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Why would you need 2/4K on a phone display? What are the benefits of that at the cost of battery and the fact that it would not provide any improvement other than tech specs?

Seriously old argument.
  • I can shoot 4k video on my 6S+ - can't view it in 4k.
  • I can access UHD or higher content on my 6S+ - can't view it in that level of resolution
  • I can access/rent/view UHD+ movies and shows but can't view them as such on my ...
Need I go on? .....
Your "comment" sounds like the old "the 3.5" is the perfect size" ... till it wasn't.
Battery impact is minimal at the worst. Android figured that one out just after the G3 launched.
 
If the "rumor" this thread is about, Apple will NOT be using OLED clearly since they are sourcing LCD display drivers for the iPhone 7. Unless those drivers can be used on OLED? Not sure.


HOORAY NO OLED!!! Even the most modern OLED phones are suffering burn-in just a few weeks or months. Meanwhile even the most ancient iPhones still have great screens. Do a Google search or go to a phone store and put up a white screen in a phone that's been on for a few weeks. They look AWFUL. OLED is great for selling phones to idiots who think bright and over saturated must be better. And OLED manufacturers keep putting out PR pieces as news stories saying OLED screens don't burn in or turn yellow any more. Those are lies.
 
The home button is iconic with nearly 8 years of zeitgeist, no way it could be removed.

However, how many spices are you supposed to cook after the butter melts?


The home button still exists on this concept...Maybe not in the same way we're all used to, but it's still there. The home button isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but it could (and most likely will be sometime soon) implemented a little differently.
 
This has been discussed at length already. More RAM = a better, faster experience.
No it doesn't. There is a right amount of memory for every device and having more doesn't help with anything. Too much RAM only costs money, battery life and valuable chip space. Once you have enough RAM, more RAM makes the experience worse. What you don't want is massive amounts of unused free memory waiting for Godot.
 
Seriously old argument.
  • I can shoot 4k video on my 6S+ - can't view it in 4k.
  • I can access UHD or higher content on my 6S+ - can't view it in that level of resolution
  • I can access/rent/view UHD+ movies and shows but can't view them as such on my ...
Need I go on? .....
Your "comment" sounds like the old "the 3.5" is the perfect size" ... till it wasn't.
Battery impact is minimal at the worst. Android figured that one out just after the G3 launched.


While I was surprised Apple added 4K video recording support to the iPhone 6s, there does seem to be some logic to it even though you can't view it properly on the phone. The logic is the fact that they are selling 4K iMacs now which allows us to view and modify the footage as needed.

I wouldn't expect a 4K resolution iPhone anytime soon.
 
I often wonder if the creators of most of these "concepts" have sat down and examined Apple products inside out for years and years, holding them, stroking them, analysing the balance, spacing and symmetry of the placement of components in relation to one another, the choices of material finishes and how different finishes enhance the appearance of adjacent parts, ratios (Golden ratio, rule of thirds, etc), the angles and the size of the perforations in the metal, it seems not, for the most part. After owning a few Apple products over a span of time, you get to feel their design language and how the various elements and their placement "speak" to you in the unspoken Apple aesthetic look, feel and tactile responses. Jony Ive is well known for having the opinion that something shouldn't JUMP OUT and scream "look at me! look how clever the designers were!", and that Fischer Price looking bezel is just... just no. UGH!

These things are all absent in graphical renders except for the aesthetics, but from what we CAN judge - the visual design of most of them is so far de-railed off the "Apple design language railway track", they've positively careered off the side, smashed into a hedge and set themselves on fire with how far removed from what Apple would do. What's the obsession about with placing touch elements where they make NO design sense, such as the bezel area surrounding the home button, and the headphone jack at the bottom? I think it's time to snap out of the designer's personal daydream, and think "Now, what WOULD Ive actually do with this?"

Fail. Fail. Fail.


PS: We have now passed the "tock" of the 6 series iPhone, with the 6S pair, so it would logically follow that the 7 series would depart from this curved aluminium style seen in the 6 series. It has never been the case that the next generation styling uses the previous generation's styling (first iteration of generation, "S" iteration of generation hold the same look with minor adjustments, then it's a new design for the next phase).
 
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No it doesn't. There is a right amount of memory for every device and having more doesn't help with anything. Too much RAM only costs money, battery life and valuable chip space. Once you have enough RAM, more RAM makes the experience worse. What you don't want is massive amounts of unused free memory waiting for Godot.

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Context/semantics is everything right?

Maybe I meant to say "an appropriate amount of RAM". 1GB is NOT it. So too little RAM is better than too much? No, it isn't.

