No he wouldnt. It would be all talk and bluster. A bit like Trump.
Apple products would continue to be assembled in China.
While still in rage, he would probably sack a few employees in the elevator!
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Apple Ordered to Halt iPhone 6 Sales in Beijing Over Patent Infringement Ruling [Updated]
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No he wouldnt. It would be all talk and bluster. A bit like Trump.
Apple products would continue to be assembled in China.
While still in rage, he would probably sack a few employees in the elevator!
Interesting. So far you're the only person posting in this thread who claims to be from the country we all are ranting about. I was hoping someone here who is knowledgeable about international business would comment on your post, but it seems to have gone overlooked. Perhaps because this forum tends to skim past posts by new members for awhile.
This would be an interesting way for China to retaliate against US protectionism. A lot of Americans are keenly aware of the protectionist practices of other countries, because we are a huge consumer market for goods made abroad, especially from China. There doesn't seem to be strong barriers to entry for direct consumer goods such as cell phones.
I was able to easily find international unlocked versions of HuaWei phones on sale through Amazon's site.
I found this article http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2016/06/huawei-heralds-unprecedented-shipments-new-p9-smartphone
about HuaWei's plans to overtake Apple and Samsung in markets outside of China, but did not read mention of artificial barriers to entry in the US market. In our cellphone markets, getting agreements with major carriers like AT&T is key. Samsung, a Korean company, sells extremely well here, so I seriously questioned the claim our government is engaging in protectionist policies against Huwei, given that Xiaomi has carrier agreements and is set to launch in the US soon. http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/20...us-roll-out-next-year?cmpid=horizontalcontent
So currently I am researching your claim that the US has been engaging in protectionist policies against Huawei in producing telecommunications facilities. A lot of articles come up in my web search but I haven't gotten to read them yet. Except for this opinion piece that does confirm your claim:
http://www.realclearmarkets.com/art...ies_and_obnoxious_us_protectionism_99938.html
My initial reaction to that opinion piece is to protect the position our lawmakers have taken, in part because our markets for components and finished goods and direct-to-consumer goods has remained very open, despite devastating effects to our own manufacturing jobs. And our country has been fending off cyber attacks and espionage from your country's government for years, which makes telecommunications facilities a legitimate national security concern. But I would need to do more reading on this subject to form a fully informed opinion.
Welcome to the forum and thank you for providing another way to examine this issue. I hope to see more posts from you in the future.
Edit to add another informative article about US protectionist policies impacting our trade relations with China. It also appears to support your claim. http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/american-protectionism-threatens-us-china-trade/
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Ahem, you forgot post 2005 kinda convenient isn't it?What country ? You mean the United Slaves ? The one bombing here and there under the coca cola banner ?
Do you know about below ?
The fact that 2005 was the lowest in production kinda proves you've got a point to push that belies actual
data. The peek production, before the very recent decline because of low oil price was just below the early 1970s peek.
Before reading the story, I have a bad feeling that 2017 is a year everyone will meet their drastic change. Around the corner. This includes Apple, and China.
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They just do it for sort of "show". Hmm. I know little about China. But I can sense Apple iPhone 6ss release will be again a bumpy road in China, if not the end of trip.
Good luck with those Chinese people.
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And it seems that Chinese government, uh, no, some high tier, uh, no, top tier officers know much about the global economy than one leader knows.
They just do it for sort of "show". Hmm. I know little about China. But I can sense Apple iPhone 6ss release will be again a bumpy road in China, if not the end of trip.
Good luck with those Chinese people.
[doublepost=1466216863][/doublepost]This is disgusting of Apple. They are both ripping off the design of this phone that came out several years ago!!!
The Beijing Intellectual Property Office has ruled that Apple's iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus infringe on the patent rights of another smartphone sold within China -- Shenzhen Baili's 100c device -- leading to the possibility that Apple may have to cease sales of its handset in Beijing completely. Apple is expected to appeal to the Beijing Higher People's Court and the Supreme People's Court in attempts to keep its two handsets in circulation within Beijing.
