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This is going to cause lower first month sales. Why would I want to go out and buy it right away when they are already talking about lowering the price.

I was very ready to go buy on first day, now I am having second thoughts.
 
In many cases these sticks are sold through mobile operators and they're transparently subsidised by the operators, even for pre-paid 3G.

While that is certainly true (at least for prepaid sim cards), it is no big issue to acquire a contract-free, unlocked stick for that price. That should counter any claims that 3G hardware needed to be extra-expensive in some kind because of some unspecified patents.

And just to put things into perspective: I mentioned 3G USB sticks, which are probably more expensive than a mere 3G+GPS chip (unless Apple went for a super-expensive, super-low-power chip, that doesn't even exist on any engineer's drawing board)
 
Here's a 10" multitouch computer that has a 10h battery/1 month standby, an instant-on OS, intuitive touch-oriented soft and optional 3G, starting at $499 and it's underwhelming because of what exactly? It's not a digital picture frame or a PMP with a built-in card reader. You can get those for $69 right now.
This thing is all about the software and connectivity. You can still get the USB dongle/card reader if really needed. I think power users are missing the point about what to do with it. Or maybe have never used touchscreen PC's before and don't want to know what can't work.

Casual users will be a target but also many niche markets users. It can be a chance for those who are required to be always connected via 3G to carry something less clumsy than a notebook & with a better used real estate than a netbook. Maybe reliable enough to leave the power supply at home. Equipped with enough equivalents to mainstream apps to leave the notebook at the office. Remote administration via iPhone or iPad native versions of logmein, iSSH, VNC, Citrix is one such scenario.
The main thing is to get enough iPad-native rich softwares to kickstart the platform.

It's underwhelming because they couldn't even be bothered to revamp core UI elements like Springboard to take advantage of the screen resolution and size.

It's underwhelming because instead of immersing the user in the UI through the use of new context sensitive onscreen controls (such as a thumb-board on each side of the display when holding it) they chose to just take the iPhone OS UI and make it "mo bigger".

It's underwhelming because they didn't even put a dock connector on BOTH sides of the device so you could dock it in either orientation for easier typing/composing of an email (despite what you state it is actually a photo frame as you can turn a slideshow on with the device when it is docked).

There are about 100 things that are underwhelming and somewhat obvious that could be improved on with the iPad concept without turning it into an actual laptop computer (or even adding any hardware for that matter). There are millions of dollars and thousands of research hours into ways to improve the multi-touch UI, many of them from companies Apple has acquired and yet they've used none of them, choosing to provide a dumbed down product that doesn't try to rock the boat and scare your grandma.

The only thing that's going to kickstart this product and bump it out of niche status is going to be some massive iPad related specific software improvements in OS 4.0.

Unfortunately nothing can be done about the hardware oversights (lack of camera, etc). The defense of Apple leaving off a simple USB port or SD card slot were humorous too. People defended Apple's lack of an SD slot on iMacs for years and now that they've finally gone and done it, of course it makes "perfect sense", because now Steve-O has perfected the SD card apparently.

There's plenty to like about the prospects of what iPad can do for us in mobile computing and it's going to be an instantaneous smash hit in certain fields like medical, it's just disappointing that there's more to be unimpressed with at this point.

Too much sizzle and not enough steak.
 
Wow....?

Having worked for Apple for over 5 years, all I can say is that I'm not impressed with the iPad, let alone the price. I'm sorry folks, but I try to stay neutral on all things Apple, but this device might not be the next best thing from Apple. I have been listening to everyone I know, most of whom either currently work for Apple or used to work for Apple, and when you bring up the iPad, most respond with jeers and comments like, “Don't you mean Apple's MAXiPad?”. From those who consider themselves some of Apple's greatest supporters, the iPad is pretty much a less portable and more costly iPod Touch. :confused:
 
Well, I'll hold off judgement until I see the thing in person and determine what I can do with it that's useful to me based on what apps will be available. If I can find a compelling reason to buy one, then I certainly will. If not, then I'll wait to see what else might be coming down the pipe. Remember that the first-gen iPod touch was not that useful compared to what it is today (no apps, no speaker, jailbreaking to get any useful functionality). Who knows what the 3rd-gen iPad might be like.

Personally, my biggest "concern" is how I would carry it around since it's not really pocket sized.