If competitors can put more RAM in there and have excellent performance, so can Apple. Period.

The point is, that until now, RAM on Apple devices has been low, which has impacted experience. This has been discussed AT LENGTH.

It is KNOWN that it's Apple's M.O. to leave features out.

They get devices to work just enough to not piss you off. Not to provide the best performance they can squeeze out of a device.
 
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Context/semantics is everything right?

Maybe I meant to say "an appropriate amount of RAM". 1GB is NOT it. So too little RAM is better than too much? No, it isn't.

If competitors can put more RAM in there and have excellent performance, so can Apple. Period.

The point is, that until now, RAM on Apple devices has been low, which has impacted experience. This has been discussed AT LENGTH.

It is KNOWN that it's Apple's M.O. to leave features out.

They get devices to work just enough to not piss you off. Not to provide the best performance they can squeeze out of a device.

There's a reason other handsets need all that RAM, and that reason is all the baggage and clunk that using a Java-based OS brings along for the ride. Look what iPhones do with DUAL cores, that Octa-core 3-4GB Android phones can't even hope to get near, performance wise. You don't add more RAM "just because", and certainly they wouldn't add it to "compete" with Android handsets. For there to be more RAM there should be a NEED for it, and 2GB is perfectly okay for now. Also, Apple know ALL the proprietary details of their designs and how to optimise them best, so you'll find the best "advisors" to Apple engineers are Apple engineers.
 
Except it looks exactly like the TV 2 and 3 boxes. Can you tell which one is the 2nd gen and which one is 3rd gen in the photo below?

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Was Steve Jobs on vacation when those designs were signed for on?

Why does a TV box need imagination? Chamfered edges seem a little bit fussy to me for a TV box. I want my TV box to disappear not reflect like a diamond in certain lighting.

That design works and looks elegant because of the proportions. With a matte finish nothing would reflect if there were chamfered edges.
The ATV 4 looks like a brick.
The good thing is that it doesn't matter as I push it under and behind the TV, so one just sees the light
when it's on.
 
I often wonder if the creators of most of these "concepts" have sat down and examined Apple products inside out for years and years, holding them, stroking them, analysing the balance, spacing and symmetry of the placement of components in relation to one another, the choices of material finishes and how different finishes enhance the appearance of adjacent parts, ratios (Golden ratio, rule of thirds, etc), the angles and the size of the perforations in the metal, it seems not, for the most part. After owning a few Apple products over a span of time, you get to feel their design language and how the various elements and their placement "speak" to you in the unspoken Apple aesthetic look, feel and tactile responses.

Creepy!

I'd love to see your concept. Please post a pic. But by the choice of your words it's blatantly obvious that you don't know one thing about the design process or how to even begin to create a virtual concept.
 
You are the first person I've ever encountered that said the camera hump is a feature. You're right that poorly designed cases may affect the camera, but I don't see that as a good enough reason.

I'm probably also the first person you encountered that's worked on optical lens design professionally. Without getting to the world-of-its-own optical lingo, all surfaces absorbs, reflects or transmits light in some manner. The finish on the latest iPhone scatters light along its surface for the sheen effect intended by the industrial designers. If the lens was not out a millimeter or so as it is now, that light transmitted along the surface of the phone can leak into the camera lens and occlude the image. It is even worst if the flash is used. IMPO, this is why the lens cover sticks out approximately a millimeter.
 
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I cant wait for the day the home button is gone but I really want touch id in the display, that would be awesome
 
The home button is not going anywhere. The new Apple TV remote with the touchpad is what what I expect to happen to the bottom end home button section for better cursor control and functionality. The home button is far to nice of a feature to get rid of.
Expand upon sounds more like it.

Same here. If they have two buttons to the left and two to the right of the home button, they are getting very close to the classic Palm Pilot button layout of two buttons on the left, two on the right and an up-down rocker in the center.

My guess is that the areas to the right and left of the home button will have touch and force sensors for commonly used apps. Perhaps a spring box like in the OS X icon bar.

That's my initial thought but there's nothing stopping them from creating a override with the volume buttons in play to kill a crashed app.
That is a possibility. Pressing both the vol up, vol down and power buttons put the phone into restore mode if needed.
 
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While I was surprised Apple added 4K video recording support to the iPhone 6s, there does seem to be some logic to it even though you can't view it properly on the phone. The logic is the fact that they are selling 4K iMacs now which allows us to view and modify the footage as needed.

I wouldn't expect a 4K resolution iPhone anytime soon.

