and so on.
Not allowing you to use your balance for such a small purpose does seem incredibly petty and maybe not even legal? I can understand you not wanting to hire a lawyer for this, because Apple can afford to litigate against any consumer and squash them like a bug.

But is there any kind of consumer protection agency in your country you can appeal to, to at least be able to use your credits? How about consumer oriented journalists?

Where I live, there are local news journalists who specialize in stories about businesses large and small cheating or mistreating consumers. 30 years ago my poor dad got hounded by such a journalist for a few days because he had the same name as another local guy who was scamming elderly people on home repairs. My dad worked as a handyman for his post retirement job, so that confused matters a little along with the names being the same. Fortunately he was quickly able to clear it up. We were seriously impressed, though, at how dedicated the journalist was in helping the consumers that were fleeced.

Unfortunately this forum is not one that is naturally going to side with and empathize with your predicament. And those of us who do empathize can’t really help you. I wish I could. I think it’s awful that this ban appears to not only be permanent, but is keeping you from using your credits. But my “thoughts and feelings” aren’t worth anything practical. I do wish you luck and hope you find a solution.
 
This thread just lingers on.

Maybe Apple will pay you not to return things. That's what some companies are contemplating.

It's gone that far :D

A simpler solution is just to ban people. 3 returns of the same item? Sounds reasonable to me. If 3 doesn't work, you really should try another brand. We insist ;)
 
I've returned tons of stuff to Apple and never been banned for too many returns. Just ordered a new Air, as a matter of fact. Zero issues.
Don’t take it for granted that this ban won’t happen to you in the future, though. Bad production runs can happen. There was one year my husband got three horrifically bad iPads in a row. The displays were awful. He finally kept the last one even though it was not satisfactory and decided instead to just bear with it until time to upgrade. He knew very well bans could happen and didn’t want to run into one.

I went through this with the iPhone 12’s. I liked my 12 Pro Max but it had a bad display (instead of blacks it displayed glowing green in the dark). But I’d already returned a chronically overheating iPhone 12. And an iPhone 12 Pro that was unbalanced and cramped my hand. I finally settled on a 12 mini with a defective display and that 12 Pro Max. I did eventually trade them away.

So, these bans can be misused into intimidating customers into keeping sub standard products. But I do understand that enough consumers misuse return policies that it’s affecting all of us and causes such bans to exist. Unfortunately, companies often hide behind an implacable system instead of meeting customers and treating them as individuals.

I think in this case what is needed is direct person to person communication with Apple and from Apple. There needs to be human intervention and interaction here and not just slapping a customer repeatedly against “the system.” So Apple can see if OP was abusing the system or a genuine victim of it and of a run of bad luck with poor quality control. I know OP supposedly was in communication with someone but how much attention was paid? Was the person interested in helping or just wanted to stamp this as solved and move on?

I’ve gotten enough wonky products from Apple to know that though they are excellent compared to the competitors, they are not perfect or remotely close to it.

The thing is, they’re so much better than most competitors that it’s hard for us to accept it when we hear where they failed a customer. So we tend to meet such accounts with derision and suspicion.

And maybe OP did create his own problems (or maybe not) but I think we need to keep an open mind and be careful for our selves. Don’t take anything for granted. A lot of people who get slapped with a ban or get locked out of their social media accounts thought it couldn’t happen to them.
 
I didn’t say any thing of that. I merely suggested that you involve a lawyer. simply because there seems to be no way that you yourself solve this - time has progressed, but the issue according to you has overall worsened, hasn’t it? I do not see that you ponder various options and IMHO it’s (actually for a while) at a point where involving a lawyer seems to be the best option.
@Slartibart Sorry, I was not clear. I was not replying to you (your suggestion was pretty reasonable), but to @philosopherdog.
Sorry if I was not clear enough :)
 
It may be that the frequent returns were flagged as fraudulent (perhaps automatically by their system). You may can write an email to tcook@apple.com explaining the situation. His staff might can intervene.
 
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Don’t take it for granted that this ban won’t happen to you in the future, though. Bad production runs can happen. There was one year my husband got three horrifically bad iPads in a row. The displays were awful. He finally kept the last one even though it was not satisfactory and decided instead to just bear with it until time to upgrade. He knew very well bans could happen and didn’t want to run into one.

I went through this with the iPhone 12’s. I liked my 12 Pro Max but it had a bad display (instead of blacks it displayed glowing green in the dark). But I’d already returned a chronically overheating iPhone 12. And an iPhone 12 Pro that was unbalanced and cramped my hand. I finally settled on a 12 mini with a defective display and that 12 Pro Max. I did eventually trade them away.

