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Yeah this is terrible. I’m in support of what the EU is doing though
Both are authoritarian, pro-censorship, and anti-privacy.
See this s**t for example :
 
Correct. I also don't like it or want it

But corporations don't get to "not comply with the government", as you'd said they would likely do
Yes they do. Their final option is to stop providing their services in that country, which is what I said they should do (other threaten to). More reasonably though, they can simply not comply and see how it goes in court (more importantly, see what happens to public opinion while that plays out)
 
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Would be nice if Apple and Google put out a statement saying if they were asked to do this they'd both pull their products and services out of the country. While the Apple pulling out of the EU over the DMA was always a fantasy that was never going to happen, I could see them pulling out of the UK over this. Maybe not likely, but possible.

I suspect the UK would back down quite quickly if both Apple and Google said "Cheerio" to the country.
 
Yes they do. Their final option is to stop providing their services in that country, which is what I said they should do (other threaten to). More reasonably though, they can simply not comply and see how it goes in court (more importantly, see what happens to public opinion while that plays out)

Sorry, I missed that part -- yes, they could pull out

The broader picture, however, is not favoring citizens rights in much of the developed world these days

It's a bleak picture
 
Would be nice if Apple and Google put out a statement saying if they were asked to do this they'd both pull their products and services out of the country. While the Apple pulling out of the EU over the DMA was always a fantasy that was never going to happen, I could see them pulling out of the UK over this. Maybe not likely, but possible.

I suspect the UK would back down quite quickly if both Apple and Google said "Cheerio" to the country.

This would be good to see...

I'd be more optimistic without already having seen the Tim Cook kowtowing to Trump though
 
Again, crazy conspiracy theories. Everything you read on the internet is not true. Do you people even listen to yourselves?

But we're off topic, and that's my fault for jumping on the initial USAID comment. Despite our belief or disbelief of crazy internet rumors about USAID, we all agree this is a massive overreach that should be stopped! Liberals and Conservatives agree on something! This is a good thing! Hopefully bringing attention to this will stop it. Happy to support those in the UK who might be able to talk sense into their elected representatives in whatever way I can.
When either party is in government, they do the same. For the Trump administration this isn't about principles, and anyone who believes it is is fooling themself. For them, it's just a stick to hit the previous admin. with.
Also : many European countries have similar organisations. What USAID did is normal by western standards.
 
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This would be good to see...

I'd be more optimistic without already having seen the Tim Cook kowtowing to Trump though
While I agree that isn't fun to see - maybe this was part of the reason he did so. As much as I am not a fan of the President, he is the President and has significant influence over things like this, the DMA and other EU overreach, tariffs etc. I don't like it, but it is what it is.
 
While I agree that isn't fun to see - maybe this was part of the reason he did so. As much as I am not a fan of the President, he is the President and has significant influence over things like this, the DMA and other EU overreach, tariffs etc. I don't like it, but it is what it is.

While I get that, I think people are misunderstanding whose interests the power are representing

Trump or Musk or any of these governments are not at all worried about whether citizens have private/secure data

They'd all LOVE to have intelligence agencies combing through all of it for ... ya know .. "security" ;)

I'd love to be very wrong about all of this ... I'm just seeing no evidence that I am, so far
 
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Isn't TalkTV a Rupert Murdoch entity?

Scanning a few of the channels video thumbnails and the headlines, I'd honestly recommend branching out a bit on the news sources

It's the only news source that covered it, that wasn't the commenting I was replying to though, the comment I replied to was implying implied and made it all up. So I provided the proof.
 