As for the keynote and the expectations -- whose fault was that? WE (the rumor community) generated every bit of all that hype and expectation. Apple never once officially acknowedged that a tablet product even existed until the day of the keynote, so any expectations on the specs, pricing, etc. were purely speculative. Rumors spun more rumors until everyone was sure there was going to be a full OS X device with a 12" OLED screen for $399. :rolleyes:

Well said!!!:) I'm absolutely sick of these people on here passing judgement on a product that hasn't even been released as of yet. "HELLO MR FORUM MEMBERS, YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO BUY IT". I'll be at Macworld tomorrow to check it out for myself, I don't need MR to tell me if the iPad is worth it or not.
If some of these people here hate the iPad so much, why don't they go and treat themselves to an HP (failure) tablet.
 
I already have an iPad Mini, so there's no need for me to buy it either, regardless of price.

Maybe if I accidentally drop and break it, I might go for this bigger variant. It won't fit in my pockets, but I don't really carry the current one with me all the time anyways.
 
Having worked for Apple for over 5 years, all I can say is that I'm not impressed with the iPad, let alone the price. I'm sorry folks, but I try to stay neutral on all things Apple, but this device might not be the next best thing from Apple. I have been listening to everyone I know, most of whom either currently work for Apple or used to work for Apple, and when you bring up the iPad, most respond with jeers and comments like, “Don't you mean Apple's MAXiPad?”. From those who consider themselves some of Apple's greatest supporters, the iPad is pretty much a less portable and more costly iPod Touch. :confused:

While technically retail employees "work for Apple" I don't really think it puts you into the same category as their engineering, marketing and hardware design people.... all of who I'm sure are quite thrilled with how much money they are going to make off of this thing.
 
While technically retail employees "work for Apple" I don't really think it puts you into the same category as their engineering, marketing and hardware design people.... all of who I'm sure are quite thrilled with how much money they are going to make off of this thing.

Nice try. :) I worked for Apple as a Software Test Engineer - not some 20-something at the Genius Bar. At the “beer bash” that Apple threw for the iPad, that's the little party Apple throws for its employees after they announce the release of a new product (for those outside of Apple that don't know), the reviews were mixed. My friends that currently work at Apple would most certainly tell everyone that the iPad is the next best thing since sliced bread, but behind closed doors, most of my friends that work for Apple view it as less than impressive. :cool:

Also, just because you own a Mac doesn't make you an expert either. I own a BMW, but I'm not a world-famous race car driver. LOL
 
Nice try. :) I worked for Apple as a Software Test Engineer - not some 20-something at the Genius Bar. At the “beer bash” that Apple threw for the iPad, that's the little party Apple throws for its employees after they announce the release of a new product (for those outside of Apple that don't know), the reviews were mixed. My friends that currently work at Apple would most certainly tell everyone that the iPad is the next best thing since sliced bread, but behind closed doors, most of my friends that work for Apple view it as less than impressive. :cool:

Also, just because you own a Mac doesn't make you an expert either. I own a BMW, but I'm not a world-famous race car driver. LOL

Fair enough. There are plenty of genius bar jockeys here who seem to think they are privy to Apple's inner workings. Realize that claiming to work for Apple will be met with much scrutiny if no sources/proof are cited (LinkedIN profile, etc).

I don't portend to be a Mac expert but am pretty knowledgeable about the tech industry specifically (15+ years) and various UNIX based OSs in general.

I'm not a race car driver either, but I bet my Audi will smoke your Bimmer. :)
 
I'm neutral to unimpressed with the ipad. I may buy it when I get to hold it and see if it's useful or not. I own a iphone 3GS, but I've thought about buying a ipod touch because I dont want to spend my phone battery on surfing the internet... I sorta of want a separate device to do it.

I found if I install all those apps, and use my iphone to play music and whatnot, my batter barely last 2 hours before running low. Imagine when I have to call 911 and I'm down to 1% batter time??

But I was holding off the touch to see what the ipad has, or waiting for a new generation of touch that includes a camera and agps receiver. or simply get a ultraportable laptop or something...

At the moment, I'm underwhelm at what's out there... not just from apple but by everyone else too.

I price drop might kick me off the fence and actually customer it then wait to see what the next generation touch and iphone will bring.

For now I'll wait and see, and put my sony TZ to work a little longer. =/
 
Nice try. :) I worked for Apple as a Software Test Engineer - not some 20-something at the Genius Bar. At the “beer bash” that Apple threw for the iPad, that's the little party Apple throws for its employees after they announce the release of a new product (for those outside of Apple that don't know), the reviews were mixed. My friends that currently work at Apple would most certainly tell everyone that the iPad is the next best thing since sliced bread, but behind closed doors, most of my friends that work for Apple view it as less than impressive. :cool:

Also, just because you own a Mac doesn't make you an expert either. I own a BMW, but I'm not a world-famous race car driver. LOL

Let's just say it's your word against ours that you even work for Apple. Seeing as you just registered on MR and your first post is something horribly negative about the iPad makes you quite suspect. You're quite transparent. :p
 
Relax and get some fresh air!