However, as Bloomberg points out, if the case turns out badly for Apple, lawsuits that the company face in the future could potentially look back at the Shenzhen Baili ruling as a precedent. Beijing has a population of 21.7 million people, so it could have a larger-than-expected negative impact on a territory that Apple has already struggled with in the past.
Just last month, Apple lost the exclusive rights to the name "iPhone" in China, after a ruling by the Beijing Municipal High People's Court favored leather goods maker Xintong Tiandi Technology. Apple has stayed headstrong in a retail rollout plan of new stores and locations for its Chinese users to visit and purchase its products, but the company still faces unexpected roadblocks in the country due to its strict internet policies.
Update: In a statement given to CNBC, Apple confirmed that both the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus (along with newer models) are "available for sale today in China," and that the company is already going through the appeal process in Beijing.
Article Link: Apple Ordered to Halt iPhone 6 Sales in Beijing Over Patent Infringement Ruling [Updated]
The main focus is not easy money. Instead, it's just another form of protectionism to keep competition (i.e. foreign companies) out.
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What would that accomplish ? China values it's growing consumer economy over its manufacturing. It's all about keeping foreign competition away from its markets. Moving production back to the US will not help Apple sell more phones in China.
From what I've been reading, it seems they are doing this to Apple to punish our government for putting barriers up to companies like Huawei in entering into competition with US firms in the business of providing telecommunications facilities. I'm not well versed in this area, having been out of the that industry for 20 years and being involved peripherally for only 2 years. But the US government cites security concerns. Are these concerns legitimate? I would think so, but so far pundits seem to say it's a smokescreen.
At any rate it looks like some nasty games are being played, possibly by both governments and Apple is getting caught in the crossfire. So you may be right that they are in for a very bumpy ride with the next release where China is concerned.
As lucrative as the Chinese market might seem, given their huge population, I don't understand why Apple is neglecting more accessible markets that are currently underserved in Europe and other regions.
Wow you have found many references! Actually, Huawei's most money making business is neither smartphone nor tablet, but those big telecommunication facilities which are mainly dedicated to company users like AT&T, Verizon, and also government. So in my previous post I main Huawei's big telecommunication facilities are suffering unequal competition conditions in U.S.. Here I could find some reports from chinese media if you are interseted, sorry for not in English but you could use Google Translate haha.
English Government responses to public's doubts for Huawei's potential safety problem by considering Huawei as "a good model of cooperation between enterprises and government": http://www.d1net.com/data/vendor/247838.html
U.S. Government refused to explain why Huawei cannot participate in the competition of being suppliers to U.S. Government:
http://tech.163.com/11/1014/18/7GBJ03HT000915BE.html
Thank you very much for replying me. I cannot type more because I am suffering from college final exams and I have to go back to my revision now.
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Oh U.S. Government has already done the same to other Chinses companies dude
This was my thought as well. Any chance we can get the details on the actual case and not just the headline?
The Apple, under the lead of Tim Cook, seems entering a stage which is about to increase its market share while keeping huge profit margin. This was what Steve didn't do. I cannot judge whether Apple's move is right or not. But given US and China relationship is always intensive, Apple would need to pay quite a bit in order to allow their next generation, lacklustre iPhone, iPad, Mac to be sold in this huge market, which is also a market with the most uncertainties.
However, as most Western media reports, Chinese reports are mostly biased, and their words must follow the will of ruling Communist Party. So I don't think those are correct. However, no one can guarantee United States media reports facts unbiased most of the time, either.
"Government is our greatest enemy now", this seems to be a real truth. The entire world is just being played by those powerful world leaders while all of us conventional citizens can only witness.
The Beijing Intellectual Property Office has ruled that Apple's iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus infringe on the patent rights of another smartphone sold within China -- Shenzhen Baili's 100c device -- leading to the possibility that Apple may have to cease sales of its handset in Beijing completely. Apple is expected to appeal to the Beijing Higher People's Court and the Supreme People's Court in attempts to keep its two handsets in circulation within Beijing.
