Apple Ordered to Stop Selling iPhones Without Charger in Brazil [Updated]

[I7guy]

No one ever said Tim was required to fly.

What should he do take a bus?

The original criticism -which you have repeatedly shown to have misinterpreted- was that whenever he wants to or needs to travel by plane he must use a private plane, just as stated in your quote, and that certainly doesn’t help the environment.

Correct turning on a light bulb doesn’t help
The environment or dumping petrol down the sewer. Not reusing or recycling doesn’t help either. Building an EV is a disaster on the environment.

And I agree with that criticism. As for the argument on security and efficiency, that’s pure BS.

Not to be argumentative but you’re welcome to your opinion. Apple seemingly doesn’t share it.

If the president of a country can fly commercial (Lopez Obrador of Mexico), then certainly so can the CEO of any company.

Strawman.

Flying private is a luxury and I don’t buy the Apple board’s reasons to make it a requirement.

It doesn’t matter whether you do or not.
Tim Cook used the private jet. All of the criticism is not going to change it.

 

[lartola]

Didn’t realize air transportation or mass transit stopped.

If they didn’t stop, at least they were very heavily limited because of the covid restrictions. They certainly weren’t operating normally or at full capacity.

 

[lartola]

Correct turning on a light bulb doesn’t help
The environment or dumping petrol down the sewer. Not reusing or recycling doesn’t help either. Building an EV is a disaster on the environment.

Nor does it help the environment to sell every year billions of devices with low repairability and planned obsolescence. But to you everything Apple does will be ok. They could raise the price of the iphone 10 times tomorrow and you’d be ok with it and calling out even the slightest criticism to Apple in these forums. As I said before, they must be paying you well for that blind defense.

 

[I7guy]

Nor does it help the environment to sell every year billions of devices with low repairability and planned obsolescence.

So are.you suggesting manufacturing should stop? Let’s not make plastics, consumer goods, cars, toilet paper, etc. That will go well for society.

But to you everything Apple does will be ok.

Everything? Is everything every other company on the face of the earth ok with you?

They could raise the price of the iphone 10 times tomorrow and you’d be ok with it

Their sales may plummet and I may go android. But that is consumerism.

and calling out even the slightest criticism to Apple in these forums.

The slightest criticism. When you don’t understand why Tim Cook or POTUS, for example doesn’t fly public how genuine of a conversation can be had?

As I said before, they must be paying you well for that blind defense.

That’s the answer, some couched insult?

 

[I7guy]

If they didn’t stop, at least they were very heavily limited because of the covid restrictions. They certainly weren’t operating normally or at full capacity.

Regardless, Tim Cook was ordered by the board to travel by private jet. That is a perk to Tim, who may or may not endorse it. Additionally the expenses weren’t broken down by business vs personal.

 

[sunman42]

Some do. I have them from all the iPhones before they stopped. But there will always be first timers who will need one. I think what made it worse is they cable is now USB-C. Near everyone should have some sort of USB-A port on something, but C isn't as common.

Every Apple device that supports USB and was introduced since 2015 — seven years ago! — has had a USB-C port. Some Apple devices introduced in that time support USB-A as well, but far from all of them. Very few of them in the last few years, in fact.

I’m still using a 2020 Intel iMac 27 5K, so I have both…. and thus still have something to plug my Tardis USB-A hub into. But nothing else.

 

[sunman42]

Why would you say that?

Because one insists on the inclusion of a charger with every iPhone, and the other legislates that all mobile phones must have USB-C ports for charging, in order to reduce the use of plastics and electronics for environmental reasons by not needing a new charger with every phone.

I’m guessing that the EU market is so much larger for Apple than the Brazilian one that the fruit company may just stiff Brazil.

Why would you say that?

because Brazil wants to insist that Apple include a charger with every iPhone it sells there, while the EU is legislating that all cell phones sold there have to have USB-C charging ports, so cell phone buyers won’t have to buy a new charger every time they get a new mobile phone.

Given the relative sizes of the markets, Apple may just decide to stiff Brazil, forcing people there who want iPhones there to buy the in third countries — as they had to in ~ 2006 - 2013, when a competing trademark in Brazil resulted nApple being prohibited from selling iPhones there.

 

[lartola]

So are.you suggesting manufacturing should stop? Let’s not make plastics, consumer goods, cars, toilet paper, etc. That will go well for society.