I don't really see what you're getting at. _Every single_ hardware company needs a gross margin above 30%, otherwise it'll go out of business or be confined to selling commodity products very soon.
I don't know the exact numbers, but Apple's gross margin isn't much better than, say, Intel's, maybe even lower. I'm VERY confident that every single Android phone or Zune out there is sold with a similar margin as the iPhone.

Jeez! Easy now, OK? I read the reply and I still don’t know what your problem is.

I DO NO NOT CARE ABOUT OTHER PHONES. OK? Why do some people have to take any mentioning of Apple’s profit margins so miserably?

You don’t know the numbers, but you are VERY confident?! What do you mean? How can you? I cited an article that was based on experts’ opinions. And YOU come at me like that? Don’t be ridiculous!

Besides, forget that 30 percent argument, the article claimed that Apple had 40 to 55 percent margin. Why do you have to be upset, I’m not the taxman! You don’t have to defend Apple, I didn’t even express any opinion about that figure. But now, talking about it... 30 IS lower than 40 or 55. I hope that you are not trying to refute that.



It is known how much manufacturing flash memory and touchscreen costs, and no one's gonna sell Apple a few million memory chips and GPS chips at a loss, right?

Do you know the exact numbers and figures? Nope, because they are not public. Are you familiar with the exact terms of their contract? Nope. Then what are you rattling about?


(Please do us the favour and don't claim someone will, because it'd be ludicrous)

Well, you know, from time to time, some companies do sell at a loss. In fact, Sony started Playstation 3 with losing 12 cents on every dollar, now its down to about 3 or 4. Still, when you buy a Playstation 3 console, then Sony loses some money on it. BECAUSE IT COST THEM MORE THAN WHAT THEY GET FROM YOUR PURCHASE. Does that sound ludicrous to you? Maybe you should be less arrogant and better informed. Microsoft also started selling the Xbox with a huge loss. Apparently, it cost them 40 percent more than what they charged for it. Depending on national legislations, you can go to certain countries, where supermarkets are still allowed to sell certain items below their costs. Does that mean that their overall operation is making a loss? Not necessarily. It’s just the question of where a company generates its revenues and how it can reduce its operating and other costs.

The iPad is sold with very similar margins as the other Apple products, and is no way more "overpriced" that any iPod Nano or 13" Macbook Pro.

Again, you speculate, but you still argue against people’s opinions that reflect more experience. I haven’t even used the term ‘overpriced’, have I? Nope. Again, why do you defend Apple? Who attacked them? I didn’t, so back off! Again, I HAVEN’T EXPRESSED ANY OPINION ABOUT THE MARGINS.


Have you got ANY idea how much development of a complex piece of software costs? Microsoft stated that the development of Vista cost more than the moon landing.

I don’t care about Vista either. Besides, the iPad doesn’t run Vista, does it?


Of course, that's hyperbole and the numbers aren't comparable...

Yet you still used them.

...but it gives a rough idea that it's definitely not just something you could brush off as overhead. I'm pretty sure, a hell lot of money was invested into iPhone/iPad OS.

Let me be slightly more cautious about referencing and in a rather lazy fashion, quote Wikipedia, which is still more reliable, than the source you ever (or never) used:

"In business, overhead, overhead cost or overhead expense refers to an ongoing expense of operating a business (also known as Operating Expenses - rent, gas/electricity, wages etc). The term overhead is usually used to group expenses that are necessary to the continued functioning of the business, but do not directly generate profits."


Well, when the iPhone OS cost a lot of money, then it materialised as a development cost of the iPhone. That’s pretty much paid for until a certain stage, when it supposedly was accounted as part of the expenses that Apple's relevant (iPhone) division incurred. After that stage, the iPad uses an asset and it generates some additional costs. There are programmers, software developers and all sorts of Apple employees maintaining and further developing the OS. Do you know, how much of their time they spend with tasks that are directly related to the iPad; or how they share their time between the iPhone and the iPad? Nope, you don’t, because it’s Apple’s business. Do you know, what sort of accounting techniques they use? Nope. You haven’t got facts, just bitterness, anger, arrogance and disturbing lack of patience.

RELAX!
 
3) USB port - Requiring adapters/dongles?? No thanks, Apple. There should be one USB port on iPad. I would like to plug my digital camera camera directly into the iPad via USB. I also wish to swap files with colleagues via a USB flash drive. A SD Card slot would also be a plus. I'm not interested in having to sync with Mac/PC or use email to swap files, and to also have to deal with dongles.

So lets see...

You want USB slot only huh? Well then that'll cut out the use of all those iPod accessories you have been accumulating over the years.