However, as Bloomberg points out, if the case turns out badly for Apple, lawsuits that the company face in the future could potentially look back at the Shenzhen Baili ruling as a precedent. Beijing has a population of 21.7 million people, so it could have a larger-than-expected negative impact on a territory that Apple has already struggled with in the past.
Just last month, Apple lost the exclusive rights to the name "iPhone" in China, after a ruling by the Beijing Municipal High People's Court favored leather goods maker Xintong Tiandi Technology. Apple has stayed headstrong in a retail rollout plan of new stores and locations for its Chinese users to visit and purchase its products, but the company still faces unexpected roadblocks in the country due to its strict internet policies.
Update: In a statement given to CNBC, Apple confirmed that both the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus (along with newer models) are "available for sale today in China," and that the company is already going through the appeal process in Beijing.
Article Link: Apple Ordered to Halt iPhone 6 Sales in Beijing Over Patent Infringement Ruling [Updated]
I'm pretty sure those Chinese smart phones has a spy module on them. So, I never bought one.
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Diversification of the supply chain would help lower the risks. China, India, Brazil, Vietnam and other 3rd world(developing country) could work. Heck even Ireland would work since that country pretty much bends over to Apple.
No. cos why would Apple abandon their biggest market ?
If so, expect the phone market with Apple to plummet down-hill.
To me it looks like the Chinese company is suing as a smokescreen in an attempt to cover up the fact that they've ripped off the earlier iPhone5C design that entered the market before their obvious Apple copy. The Chinese are not 'bothered' by a Judeo-Christian ethic and instead run with a quirky oriento-fukyou philosophy -- similar to the Koreans -- that essentially says "your good ideas can also be my good ideas" and "all's fair in the marketplace".
Just wait until the Chinese cars come into the US and they are total knockoffs of cars you see made by European and American manufactures......they will say...."knock off? we do not see it"
All I can find so far is that it's about the external design.
The Chinese phone maker filed for a design patent in January 2014. The iPhone 6 didn't come out until nine months later. So the Chinese design predates the Apple one.
The weird thing is that the decision only applies to the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, not the later similar 6S models.
There's a huge difference between using similar desirable features such as flat front and shiny bezel, and actually attempting to be difficult to tell apart. Clones do that. Samsung did not.
IMO, anyone who thinks the Samsung phones... with their totally different sizes, home screens, buttons and giant Samsung label... looked just like an iPhone, has no choice but to believe the iPhone 6 looks just like this Chinese phone.
The Huawei idea sounded good to me until I realized this was just a Beijing decision, and also found out that the Chinese company Shenzhen Baili said it hoped to resolve the patent dispute out of court. They said to Apple:
“We believe that a communication with goodwill would contribute to solving potential legal disputes, achieving benign competition and providing better products to customers.”
"Communication with goodwill" could mean a payoff, like with the iPad trademark case.
So now it sounds more like a simple give-me-some-cash scheme with the help of official friends in Beijing, instead of a national government effort, like I also thought at first.
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Good research as always, @kdarling. After being on this forum a couple of years, I've learned not to get worked up about any of the news until more information comes to light and I understand exactly what there is to get worked up about.
Sounds like doing business with China is a lot like doing a deal with the devil for Apple right now. I hope Apple has run the numbers and decided they can take in more from opening up the Chinese market than they'll be bled out in these schemes that amount to extortion.
It's time for Apple to begin to hint to China that they will move their factories and jobs to another country. China is desperate to prop up it's economy and companies need to take advantage of that.
I think I found the ruling... in Chinese. Can anyone translate, please?
http://www.bjipo.gov.cn/zlzf/zfjggg/201605/P020160609372965002381.pdf
As far as I can tell from Beijing news sites, the ruling held that, even though the phones had appearance differences like the placement of the buttons and ports, the consumer could easily overlook those and still be fooled by the "substantial" similarities.