So, these bans can be misused into intimidating customers into keeping sub standard products. But I do understand that enough consumers misuse return policies that it’s affecting all of us and causes such bans to exist. Unfortunately, companies often hide behind an implacable system instead of meeting customers and treating them as individuals.

I think in this case what is needed is direct person to person communication with Apple and from Apple. There needs to be human intervention and interaction here and not just slapping a customer repeatedly against “the system.” So Apple can see if OP was abusing the system or a genuine victim of it and of a run of bad luck with poor quality control. I know OP supposedly was in communication with someone but how much attention was paid? Was the person interested in helping or just wanted to stamp this as solved and move on?

I’ve gotten enough wonky products from Apple to know that though they are excellent compared to the competitors, they are not perfect or remotely close to it.

The thing is, they’re so much better than most competitors that it’s hard for us to accept it when we hear where they failed a customer. So we tend to meet such accounts with derision and suspicion.

And maybe OP did create his own problems (or maybe not) but I think we need to keep an open mind and be careful for our selves. Don’t take anything for granted. A lot of people who get slapped with a ban or get locked out of their social media accounts thought it couldn’t happen to them.
Above all we should not take Apple as the pinnacle of everything and with that allowing them to treat customers as they wish.
I did have some terrible MacBook Air units, som were bent out of the box, to an extent the 4th foot couldn+t touch the tabletop unless I pressed it too hard to be good.
Another one almost caught fire while on charge.
Aside from units with scratches and dings on the aluminum case out of the box.
Would anyone paying full-price for a new product keep a product with defects from factory?
I believe not.
And another detail: it's Apple itself that encourages customer to be picky with quality. Their marketing advertises perfection, beauty and incredibly built products. And charges for it.
It should be no surprise when customer won't accept poorly built or defective products while paying steep prices.
In this case, I believe I must have been wrongly flagged and caught in there system.
Issue is that Apple does not have nay mechanism for a customer to appeal and request a revision of the decision.
It's simply a blind system that bans, and apples the slience treatment.
No matter how many times you request, they just pretend nothing is going on.
Now, thing got too far as what they did was to steal my money.
They are simply keeping me to access a balance I paid for.
If they are doing that, the least they can do is refunding the customer. But no, while this ban lasts, Apple "can't do anything regarding that balance blockage".
Unreal!
 
It may be that the frequent returns were flagged as fraudulent (perhaps automatically by their system). You may can write an email to tcook@apple.com explaining the situation. His staff might can intervene.
Already did several times during last year.
Did it also twice since last Monday, as till last Monday I was only blocked at the Apple Online Store.
Now I can't even buy an app or pay form my iCloud +, nor use my Apple Account Balance.
 
OP, can you edit/update the first post in this thread with any relevant details so newcomers to the thread don't have to read every page to get updated details? Things like...
  • Have you tried to make a purchase at an Apple Retail Store since you believe your ban started?
  • How are they possibly identifying your orders to cancel if you've tried different addresses, payment types, contact information (phone number/email), etc? Are you implying they're canceling the orders based on name and name alone?
  • Did anyone from Apple ever acknowledge that you are indeed banned?
  • Did anyone from Apple ever inform you as to the reasoning of your ban?
  • Did anyone from Apple ever inform you as to the scope, terms and/or duration of your ban?
  • Have you ever made purchases using promotional portals for which you were ineligible (i.e. Apple Education Store, etc.)?
  • Have you ever made fraudulent claims to Apple (i.e. returned products that you had damaged and claimed you received them in that state, shipped empty return boxes back to them, etc.)?
  • Have you ever committed any crimes for which you had to mount a defense in a criminal court?
  • Etc.
 
