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Apple Ordered to Halt iPhone 6 Sales in Beijing Over Patent Infringement Ruling [Updated]

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The Beijing Intellectual Property Office has ruled that Apple's iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus infringe on the patent rights of another smartphone sold within China -- Shenzhen Baili's 100c device -- leading to the possibility that Apple may have to cease sales of its handset in Beijing completely. Apple is expected to appeal to the Beijing Higher People's Court and the Supreme People's Court in attempts to keep its two handsets in circulation within Beijing.

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However, as Bloomberg points out, if the case turns out badly for Apple, lawsuits that the company face in the future could potentially look back at the Shenzhen Baili ruling as a precedent. Beijing has a population of 21.7 million people, so it could have a larger-than-expected negative impact on a territory that Apple has already struggled with in the past.
Just last month, Apple lost the exclusive rights to the name "iPhone" in China, after a ruling by the Beijing Municipal High People's Court favored leather goods maker Xintong Tiandi Technology. Apple has stayed headstrong in a retail rollout plan of new stores and locations for its Chinese users to visit and purchase its products, but the company still faces unexpected roadblocks in the country due to its strict internet policies.

Update: In a statement given to CNBC, Apple confirmed that both the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus (along with newer models) are "available for sale today in China," and that the company is already going through the appeal process in Beijing.

Article Link: Apple Ordered to Halt iPhone 6 Sales in Beijing Over Patent Infringement Ruling [Updated]
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[doublepost=1466329760][/doublepost]All this crap is politics...and it comes from both end.
Strike them where it hurts tactic...

Same problem China face on other end...If Huawei for example want to sell in USA their network equipment it will be blocked by USA government...due to Cisco with some BS excuses spy and all that BS...So China doing same to USA try to block all possible from USA companies to protect their own local companies.

Now when China market is bigger and bigger in consumer world ofc they will try to block USA company and protect their local brands. Market protection and again stupid political crap...at end consumers get fuc.ed because of limitation of choice due the political crap.
 
Apple should just buy China

Seriously IIRC the reason tech manufacturing went to China in the first place was because China wouldn't export rare earth metals and they have the most of them. The best way for the west to "get back" at China is to not but new 'cause shiny our HW is vastly more powerful than our SW we just don't need new insertnewdevice.
 
jlasoon said:
Umm, hate to break it to you - but we're in no position to negotiate. They hold too much of our debt. Bribe just needs to get bigger.
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Seriously, this has got to end.. Misinformed people throwing around stereotypical and pre-made statements.
70% of US debt is domestic owned, only the rest is held by foreign entities. China owns 1.3 trillion, pretty much like Japan (1.1), while 4 trillion are owned by other foreign entities.

They don't own "too much debt"
 
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sasasule said:
[doublepost=1466329760][/doublepost]All this crap is politics...and it comes from both end.
Strike them where it hurts tactic...

Same problem China face on other end...If Huawei for example want to sell in USA their network equipment it will be blocked by USA government...due to Cisco with some BS excuses spy and all that BS...So China doing same to USA try to block all possible from USA companies to protect their own local companies.

Now when China market is bigger and bigger in consumer world ofc they will try to block USA company and protect their local brands. Market protection and again stupid political crap...at end consumers get fuc.ed because of limitation of choice due the political crap.
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Like I said in a previous post, network equipment is a part of our communications infrastructure and China's. There are legitimate national security concerns letting part of that infrastructure be built by a nation that has a known history of hacking our government computer systems. China has the same concern. Whistleblower Eric Snowden's allegations of US using companies to spy on Chinese telecommunications has had a chilling effect on Cisco's ability to do business there: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...sales-vulnerable-as-media-urge-domestic-shift

That apparently is how this whole mess got started.

We don't, on the other hand, have quite the same barriers to consumer goods, which is why Xiaomi is preparing a major launch here.

Apple values consumer privacy against even our own government's attempts to pry into private citizens' affairs. So they would actually probably make a secure choice for Chinese citizens. Our citizens (at least some forum members here) have therefore voiced concerns that Apple might compromise that commitment to privacy to comply with Chinese government demands for more access to customer phone data.

Apple already courts Asia, designing color choices like gold and rose gold, that are supposedly designed to appeal more to Asian markets than more conservative western tastes that favor blacks and greys. They launched the SE probably more with an eye to capturing Asian markets than customer demand for smaller or cheaper iPhones here. At any rate their strategy appears to be successful:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...in-china-gold-rose-gold-most-popular---report

So western consumers in this thread especially are watching how far Apple will give to appease China as they (Apple) find smackdown after smackdown in their attempts to do business there.

