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Apple Ordered to Pay VirnetX Another $502.8 Million for Patent Infringement
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VirnetX was founded in 2007...Skype was founded in 2005...VirnetX won a patent lawsuit against Microsoft for using Skype $23M...basically VirnetX's "technology" is read like this...A device and method for establishing a connection between devices is disclosed. A first device receives a request to connect to a second network device and, based on the request, a determination is made as to whether the first device is set to a first communication mode or a second communication mode. If the first device is set to the first communication mode then a first name associated with the second device is sent to a first name service, the first name service supporting establishing an encrypted connection to the second device, a resource for the encrypted connection to the second device is received at the first device, and communication with the second device is established over the network via the encrypted connection using the received resource. If the first device is set to the second communication mode then communication with the second device is established via a second connection.
I also love how if you visit virnetx.com and scroll to the bottom, the sell their VPN software on Apple's App Stores and Google as well. Without Apple or other developers being able to use VPN, they would have nowhere to even sell their product...double dipping like a mother trucker.
I also love how if you visit virnetx.com and scroll to the bottom, the sell their VPN software on Apple's App Stores and Google as well. Without Apple or other developers being able to use VPN, they would have nowhere to even sell their product...double dipping like a mother trucker.
Your choice of words is odd.
VirnetX doesn’t really have or doesn’t have. Be specific, which is it?
Also what if I have patents that I hold but have no intention of using. That make me a patent troll too?
By that same logic you can not patent whatever you like with no intention of turning it into a usable product/service and then wait for someone to come up with the same idea as you and then demand you pay them unlimited amounts of money.
Apple should not have done what they did but Virnetx should not have either and should work for a living like the rest of us have to.
And Virnetx should work for a living and not try to steal other company's money with patent trolling.
Fair point, I didn't make the point that the patent system exists to record the 'owner' of the idea and allows for that idea to be traded in the same way a car or book is. Clearly a downside of that may be a company exists just to make money from other people's ideas, but provided the inventor is paid for their original idea and they allow a company like VirnetX to buy it, then the system is still working and Apple are still liable.
No, that is not what is being discussed. Virnextx can not get away with patent trolling and not working for a living, instead wanting to leech of other people's work.
patenting thing with zero intention of developing is tantamount to extortion so IS a crime.
Apple are guilty, so what do you want, a ticker tape parade? However Virnetx are guilty as well and so many Apple haters turn a blind eye no matter how much these patent trolls abuse the system.
Easy, can do since IOS6, try learning more and trolling less.
So would Virnetx, so your point is useless then.and Apple would just pass the cost right onto you.
That is a gross and incorrect oversimplification of the various Apple v. Samsung cases.
In any case, lawsuits are used as a mechanism to protect IP. Whether or not the suit is successful is often not important. The legal process is important.
Seeing as Virnetx are patent trolls and do not use their IP in any product that makes the offer from Apple MORE than enough. They should stop being greedy and accept it.
Apple haters are the worst because Apple can do no right, give me a break.
Since when is stealing IP from another company and profiting from it OK?
They run a yearly loss of about $20 - 30 million (https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/vhc/financials). In 2019 they had $85,000 in revenue, which was down from their $1.5 million in 2015.
All evidence suggests they are a patent troll (they also might be a business that exists to generate consistent losses to reduce tax burdens).
these guys are operating within the law, that's their right. No argument that the law should be modified but until that point ... Apple violated a patent period.
this case went to the Supreme Court, read below:
U.S. Supreme Court rejects Apple appeal in patent fight with VirnetX
The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday refused to hear Apple Inc's bid to avoid paying about $440 million in damages for using patent licensing firm VirnetX Inc's internet security technology without permission in features such as FaceTime video calling.www.reuters.com
And today, even Apple files patents on things that they are not planning to take into production, you find examples in the news stories even on this site, and many many other companies do the same ... one of Qualcomm's larger biz model is to own patents and claim royalties, remember that there was a battle between Qualcomm and Apple?
Different tis that Apple tends to use most of the stuff they patent whereas Virnetx and others like them Never use a dam thing!
Except that Virnetx now own ALL the rights to the patent and not any previous owners. Virnetx keep all the money and nt a single cent goes anywhere else to any previous owners. That is reality and how it works.
Not necessarily but if all you do with them is sue companies with the hope that it will pay off then that is exactly the definition of a patent troll: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/patent-troll.asp
"While the practice of patent trolling is not illegal, a company that acts as a patent troll files patent claims without any intention of ever developing a product or service. The end result is bad faith infringement threats and licensing demands that require companies to spend a significant amount of money to settle these claims without any addition to the public good."
No, the reason Virnetx hold patents like this eis to patent troll because they do not wish to work for a living like the rest of us. Too bad Apple haters can not see that or are all the negative Apple posts here from Virnetx employees?
Have to LOL at the comments supporting VirnetX, VirnetX was created by a group of people from the NSA - and this patent specifically was designed to block peer to peer messaging, forcing information to go through a server, which is much more to the NSA's liking. Apple offered to pay license fees at the time and VirnetX said no.
There are several companies like this and was presumably a strategy by the NSA to keep methods that are hard to spy / hack through off the market. This continues with patent creation to this day.
There are several companies like this and was presumably a strategy by the NSA to keep methods that are hard to spy / hack through off the market. This continues with patent creation to this day.
What is it exactly that makes you think VirnetX patented something with no intention of turning it into a usable product or service? So that I'm clear, I'm asking about what you're using as a basis for your opinion.
Not how it works. When a musician agrees that their work can be streamed through a service such as Apple Music they no longer have ANY say on the distribution side of things which includes free trial periods.
It is the same with music labels and is the reason why Prince got so mad with us record label because he had little to no rights( in his mind) so he ended up finding a way out of it and hence the change of name.