OP, can you edit/update the first post in this thread with any relevant details so newcomers to the thread don't have to read every page to get updated details? Things like...
  • Have you tried to make a purchase at an Apple Retail Store since you believe your ban started?
  • How are they possibly identifying your orders to cancel if you've tried different addresses, payment types, contact information (phone number/email), etc? Are you implying they're canceling the orders based on name and name alone?
  • Did anyone from Apple ever acknowledge that you are indeed banned?
  • Did anyone from Apple ever inform you as to the reasoning of your ban?
  • Did anyone from Apple ever inform you as to the scope, terms and/or duration of your ban?
  • Have you ever made purchases using promotional portals for which you were ineligible (i.e. Apple Education Store, etc.)?
  • Have you ever made fraudulent claims to Apple (i.e. returned products that you had damaged and claimed you received them in that state, shipped empty return boxes back to them, etc.)?
  • Have you ever committed any crimes for which you had to mount a defense in a criminal court?
  • Etc.
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  • Have you tried to make a purchase at an Apple Retail Store since you believe your ban started?
  • No. Just try to purchase at Online Store whenever I need something. When I confirm the ban still applies, order from a Reseller.
  • How are they possibly identifying your orders to cancel if you've tried different addresses, payment types, contact information (phone number/email), etc? Are you implying they're canceling the orders based on name and name alone?
  • I believe they might track it by name, payment method, and maybe address. But no in an isolated way. The seem to cross-check info. I know this because in the first few days of ban, Apple representatives suggested me to create a new Apple ID to overcome the ban, while things were not solved. No luck.
  • Did anyone from Apple ever acknowledge that you are indeed banned?
  • At all. A representative from Apple ID disclosed it inadvertently, two days ago.
  • Did anyone from Apple ever inform you as to the reasoning of your ban?
  • No. They don't even acknowledge there is a ban, They just are evasive and pretend nothing is happening.
  • Did anyone from Apple ever inform you as to the scope, terms and/or duration of your ban?
  • No
  • Have you ever made purchases using promotional portals for which you were ineligible (i.e. Apple Education Store, etc.)?
  • No
  • Have you ever made fraudulent claims to Apple (i.e. returned products that you had damaged and claimed you received them in that state, shipped empty return boxes back to them, etc.)?
  • No. Every return was due to actual issues. And for that reason Apple refunded all the returns after confirming the issues.
  • Have you ever committed any crimes for which you had to mount a defense in a criminal court?
  • Never. I am an honest hard working person. Deeply value my honor, and my hard earned money.. All I have was bought with the money earned with my hard work.
 
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Updated on first page.
Replies below, so people do not have to scroll back
  • Have you tried to make a purchase at an Apple Retail Store since you believe your ban started?
  • No. Just try to purchase at Online Store whenever I need something. When I confirm the ban still applies, order from a Reseller.
  • How are they possibly identifying your orders to cancel if you've tried different addresses, payment types, contact information (phone number/email), etc? Are you implying they're canceling the orders based on name and name alone?
  • I believe they might track it by name, payment method, and maybe address. But no in an isolated way. The seem to cross-check info. I know this because in the first few days of ban, Apple representatives suggested me to create a new Apple ID to overcome the ban, while things were not solved. No luck.
  • Did anyone from Apple ever acknowledge that you are indeed banned?
  • At all. A representative from Apple ID disclosed it inadvertently, two days ago.
  • Did anyone from Apple ever inform you as to the reasoning of your ban?
  • No. They don't even acknowledge there is a ban, They just are evasive and pretend nothing is happening.
  • Did anyone from Apple ever inform you as to the scope, terms and/or duration of your ban?
  • No
  • Have you ever made purchases using promotional portals for which you were ineligible (i.e. Apple Education Store, etc.)?
  • No
  • Have you ever made fraudulent claims to Apple (i.e. returned products that you had damaged and claimed you received them in that state, shipped empty return boxes back to them, etc.)?
  • No. Every return was due to actual issues. And for that reason Apple refunded all the returns after confirming the issues.
  • Have you ever committed any crimes for which you had to mount a defense in a criminal court?
  • Never. I am an honest hard working person. Deeply value my honor, and my hard earned money.. All I have was bought with the money earned with my hard work.
Weird! And last question, you’re not a citizen of an OFAC embargoed or sanctioned nation or anything right? Like Cuba, Iran, Syria, North Korea, Myanmar, Sudan, Liberia, Iraq, Zimbabwe, Balkans, Libya, Cote D'Ivoire (formerly Ivory Coast), the Palestinian Territories?

Wonder if it’s an OFAC issue. Suspected exportation?
 
You became an unprofitable customer, so they severed ties to prevent you from costing them more. Likely it was a largely automated procedure. You met some algorithm that marked you has a high risk customer, and then someone reviewed the details and came to the same conclusion.

Amazon does this too if you return too much.

At the end of the day, they have no obligation to offer service to you. Just buy from BestBuy or something.
Best Buy is even more tough with returns and will ban you even quicker.
 
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Ok,I think I got what is going on here.
What OP is experiencing is what I think Apple calls an ”impersonation ban”; put it plainly Apple considers that OP is using details that he/she shouldn’t be using for making and/or returning the orders. In that case Apple would boot the specific account from all the paid services as it would be considered as potential fraudulent.

Considering that OP reported that Apple showed no interest communicating with him/her for resolving the problem (like asking details to verify the account) it seems to me that Apple is pretty confident for their decision.
 
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