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Okay, the Football vs. Football arguments just plain bore me. We all love sport, so let's all leave it at that, shut up, and order another pint! :)

Now for the REAL controversy (in my mind):

This is a great move by Apple, but I see a possible conflict of interest here. California, and especially San Francisco, has huge taxes and huge regulations. Possibly the most regulated state outside of New York. And California has been losing population because of it.

I think as a matter of ethics, taxes should be paid for by the people who voted in favor of them and taxes should be paid for by the people who voted for the politicians in favor of them.

The taxpayer should not be disconnected from the tax bill, because it encourages irresponsible voting habits and irresponsible spending habits. And eventually, bankruptcy. California is on this path right now.

And even if taxes aren't at issue, I must say that I am immediately suspicious of this buddy-buddy arrangement, and I think everybody should be asking questions about whether or not some quid-pro-quot setup is afoot here.

1. Is Apple hoping to gain some sort of secret special favor with the city of San Francisco? Maybe for a prime location for a store where a mom-and-pop would never be able to locate due to onerous regulations?

2. Is Apple hoping that this perceived goodwill will help the corporation avoid future environmental, electrical, waste, labor, city, or municipal service regulations in the city, or in California where the corporate headquarters resides?

3. Is Apple making it easier for San Francisco, California, or even Washington DC politicians to someday get into bed with Apple for future favors?

No, I think that it should not be legal for a publicly traded corporation to offer to assume somebody else's tax responsibility. If taxes are too high, then certainly California voters could strongly encourage their city, state, and federal politicians to fix that situation. But we can't get there if somebody else pays the bills.
 
It's not really much of a debate, it's fact. American sports are practically only watched/followed in America. The football (soccer) World Cup is watched globally.

This is misinformed. American Football? Yes. But Basketball, is popular around the world, and Ice Hockey is big in Europe. Oh, and Baseball is big in Japan, Cuba, Venezuela just to name a few.

Hint: All three of those sports are in or have been in the Olympic Games.

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Okay, the Football vs. Football arguments just plain bore me. We all love sport, so let's all leave it at that, shut up, and order another pint! :)

Now for the REAL controversy (in my mind):

This is a great move by Apple, but I see a possible conflict of interest here. California, and especially San Francisco, has huge taxes and huge regulations. Possibly the most regulated state outside of New York. And California has been losing population because of it.

I think as a matter of ethics, taxes should be paid for by the people who voted in favor of them and taxes should be paid for by the people who voted for the politicians in favor of them.

The taxpayer should not be disconnected from the tax bill, because it encourages irresponsible voting habits and irresponsible spending habits. And eventually, bankruptcy. California is on this path right now.

And even if taxes aren't at issue, I must say that I am immediately suspicious of this buddy-buddy arrangement, and I think everybody should be asking questions about whether or not some quid-pro-quot setup is afoot here.

1. Is Apple hoping to gain some sort of secret special favor with the city of San Francisco? Maybe for a prime location for a store where a mom-and-pop would never be able to locate due to onerous regulations?

2. Is Apple hoping that this perceived goodwill will help the corporation avoid future environmental, electrical, waste, labor, city, or municipal service regulations in the city, or in California where the corporate headquarters resides?

3. Is Apple making it easier for San Francisco, California, or even Washington DC politicians to someday get into bed with Apple for future favors?

No, I think that it should not be legal for a publicly traded corporation to offer to assume somebody else's tax responsibility. If taxes are too high, then certainly California voters could strongly encourage their city, state, and federal politicians to fix that situation. But we can't get there if somebody else pays the bills.

Hi there. So here's the thing. The City of San Francisco has nothing to do with any of this. The SF 49ers left Candlestick Park in San Francisco and are now located in Santa Clara, though they have kept the San Francisco name.
 
Hi there. So here's the thing. The City of San Francisco has nothing to do with any of this. The SF 49ers left Candlestick Park in San Francisco and are now located in Santa Clara, though they have kept the San Francisco name.

Thank you for correcting me on the city. I'll let the reader substitute SF with SC.

Facts are important, yes. But in the long run, the root meaning of my post still applies, and it doesn't sound like you're in disagreement with me.
 
People outside the US have a very good handle on the size of both the landmass and population. Probably better than a lot of people here do.



I have to ask for a source on that, it simply doesn't ring true.



You seem to have a misconception of the prevalance of football elsewhere though, as if sports such as rugby, tennis, cycling etc are just minor hobbies. There are a lot of sports to choose from in most countries, it is no different from the US. It's that football is the common favorite that is so interesting. But since we're talking about sheer numbers, it's funny that you throw in cricket as the comedy option when it's the second most popular sport in the world in terms of population.