Other people want a SD slot for transferring photos... well what about those of us with dSLRs that use CF... hmm?

Well I guess Apple could put ALL of them on the side (SD slot, USB, Dock connector), but since this is supposed to be an all-around-the-house type of device, then having all those ports would just be inviting debris to get into the iPad.

I myself think Apple has went the right way. Use the Dock connector (and most of the existing iPod accessories), and come up with some useful adaptors to benefit EVERONE'S individual needs.

I'm hoping Apple (or someone else) comes up with a CF adaptor.

Just my 2¢

tMH
 
Looks like the hangover after the hype.

Here's a study to the hype flow regarding the iPad among Twitter users, analyzing 55 000 tweets (20 000 before announcement, 20 000 on the day of the announcement, 15 000 four days after).

On the day of its presentation, the gadget loving twitter community had a 30% purchase intent.

Only four days later the number dropped to just 5%.

http://www.attensity.com/en/Company/Blog/2010/02/iPad.php
 

A laptop? A portable computer....

I would prefer it if the "iPad" were simply a laptop (as in a true portable computer w. all the capabilities of a true computer) except instead of a portable computer in the shape of a notebook. I would love a portable computer in the body of the iPad w. the touch screen of course.

Thus the thing would actually be useful and desireable to me.

because:

1.)I could use the massive ammount of software that has been desighned for standard computers over the last 20 years.

2.)I could use Hulu or Netflix and all the other websites and functions that the iphone/ipod touch fails to operate.

etc. etc.
 
....Apple conforming to traditional economic laws such as supply and demand?????? Blasphemy!

Best Post EVER! so true

but seriously, i'm hoping everyone just holds off on buying these puppies so the price will drop to something more reasonable for what we're getting (Giant iPod touch with no camera, no flashplayer, and no multitasking)
 
It looks like it will be down to the app developers to come up with that "killer" feature everyone was waiting for. The iPad seems to have potential but there's not enough there yet to make me rush out and buy it.

But that is the point of the product, isn't it? It's a new platform meant to give a new place for all that energy devoted to iPhone development. It's meant to inspire the print media to create a new business model. The hardware is a reshuffling of current specs--sure, but at a price point that will get a lot of buyers, and with an OS that has a huge array of interested developers.
 
But that is the point of the product, isn't it? It's a new platform meant to give a new place for all that energy devoted to iPhone development. It's meant to inspire the print media to create a new business model. The hardware is a reshuffling of current specs--sure, but at a price point that will get a lot of buyers, and with an OS that has a huge array of interested developers.

But why should this be a new platform? Why not simply a new form factor for an old product (the portable computer).

The killer app(s) have already been made why should we have to re-purchase them as iPad specific apps?
 
It's underwhelming because they couldn't even be bothered to revamp core UI elements like Springboard to take advantage of the screen resolution and size.
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choosing to provide a dumbed down product that doesn't try to rock the boat and scare your grandma.

The only thing that's going to kickstart this product and bump it out of niche status is going to be some massive iPad related specific software improvements in OS 4.0.

Unfortunately nothing can be done about the hardware oversights (lack of camera, etc). The defense of Apple leaving off a simple USB port or SD card slot were humorous too. People defended Apple's lack of an SD slot on iMacs for years and now that they've finally gone and done it, of course it makes "perfect sense", because now Steve-O has perfected the SD card apparently.


Too much sizzle and not enough steak.

You should have a look at the native iPad softs in action before calling that a dumbed down device. Granted, the Springboard is kept very plain for the 75 million users of iPhone OS but the softs are very different from the iPhone OS.
Other $499 touchscreen netbooks don't match that build quality, don't have multitouch capacitative displays etc.

Built-in webcams, built-in SD readers etc are interesting add-ons but these are uncritical for many people (and there are adapters).
If you had a road warrior's life you might be willing to carry a computer around that's not a portable desktop computer, doesn't need its own bag and space to unfold it and is 75% lighter. Just to carry your documents, connect to your stuff, make a few modifications during a trip, watch movies and still have half a day of batteries left at the end to log in to 3G and check your mail. On a device that's way more fluid than a netbook running Windows.

Unless you have an unknown device in mind that would be better at it?
 
But why should this be a new platform? Why not simply a new form factor for an old product (the portable computer).

The killer app(s) have already been made why should we have to re-purchase them as iPad specific apps?

Desktop processors and desktop software do not translate that well to small touchscreens and form factors. The user experience would be poor and confusing, that's why a touch-oriented OS is worth it.

you can try it today: load Adobe CS4 on a Windows 10" netbook and have some fun trying to make some sense of all these interface elements squashed together.
 
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