Our current political climate will not favor a positive reaction to Tim Cook kissing too much butt to sell to a market in a country that has long been seen to dominate our country in matters of trade. Is that the truth of the matter, though, or political propaganda? That's something people who want to be informed consumers and voters need to investigate. All I know is that I've found myself consistently surprised when I went to find information to confirm China is being the bad guy here, only to find neither side (the governments) plays a particularly clean game.
 
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merkinmuffley said:
Time for Tim to get on a plane with a sack of money. When I worked in China, anything could be fixed if we threw enough money at it.
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This is exclusively a chinese phenomenon.
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Septembersrain said:
So how about we move our factories back here? That'll be the way to say thank you for all the lovely crap they're pulling.
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So companies will have to pay taxes? The thing is, the chinese factories aren't yours, so there's nothing to bring back.
 
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brdeveloper said:
So companies will have to pay taxes? The thing is, the chinese factories aren't yours, so there's nothing to bring back.
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So it's okay to support lower taxes, keep our debts high, work people in similar fashion as a sweatshop and then have that country basically hate the company? I guess I just don't agree with using their factories or having them at all if they're underhanding the company giving them this business.

Like biting the hand that feeds. May as well have robots build the darn phones in California! It's a huge mess to me.
 
gusping said:
Everything about China makes me sick. Their way of dealing with anything foreign is disgusting, communist scum. They will never topple the might USA (I'm not even American)
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Excuse me. I have 3 adopted children from China. I will be for ever grateful to the chinese people. As a matter of fact, the chinese people are a very warm and friendly, and curious people. How childish of you to make such a blanket statement because your precious iphone is having sales issues in Beijing. Grow up and educate yourself as to why the chinese may have the IP laws they uphold.
 
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Glad you saved 3 Chinese children from communist China. Good on you.

Now go do some research on what happens to IP in China and get a clue about the difference between individual Chinese and the communist criminals that run their government.
 
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Apple stock appears to be effected by this judgement. Someone over there wants to buy up some APPL on the cheap...
 
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mytawalbeh said:
Seriously.. are you comparing that to this case ?!
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Here's a less cherry-picked chart, that shows more of the before-after designs:

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As for the Beijing case, yes, it's regionally biased, like the California Apple v. Samsung case was. (Other countries, with no skin in the game, ruled that there were obvious differences, and that many of Apple's patents were invalid. Perhaps major patent trials should always be held in neutral countries.)

Beijing's claim about the iPhone 6 is that, despite differences such as camera and button shape and placement, a consumer would be fooled by the overall design similarities. Sound familiar? That's the same claim made against Samsung a few years back. And Samsung devices even have a giant SAMSUNG written on them, which alone normally negates such a claim.

Check out these comparison images from China between the Shenzhen Beili 100 and iPhone 6:

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Do you think that they're too similar? Do you think the iPhone design infringes the Chinese one? Now look back at images from the time of the Apple v Samsung trial, when many fanboys claimed that the Galaxy looked "exactly like" the iPhone:

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Do they still look exactly alike to you? If so, then congratulations! You're qualified both to serve on a California jury, and to work as an official Beijing Intellectual Property judge!
 
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Orlandoech said:
Literally everything? I think you meant figuratively.
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I saw the 60 Minutes article on a little wind power company. They got into bed with China. Sales went through the roof. A year later wind turbines in China were all over the country running on the little companies proprietary software. The little company that got big now has vast empty warehouses in the USA. Business dried up because the Chinese stole it all.
 
RickInHouston said:
I saw the 60 Minutes article on a little wind power company. They got into bed with China. Sales went through the roof. A year later wind turbines in China were all over the country running on the little companies proprietary software. The little company that got big now has vast empty warehouses in the USA. Business dried up because the Chinese stole it all.
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Ironically, that Chinese turbine company is hugely in debt, partly because other Chinese companies stole from them:

When other Chinese companies jumped in with their own turbine copies, overall prices fell. That meant the fixed cost of the American software now rose to almost 1/5th of the price of a turbine. So the Chinese company used money and women to bribe one of the American company's engineers into giving them the source code... and stopped paying royalties to the American company.

Now few other countries will buy their turbines because they know the software is stolen and unofficial, with no real support.

Basically, it's seen as an example of a Chinese company cutting its own throat. Everyone loses in the end.
 
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