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It wasn't 20 guns.
It was a smaller number and in Ca. there is a one in thirty day limit on firearm purchases.
If you have a group of people that aren't flagged, each one could buy a gun.
These guns bought by a former roommate were purchased a while ago.
Large amount of ammo? What's large?
I buy 300 rounds at a time and I might have 600-1000 rounds in my gun safe.
If I go to the range I can go through 200-300 rounds in target practice.



Let's not do nothing, but lets not go nuts either.
Shall we ban cars when someone runs into a crowded sidewalk?
In a free society a nutcase can kill people if they want to and there is nothing you can do.
They could steal a semi and go plowing down the freeway or a crowded pedestrian area.
What law do you pass then?



First and foremost to buy a fully automatic weapon legally is no easy task.
The ATF wants to have a talk with you. Extra background check, extra money, etc.
There have been no legal automatic weapons involved in any mass homicide.
let's also dispel the notion that you are likely to be killed by someone with a semiautomatic rifle, or any rifle for that matter. From the last available FBI statistics, you are more likely to be beat to death or stabbed than shot with ANY type of long gun.

SCOTUS has already settled the argument.
The right to bear a firearm is an individual right.
Guns available for purchase legally fall into what is in common use and that is both semi-automatic pistols and rifles.
They have been around in common use for more than 100 years. The 1911 .45 Cal is a prime example.


So why don't we limit free speech like you want to limit the second amendment?
If all amendments are equal, then why is everyone trying to make the 2A second class.
The framer of the constitution didn't know about the internet so why not require a permit for that dangerous and anonymous speech?
They did know about semi-automatic weapons. They existed just not in a form that was small enough to carry.

There is also no such thing as a "high capacity clip". It's a magazine and what is high capacity?


There are numerous instances where armed citizens stop a crime or prevent one.
But terrorists like most criminals go after soft targets where they are less likely to meet with resistance, so your presumed argument can be labeled as specious.


You assume, I and others trust the government. I don't. They can't be trusted.
"Power corrupts. Absolute power, absolutely corrupts."
I don't willingly give my data to anyone. I only give my "real" data where legally required.
I don't do Facebook, Twitter, etc. If you don't know the product, you ARE the product.


See the Battle of Athens in 1946
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm


I don't care how long semi auto weapons have been available, there is now a reason to ban them. They were invented for one reason, to kill more people, more rapidly. My point remains begin eliminating civilian ownership and use of mass killing style weapons. You can still own a gun, jus be a single shot.

I consider having close to a billion iPhone users worldwide giving up their right to privacy is going nuts.

Well as usual, gun nuts will be condescending because I used the word clip instead of magazine. ( see I can be condescending as well) When I was in law enforcement the term clip and magazine were used interchangeably. And for my purposes more than one round at a time is excessive for civilian use..

As for banning cars, no that's currently not practical, but since you raised the subject doing something more to reduce the 40,000 deaths a year from vehicular accidents seems to be a bit more worthwhile than the money, time and effort spent to reduce the 15 terrorist deaths.

For some unknown reason, we respond with complete disregard to proportion of actual and potential damage done. 3000 people killed 911, mostly by Saudis. So we spend over two TRILLIAN DOLLARS, wage a ten year war against a country that had nothing to do with it. Killing and wounding 10s of thousands of US citizens, not to speak of million Iraqis. Destabilize the entire region, help create Isis. We sure do get the bang for the buck don't we.

As for armed citizens stopping crimes. This is quite rare, and will usually bring charges or actions against them. Had a guy with ccw stop two women fighting at GM tech center. He may have saved life of woman being knifed. Course he lost his job because GM has strict policy of no guns on GM property.

If anyone the police are better prepared, trained and ready to defend themselves against attack. Yet more cops are killed each year than save themselves when an unannounced attack occurs. It defies imagination that a gun carrying civilian, caught unawares, would for some reason perform better than trained officers.

I never assumed you trust the government. We all have reasons not to, based on being lied to over the years by our government. The only real defense against this is a truelly free independent press, with investigative reporters. Not owned by a few rich men that promote their own agendas claiming it to be news.

Finally, I stand by my statement that no armed civilian group will withstand a governmental attack. Your 1946 gun fight, while interesting altered nothing. Bunch of guys got to shoot at each other, show how tough they are, but in the end here is what happened.


The new government encountered challenges including at least eleven resignations of county administrators.[citation needed] On January 4, 1947, four of the five leaders of the GI Non-Partisan League declared in an open letter: "We abolished one machine only to replace it with another and more powerful one in the making."[10] The League failed to establish itself permanently and traditional political parties soon returned to power.[7]

Now that we are done with the gun issues, my whole point which has been made, is that for some people, their pet amendments mean everything, while other amendments, and people's inherent right to privacy seem to be secondary. Too bad there isn't an organization like the NRA that will lobby and spend money to promote privacy rights as strongly as owning guns. And this organization would represent world wide right to privacy, not just one country.
 