No. Only that they not release new products every year, maybe every 2-3 years instead (they used to with the macs, so it is possible and feasible). And that they make the devices more repairable and upgradable: the less repairable and upgradable a device is and the sooner it becomes obsolete, the sooner people will throw it away and that generates more waste. It may be excellent for business, that’s how Apple became a trillion dollar company and Steve and Tim rich millionaires, but it’s the worst for the environment.

 

[I7guy]

No. Only that they not release new products every year, maybe every 2-3 years instead (they used to with the macs, so it is possible and feasible).

Apple and other manufacturing concerns will still manufacture products, how will that affect the environment. People will still upgrade their phones from older models. Older models will get handed down or recycled as in today's yearly cycle. What is the difference?

And that they make the devices more repairable and upgradable:

And less sleek and more prone to breakage. This doesn't apply only to Apple.

the less repairable and upgradable a device is and the sooner it becomes obsolete,

True with desktop computers as most components are bought separately and off-the-shelf. Different than mobile phones where system on a chip engineering is starting to prevail.

the sooner people will throw it away and that generates more waste.

Or hand it off to another person.

It may be excellent for business, that’s how Apple became a trillion dollar company and Steve and Tim rich millionaires, but it’s the worst for the environment.

To me, the conclusion is not proved by any points in this unless some other opinions or facts are thrown in.

 

[lartola]

Every Apple device that supports USB and was introduced since 2015 — seven years ago! — has had a USB-C port. Some Apple devices introduced in that time support USB-A as well, but far from all of them. Very few of them in the last few years, in fact.

I’m still using a 2020 Intel iMac 27 5K, so I have both…. and thus still have something to plug my Tardis USB-A hub into. But nothing else.

Not true. All iphones still have a lightning port to this day. The first to support fast charging via lightning to USB-C was the iphone X in 2017, but it still came with lightning to USB-A in the box. The first iphones to come with lightning to USB-C in the box were the iphone 11 pro models (which were also the only ones to ever ship with a USB-C power brick in the box before Apple stopped including any power brick).

 

[sunman42]

Not true. All iphones still have a lightning port to this day. The first to support fast charging via lightning to USB-C was the iphone X in 2017, but it still came with lightning to USB-A in the box. The first iphones to come with lightning to USB-C in the box were the iphone 11 pro models (which were also the only ones to ever ship with a USB-C power brick in the box before Apple stopped including any power brick).

I guess my meaning was unclear. BY "support USB," I meant "had a USB port of any kind."

 

[lartola]

I guess my meaning was unclear. BY "support USB," I meant "had a USB port of any kind."

Still, iphones have never had a USB port of any kind. Neither have low cost iPads. The power bricks do, but not the iphone or iPad itself. So it’s not ‘every Apple device’.

 

[I7guy]

Still, iphones have never had a USB port of any kind. Neither have low cost iPads. The power bricks do, but not the iphone or iPad itself. So it’s not ‘every Apple device’.

OP said: "every apple device that supports usb had a usb-c port." Iphones don't support usb, but Macs and ipads do.

 

[oMean]

I would remove extremely repairable from that list. A device that is expensive to repair and only a very few are allowed to repair because it’s sealed with glue and all components are soldered inside is NOT extremely repairable. It may not be totally unrepairable, but it’s certainly far from extremely repairable. I can’t believe anyone can be happy with that. Great job by Apple in brainwashing people into thinking that limited repairability is any good for them.

what is extremely repairable anyway. Any phone nowadays is extremely high tech, not like old Nokia made mostly with finnish birch wood and pike jaws. Apple maybe able to repair more than anyone could in home. Thats why they give you repaired iPhone. At fair price usually.

 

[compwiz1202]

I'm not sure if that happens right now on the website but that would be a good start at least (if it's not).

From looking for in store stock so much before, I definitely did notice it shows what's in the box. I just didn't notice it showing what isn't in the box

 

[compwiz1202]

If Apple did something like that, there would be people complaining about annoying popups and/or that greedy Apple is being too pushy to get people to buy more of their products.

If I didn't know, I wouldn't mind a popup as long as it doesn't just autoadd the item. I wouldn't even mind the add to cart button being right there.

 

[lartola]

what is extremely repairable anyway. Any phone nowadays is extremely high tech, not like old Nokia made mostly with finnish birch wood and pike jaws. Apple maybe able to repair more than anyone could in home. Thats why they give you repaired iPhone. At fair price usually.

Well at least with the old Nokia, Blackberry, etc we could replace the battery ourselves. Now even that we can’t do. I’d love to go back to that. I’d like a bit more repairability. These ‘sleek’ phones are a great business for the manufacturers, but very bad for the end user. As bad as it could get.