Me either :D
 
Creepy!

I'd love to see your concept. Please post a pic. But by the choice of your words it's blatantly obvious that you don't know one thing about the design process or how to even begin to create a virtual concept.

I don't make a habit of designing "concepts", I have a life and not enough free time to do that with (even if I wanted to OR knew how to operate Maya, 3DS Max etc), and I don't like to waste huge chunks of it attempting to "predict" something which isn't even important. Yeah, I know nothing about anything me, I am a plain, dumb as muck fool :p
 
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The render looks like a theoretical implementation of this free-form display tech with a hole cut in the middle for a traditional home button. I'd like to say this is just a bad concept.


The home button is iconic with nearly 8 years of zeitgeist, no way it could be removed.

We all said that about the click wheel too :p
 
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Maybe I meant to say "an appropriate amount of RAM".
Oh really? But what you actually said was: More = Better.
If competitors can put more RAM in there and have excellent performance, so can Apple.
Sure, but there are no competitors with excellent performance. Android phones are only optimized for certain specs, biggest screen, most pixel, most megapixel, most cores, most memory etc. And when you compare actual performance, best pictures, smoothest scrolling, longest battery life etc. you will find that they all fall behind iPhone. You can't cram a 4K screen into a phone and expect it to have good battery life and also be thin and light as well.
The point is, that until now, RAM on Apple devices has been low, which has impacted experience. This has been discussed AT LENGTH.
Even if you have an Android phone with 4GB RAM, no developer could target that market, because there is no guarantee how many new phones will have that much. Android hardware fragmentation prevents real progress. Even so Androids had NFC and Fingerprint sensors earlier, the state of secure payments is a joke.

HTC stored user fingerprints as image file in unencrypted folder :eek:
They get devices to work just enough to not piss you off. Not to provide the best performance they can squeeze out of a device.
Apple doesn't even care about performance, they optimize experience. Sometimes they do a bad job at it, but they always strive for a better experience. So finally that's what they end up with. Phones which won't win on specs, but on the merits of usage experience.
 
I'm sorry but am I the only one who is sick of hearing those quotes?

In an era of "revolution" it makes sense, but the adage does not apply every time, especially in the context of current Apple products.

The revolution already happened (the Mac, the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad). What we have here now are "mature" products that will not fundamentally change.

I know what I want:

I want multiple user accounts on mobile devices
I want more RAM in sealed/mobile devices, not the bare minimum
I want access to the file system in mobile devices
I want ease of connectivity and compatibility (as in NOT proprietary)
I want to install whichever OS version I prefer (or at least revert to the one that came with my device)
I want portable computers with upgradeable components (RAM, HD)
I want desktop computers with upgradeable components (at least Graphics Cards, RAM, HDs)

Curerntly, Apple does NONE of the above.

I'm all for innovation and revolution, but not at the expense of functionality in the current environment.
With the exception of the multiple user accounts, the other features you mention don't add any functionality to the devices, and to be honest, most people don't care about them. People who open their devices to add more RAM, replace the HDD and want to fiddle with customizing everything are a tiny percentage of consumers, and clearly not who Apple sells their products to.
 
Lol.
Ok, smart guy.
PLEASE post a reply of how you switch an Android phone back and forth between OS versions, easily upgrading & downgrading at will.
I have no problem with my second phone (Motorola Moto G 2nd gen) with the default motorola tools.... it is not difficult at all (it might even be easier with a Nexus...)
I don't know what phone you have, but if you tell me the model I can look up how to downgrade (to upgrade you simply press the update button...) and if there are no new version avaiable for your phone you can simply flash a rom from the thousand of distro you can find online, so even without official suport you can still upgrade / downgrade, easy peasy lemon squeezy!!!
 
You need your eyes testing, the concept in the picture looks amazing! The mockups look better than the retail devices IMO. Here's the ATV one you mentioned, followed by what we got.

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I missed this first time around, those are beautiful concepts!
 
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You have other buttons around the device if you feel the need for a physical reset button
Not feel the need, but actually need.
Depends on what happens. But I'd rather not have to reset the entire device to get out of an app each time it locks the entire screen up.

Those mockups were far superior to the enlarged hockey puck they enlarged. At least it wasn't :apple:TV1 size.

Lose an optical out port, but gains thickness? Ive has lost his thinness influence it seems.

We could always buy a round label and stick in on the glass for those with

HBWS (Home Button Withdrawal Symptom)


256 GB please too.
Not withdrawal, required navigational tool for physical reset.
 
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