I used translate.google.com to translate the pdf, but most of it is cruddy. Still, I was able to get the following patent numbers, if anyone knows how to find them on the Beijing IP site:
ZL200780003284.8
ZL200630147132.3
ZL200630181708.8
ZL02802949.6
ZL201430009113.9
I _think_ the last one (2014) is the one that is key.
Later edit: Aha! Apparently this is the design patent (under a national number):
http://www.bjipo.gov.cn/zlzf/zfjggg/201605/P020160609372965002381.pdf
As far as I can tell from Beijing news sites, the ruling held that, even though the phones had appearance differences like the placement of the buttons and ports, the consumer could easily overlook those and still be fooled by the "substantial" similarities.
I used translate.google.com to translate the pdf, but most of it is cruddy. Still, I was able to get the following patent numbers, if anyone knows how to find them on the Beijing IP site:
ZL200780003284.8
ZL200630147132.3
ZL200630181708.8
ZL02802949.6
ZL201430009113.9
I _think_ the last one (2014) is the one that is key.
Later edit: Aha! Apparently this is the design patent (under a national number):
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Many of those Chinese companies as seen as plainly subsidized/dumping and IP stealing into the US and other markets DUDE. Got many people working at Alcatel/Nokia/Lucent/Nortel who all say the same (yeah, this massive consolidation is obviously from "fair" competition all over the world in this field)
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Considering that security concerns from Chinese gov cozying to closely with a company selling backbone switches are far from being unwaranted. Unlike the phone, if those things are compromised, your losing a lot more and it would be very hard to determine that it has been the case.
Except they give zero f**ks about all that. They know they're not the brains of the world. Most new ideas/patents don't even remotely come from China. All they have is excess workforce and manufacturing capacity that they know the west needs and will continue to use increasingly. Their current/only goal is to employ as many as possible, to bring more people out of poverty so that they continue to support the regime.
So, it is entirely up to the west to put them in their place by taking parts of their business elsewhere, if they at all value their IP. Because, once China fills their job sector, educates the masses, and starts shifting to innovation as the driving force of their economy, they will be infinitely more blatant and aggressive with their pursuit of foreign IP.
It's been about 28 years since I made a study of the subject of public utilities at my state university, but from what I recall, all of our forms of communication were heavily regulated as public utilities because they were key parts of our infrastructure. As such, they were crucial elements of our national security, as were all public utilities.
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 drastically changed the face of telecommunications in the US by deregulating the industry, opening up markets that previously has been serviced by local monopolies to competition. And it freed these companies to offer services they previously were prevented from offering, like high speed internet access and cellular phone service.
(I really should know more about the subject because my father worked in telecommunications for his entire civilian career and I worked in it for two years. But it was over 20 years ago for both of us. So my grasp of facts is more vague than I would like).
My point is, even today, our communications infrastructure is still seen as a crucial part of national security, despite the incredible changes deregulation has wrought. So it's not fear of competition from Huawei that may be keeping our government from locking Huawei out, but fear of espionage and sabotage due to long term repeat hacking by China (and other countries with whom we do not have as extensive trade as we do with China). http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/01/w...to-retaliate-against-chinas-hacking.html?_r=0
Our markets have been open and receptive to China's consumer goods for most of my adult life. In fact we've been so open and receptive that we've lost a lot of manufacturing jobs because it's cheaper to buy things from China than it is to make them here.
But we would be very unwise to unreservedly open our telecommunications infrastructure to competition from China in light of the tensions that currently exist between our two governments in military and national security matters.
There is a feeling of friendship between our general populations. When I was in college I knew many fellow students who came over from China to study at our university. I was an assistant to a Chinese graduate student who worked at our university Botany lab and I worked for the professor who was in charge of the lab and who was also from China. Friendship between Chinese and American people has come fairly easily for decades. But matters between our governments are far from settled.