This is tough for me. On one hand I want my device to be secure. One the other hand I want to stop terrorists etc.

The problem is that this isn't about stopping terrorists, this is about trying to get (probably useless by now) information from a terrorist thats already committed a terrorist act.
 
I do find it interesting that the phone in question was in a car that was not the one they were driving during the chase apparently, but instead was parked outside the residence (page 4 of the DOJ Motion to Compel). If that's not the car they were driving have to wonder whether any relevant info about their path that day would even be on that phone.
 
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...you really think the NSA doesn't already have such teams?

The NSA wouldn't necessarily assist the FBI. Even in the Post-9/11 world the NSA may decide it is more important to protect their methods than share them with another branch of the government
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The privacy of our intellectual data will be my top priority when it comes to voting in the next election.

Good luck with that. None of the candidates support privacy of personal data.
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I don't care how long semi auto weapons have been available, there is now a reason to ban them. They were invented for one reason, to kill more people, more rapidly. My point remains begin eliminating civilian ownership and use of mass killing style weapons. You can still own a gun, jus be a single shot.

I consider having close to a billion iPhone users worldwide giving up their right to privacy is going nuts.

Well as usual, gun nuts will be condescending because I used the word clip instead of magazine. ( see I can be condescending as well) When I was in law enforcement the term clip and magazine were used interchangeably. And for my purposes more than one round at a time is excessive for civilian use..

As for banning cars, no that's currently not practical, but since you raised the subject doing something more to reduce the 40,000 deaths a year from vehicular accidents seems to be a bit more worthwhile than the money, time and effort spent to reduce the 15 terrorist deaths.

For some unknown reason, we respond with complete disregard to proportion of actual and potential damage done. 3000 people killed 911, mostly by Saudis. So we spend over two TRILLIAN DOLLARS, wage a ten year war against a country that had nothing to do with it. Killing and wounding 10s of thousands of US citizens, not to speak of million Iraqis. Destabilize the entire region, help create Isis. We sure do get the bang for the buck don't we.

As for armed citizens stopping crimes. This is quite rare, and will usually bring charges or actions against them. Had a guy with ccw stop two women fighting at GM tech center. He may have saved life of woman being knifed. Course he lost his job because GM has strict policy of no guns on GM property.

If anyone the police are better prepared, trained and ready to defend themselves against attack. Yet more cops are killed each year than save themselves when an unannounced attack occurs. It defies imagination that a gun carrying civilian, caught unawares, would for some reason perform better than trained officers.

I never assumed you trust the government. We all have reasons not to, based on being lied to over the years by our government. The only real defense against this is a truelly free independent press, with investigative reporters. Not owned by a few rich men that promote their own agendas claiming it to be news.

Finally, I stand by my statement that no armed civilian group will withstand a governmental attack. Your 1946 gun fight, while interesting altered nothing. Bunch of guys got to shoot at each other, show how tough they are, but in the end here is what happened.


The new government encountered challenges including at least eleven resignations of county administrators.[citation needed] On January 4, 1947, four of the five leaders of the GI Non-Partisan League declared in an open letter: "We abolished one machine only to replace it with another and more powerful one in the making."[10] The League failed to establish itself permanently and traditional political parties soon returned to power.[7]

Now that we are done with the gun issues, my whole point which has been made, is that for some people, their pet amendments mean everything, while other amendments, and people's inherent right to privacy seem to be secondary. Too bad there isn't an organization like the NRA that will lobby and spend money to promote privacy rights as strongly as owning guns. And this organization would represent world wide right to privacy, not just one country.

The EFF and ACLU are the NRAs of digital privacy. It's just that arguing digital privacy is a lot more difficult than arguing that I have a right to my boom stick.
 
Former FBI General Counsel Jim Baker Chooses Encryption Over Backdoors

"In an extraordinary essay, the former FBI general counsel Jim Baker makes the case for strong encryption over government-mandated backdoors:
In the face of congressional inaction, and in light of the magnitude of the threat, it is time for governmental authorities -- including law enforcement -- to embrace encryption because it is one of the few mechanisms that the United States and its allies can use to more effectively protect themselves from existential cybersecurity threats, particularly from China. This is true even though encryption will impose costs on society, especially victims of other types of crime....
I am unaware of a technical solution that will effectively and simultaneously reconcile all of the societal interests at stake in the encryption debate, such as public safety, cybersecurity and privacy as well as simultaneously fostering innovation and the economic competitiveness of American companies in a global marketplace....
All public safety officials should think of protecting the cybersecurity of the United States as an essential part of their core mission to protect the American people and uphold the Constitution. And they should be doing so even if there will be real and painful costs associated with such a cybersecurity-forward orientation. The stakes are too high and our current cybersecurity situation too grave to adopt a different approach.
Basically, he argues that the security value of strong encryption greatly outweighs the security value of encryption that can be bypassed. He endorses a "defense dominant" strategy for Internet security.
Keep in mind that Baker led the FBI's legal case against Apple regarding the San Bernardino shooter's encrypted iPhone."
 
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