That stat sounds ridiculous - I'd guess that's based on home viewing ratings, and doesn't include figures for those watching in pubs or on giant public screens.

Besides, all this talk about absolute population figures - this just doesn't pass the smell test. You just need to have been to another country around world cup time to know the difference. Barely anyone talks about it here, it's a footnote on the news, and you know there are very few people watching - the games are buried on ESPN2.

The source is FIFA. I no longer have the link handy but you should be able to find it as easily as I did with a little looking around.
 
... Now let's all get a beer and watch some Stanley Cup Hockey. I know a bar that has 100 screens and we can all watch whatever at the same time.
Fixed that for you.... :)
Yes. But 100% of the Super Bowl market is 1st world while 99% of the World Cup market is 3rd world. As a corporation, which would you target?
Ironically, Superbowl ads are not seen outside of the US when broadcast. From an international marketing point of view, it doesn't matter a whit whether or not your ad plays during the game. Those of us in the RoW (Rest Of the World) have to go and search out those amazing ads that the US news stations talk endless about.
This is misinformed. American Football? Yes. But Basketball, is popular around the world, and Canadian Ice Hockey is big in Europe. Oh, and Baseball is big in Japan, Cuba, Venezuela just to name a few.
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Fixed that one for you... :D
 
Great way to hell offset costs for the city I like this idea a lot.

Great job big tech companies.

As someone that doesn't give a rats ass about the Super Bowl, I would have rather seen them do something to benefit everyone. Like pledge to help cities get fiber internet in all major California cities like yesterday. Timewarner et al are a joke and a ripoff, so kill them with choices. Since the DOJ etc won't kill the oligopoly why not have the tech companies do it

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I had never heard that part of history. I knew the brits invented the game, but can you provide a source for your statement about the reasoning behind the invention? I would be interested in reading more about this.

He probably could provide you with a source but since most folks are on ****** internet it might take some time to research if. If only the tech companies would do something of support tech and learning before supporting overpriced ad avenues
 
And you my friend have been slogged into the rewritten history and origin of British sporting games.

The reality is it all started in the early industrial revolution when children of age 12 and above started to work in factories instead of farms. The docile, stand-in-one-place environment of a factory led to children yearning for physical activity. This led to street fights and was the inspiration for Oliver Twist.

One schoolmaster came up with a game of kicking a ball around in a carriage field after work shift to "run the kids out" before they went home. This is the real origins of soccer. Higher ups noticed it was keeping kids out of trouble and most of all, not teaching any combat skills. The game was formalized and introduced into British colonies to pacify the natives to keep down rebellions.
So, the Egyptians and Chinese that played similar games 3000 years before that were doing...what?

I guess they should have patented it.
 
So, the Egyptians and Chinese that played similar games 3000 years before that were doing...what?

I guess they should have patented it.

Yes, "ball kicking" games do go back to ancient times. However, it is the British who formalized the concept of no-arms ball field action with an allowed-arms goalie protecting a target at opposite ends of a rectangular field. This lead to the social engineering sport we now know as International Football or Soccer.

This game is a social conditioning tool enforcing to the public that you are less powerful than the goalie (government / ruling class) and must work at as a team of limited individuals with no combat skills to progress in life.

Actions such as using your arms, moving out of your field area and equally empowered as the goalie is punished. This leads to sub-conscience frustration in the audience and hence the angst and riots as the sport limits the athletes' ability.

British Colonial Efforts used this sport to pacify the locals of their colonies. When soccer riots did break out, it was a useful drill for the local police to identify and compromise local rebellion leaders before any real damage came about.

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They may play hockey in Europe and the US… but we all know that it is Canadian Ice Hockey at heart. ;)

The modern rules of Hockey (a.k.a. Lord Stanley's Game) did originate in Canada. However, the games roots goes all the way back to the Vikings and Celts hitting a ball with a hurling stick on ice almost a thousand years. Before Lord Stanley wrote the rules, each town in Canada and Europe had their own "town rules" keeping teams from touring.
 
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The modern rules of Hockey (a.k.a. Lord Stanley's Game) did originate in Canada. ....

And.... thank you.....

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I don't watch either of the footballs... Too slow. Though I will watch the Grey Cup.

One of the changes that would make football more exciting would be to allow player substitutions while a play is progress. That would be fun...