As the article points out, what would stop the UK from having access to all iCloud data? And what about tourists just passing through? I’d love to visit the UK again, but I don’t want to have to wipe my phone to do it. This is straight up fascism.
If you're not a journalist or activist, you have little to fear. If you are you should definitely wipe your devices ;-)
 
Sorry, I missed that part -- yes, they could pull out

The broader picture, however, is not favoring citizens rights in much of the developed world these days

It's a bleak picture
Indeed. My fear would be that in the court of public opinion Apple might actually lose, and then they really would have to pull out or comply. It could happen - polls are showing people leaning quite authoritarian. :(

I suppose the important point is what happens in the US, EU, China and India. If all the big economies demand the same thing, than the point comes when Apple *do* have to comply. No point continuing to say no to the FBI if they have to build a back door in anyway to operate in the EU; no point saying no in the UK if they’ve already had to build in a back door for the FBI, etc.
 
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Indeed. My fear would be that in the court of public opinion Apple might actually lose, and then they really would have to pull out or comply. It could happen - polls are showing people leaning quite authoritarian. :(

I suppose the important point is what happens in the US, EU, China and India. If all the big economies demand the same thing, than the point comes when Apple *do* have to comply. No point continuing to say no to the FBI if they have to build a back door in anyway to operate in the EU; no point saying no in the UK if they’ve already had to build in a back door for the FBI, etc.

Yep ... this is the camels nose on data privacy/security

We may look back at this moment for when it all shifted

Apple has been one of the few holding the line on this
 
I suppose the important point is what happens in the US, EU, China and India. If all the big economies demand the same thing, than the point comes when Apple *do* have to comply. No point continuing to say no to the FBI if they have to build a back door in anyway to operate in the EU; no point saying no in the UK if they’ve already had to build in a back door for the FBI, etc.
This is actually why I think there is a possibility they pull out of the UK over this. If Apple actually truly believe what they say about privacy then they almost have to pull out, IMO. Even if they don't truly believe they're going to be exposing themselves as frauds which will be terrible for business.

Not that it will do anything, but I'm going to email Tim Cook and encourage him to pull out of the UK if these allegations are true. Maybe if a lot of users do it'll give him, what's that word, courage.
 
As someone who makes a point of seeking out multiple news sources, I have a slight problem with comments like this one. Something that becomes obvious to me when I look at different news sources is that their ideological slant is often less about the accuracy of an individual story than about what it chooses to play up/report, or bury/not report.

I’m not commenting on this particular story because I have not taken the time to look into it, but it seems to me if it is true, the question becomes, why was it not reported in other “non-Murdoch” outlets? The point is, the comment suggests the other party is only consulting a narrow set of sources with a particular bias. This may or may not be the case.

Actually the story was unheard of, but the mother of the man arrested called his radio show last week and told the story as I believe it only happened last week, and this week they had her on to interview her. That's why it's on Kevin's show.
I have no idea why no one else has reported on it. Guess you would have to ask the mother that question.
 
Not that it will do anything, but I'm going to email Tim Cook and encourage him to pull out of the UK if these allegations are true. Maybe if a lot of users do it'll give him, what's that word, courage.

A busy morning for Tim Cook...

First he has to get started on "using every single Apple product", as he does every day ;) , and then he has to start dealing with this fiasco!
 
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The UK can’t even manage and secure their own country, let alone needing access to Apple’s system for “security” purposes. They left the EU, Apple should up and leave the UK to let them really be on their own even more. I guess losing half of the world, almost literally, still wasn’t enough to humble the UK government’s dominating and controlling ways.
 
If you're not a journalist or activist, you have little to fear. If you are you should definitely wipe your devices ;-)
Disgusting and shortsighted mindset. Congrats on winning the “Fascist of the Day” award.
 
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Europe is moving to a defensive war footing and protection from in country attacks. The border countries especially, watch some footage on what's happening on the Polish border created by Belarus. Let's cut them some slack with the typical hyperbole sitting in safety thousands of miles away. Supporting Ukraine and opposition to Russia has made things very tense.
 
Europe is moving to a defensive war footing and protection from in country attacks. The border countries especially, watch some footage on what's happening on the Polish border created by Belarus. Let's cut them some slack with the typical hyperbole sitting in safety thousands of miles away. Supporting Ukraine and opposition to Russia has made things very tense.
If you believe this is a defensive war you should read Zelensky's election programme and our NGO's reaction to his victory.
 
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