;)
 
I'm confused. I thought the super bowl was run by the NFL. So Apple and the rest have given two million each to the NFL? And the taxpayer was originally going to cover the cost? :eek:

Have I misunderstood here?
 
They may play hockey in Europe and the US… but we all know that it is Canadian Ice Hockey at heart. ;)

Well, no not really, but it's all Canada has, so, out of pity, we let you think that way.

P.S. Where's Canada in the Stanley Cup this year? Oh! That's right, it's the New York Rangers vs. The Los Angeles Kings in 2014.

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I'm confused. I thought the super bowl was run by the NFL. So Apple and the rest have given two million each to the NFL? And the taxpayer was originally going to cover the cost? :eek:

Have I misunderstood here?

They have not given any money to the NFL, they are covering what would normally be tax expenses related to the event.

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The modern rules of Hockey (a.k.a. Lord Stanley's Game) did originate in Canada. However, the games roots goes all the way back to the Vikings and Celts hitting a ball with a hurling stick on ice almost a thousand years.

For the record (and nothing more), that game still exists, it's called "Bandy".
 
Well, no not really, but it's all Canada has, so, out of pity, we let you think that way.
That is coming from someone who has obviously never relished a Nanaimo Bar, Butter Tart, or Beaver Tail, eh?
P.S. Where's Canada in the Stanley Cup this year? Oh! That's right, it's the New York Rangers vs. The Los Angeles Kings in 2014....

Um.... actually the Kings are Rangers are Canadian teams... 35 of the 56 players are Canadian with the US providing 12 players. Consider that the US has a population 9x that of Canada to pull outstanding hockey players from. Both Head Coaches are Canadian as well.

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To get this back on topic. This move by Apple and the other techs will make people wonder if they are getting 'something' from City Hall in exchange for the contribution? Like zoning changes....

I don't believe so.. but you have to be very careful with conflict of interest appearances when you are a politician.
 
Oh, Canada... :rolleyes:

P.S. Wait, you *do* have Rob Ford and Justin Bieber.

… and Naheed Nenshi…


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Imagine NFL football rules where the only time you can substitute players is while the play is in progress… on the fly line changes in other words. Once the play is whistled to an end the players on the field have to stay there. Even if there was a turnover. (Except for injured players of course). Now that would make the game more exciting, eh!
 
They have not given any money to the NFL, they are covering what would normally be tax expenses related to the event.
That is not what they said. They are covering "taxpayer" expenses, IOW, what the city/county/state govts would be paying to lure the NFL to town. That may include some tax breaks, but it also includes lots of work that the city usually pays for a myriad of jobs related to this event.

Here's an example from my town, which will be hosting in a few years.
http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/262253921.html

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Imagine NFL football rules where the only time you can substitute players is while the play is in progress… on the fly line changes in other words. Once the play is whistled to an end the players on the field have to stay there. Even if there was a turnover. (Except for injured players of course). Now that would make the game more exciting, eh!
That would be psychotic. The game just isn't designed that way. Basketball could perhaps imitate hockey, and baseball...well, who would even notice. Futbol would be ok because of the speed, but I don't see NFL or rugby being able to do that.

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the social engineering sport...

...social conditioning tool enforcing to the public

You really don't like the sport, do you?
 
They have not given any money to the NFL, they are covering what would normally be tax expenses related to the event.

Okay... why is a football match covered by taxes? I'm still not understanding here... :eek:
 
Oh, Canada... :rolleyes:

P.S. Wait, you *do* have Rob Ford and Justin Bieber.

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That would be psychotic. The game just isn't designed that way. Basketball could perhaps imitate hockey, and baseball...well, who would even notice. Futbol would be ok because of the speed, but I don't see NFL or rugby being able to do that….

If you folks need them, I'm sure we have a couple or a dozen comedians we could send your way…. I'm sensing a small deficit in the sense of humour department. ;)
 
Okay... why is a football match covered by taxes? I'm still not understanding here... :eek:

Expenses related to the event, like policing, for example.

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That is not what they said. They are covering "taxpayer" expenses, IOW, what the city/county/state govts would be paying to lure the NFL to town. That may include some tax breaks, but it also includes lots of work that the city usually pays for a myriad of jobs related to this event.

Yes, that's what I said. Tax expenses. Like policing.
 
I'm sorry to say that, but this is one of the reasons why others think Americans are shallow and dumb.

If people are judging an entire country of 315 million people based on one of its popular sports, then they are the ones that are shallow and dumb.
 
It's crazy that the biggest football event would need that much in taxes from a host city

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NFL should pay it all since they don't even pay taxes
 
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