Apple ousts beleaguered RIM's BlackBerry as top business smartphone

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  1. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/11313266/1/apple-beats-blackberry-in-business-phones.html

    Apple ousts beleaguered RIM's BlackBerry as top business smartphone

    “Apple has ousted Research in Motion’s BlackBerry as the top smartphone for mobile workers, according to the latest research from wireless specialist iPass,” James Rogers reports for TheStreet.
    “The company’s survey of more than 2,300 employees at 1,100 businesses reveals that more than 45% of mobile workers now use iPhones, up from 31% last year,” Rogers reports. “BlackBerry users, however, slipped to 32%, down from 35% in 2010.”

    Rogers reports, “Google Android phones, it said, almost doubled their presence in the business market between 2010 and 2011, clinching a 21% market share and pushing Nokia, Symbian out of third place.”


    Rogers reports, “Speaking during the [company's October 18, 2011] earnings conference call, Apple CEO Tim Cook said that 93% of the Fortune 500 are either deploying or testing the device, up from 91% in the prior quarter. ‘iPhone continues to be adopted as the standard across the enterprise,’ he said, noting that Lowe’s(LOW_) is rolling out over 40,000 iPhones with a custom-built application that lets employees check inventory levels.”

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    • ”[iPhone is] kind of one more entrant into an already very busy space with lots of choice for consumers … But in terms of a sort of a sea-change for BlackBerry, I would think that’s overstating it.” – RIM half-CEO Jim Balsillie, February 2007

    • ”The most exciting mobile trend is full Qwerty keyboards. I’m sorry, it really is. I’m not making this up.”- RIM half-CEO Mike Lazaridis, May 2008

    • “We’ve now passed RIM. And I don’t see them catching up with us for the foreseeable future. They must move beyond their area of strength and comfort into the unfamiliar territory of trying to become a software platform company… RIM has a high mountain ahead of them to climb.” Apple CEO Steve Jobs, October 18, 2010


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    RIM is the last company to deserve any sympathy from anyone. Wilful ignorance and denial seems to pervade the entire organization from top to bottom.

    This is what happens when you don't do jack to your platform in 4 years, with an Apple product in the same segment. Slow to change, quick to make excuses. It's a fatal combination in this new market reality that treats late entrants with barely adequate offerings (and old players that can't re-invent their business) with extreme brutality.

    And here's their game plan going forward:

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/10/rim-to-forge-ahead-with-flash-on-the-blackberry-playbook-even-i/

    Good luck with that.

    RIM needs a change in management. A radical one. And they need it three years ago.
     
  2. B777Forevar macrumors 6502a

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    So sad. RIM was a great company. I loved their products. (Especially the BB Bold)

    Oh well, if RIM continues to act like this I guess they do deserve it.
     
  3. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    I question the survey.
    That is an average of a little over 2 people per business and by the sound of it it would be mostly small business that have no use for a BES.

    I know for a fact that BP (the oil company) flat out bans the iPhone and iOS from its corporate email system (private or not) but will allow Android, BB, Windows Phone and WebOS. And from the sound of it that is pretty much the norm of oil companies. Reason being is security controls (or the lack there of for iOS)
     
  4. *LTD* thread starter macrumors G4

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    Are you sure it's a good idea for you to be questioning anything Apple vs. RIM related?
     
  5. entatlrg macrumors 68040

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    Yea, Rim lost focus on the user experience while Apple perfected it.

    Rim had every chance to outdo them all, as in since 1985 lol.
     
  6. vvswarup macrumors 6502a

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    Is there an argument somewhere in your long anti-Apple rant?

    How about this: 93% of Fortune 500 Companies are testing the device, in the words of Apple CEO Tim Cook.

    And are you trying to tell me that BP allows every device under the sun but the iPhone? Are you seriously trying to tell me that Android is any more secure than iOS? Utter baloney!!!
     
  7. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    I was surprised as well when I was told that but that comes directly from multiple employees. Flat out iPhone ban. No if ands or buts about it. The iPhone is not allowed to have company email on the phone. They can use the web log in but that is it.

    Also the 93% testing/using just means they are allowing iPhones to say get email pushed to the phone. It does not mean they are giving them to the employees.
     
  8. miles01110 macrumors Core

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    One F500 company I consult for is testing iPhones and iPads. They currently have three of each device authorized to connect to their network. Another F500 company I consult for has 5 iPhones and no iPads. Saying that 93% of Fortune 500 Companies are testing the device says nothing about how many iDevices are in use at each company.
     
  9. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    It's a shame that RIM is in such a state. What I find confusing though is why I'm still seeing more people using BB's than iPhones (especially the younger generation) and yet RIM appears to be in trouble.

    Blackberrys outnumber any other phone 3 to 1 at my work. And my brother is always on about how much he wants one and everyone at his school as one. Why the hell are RIM in trouble? The way I see it, they're making tonnes of sales. What am I missing here.
     
  10. *LTD* thread starter macrumors G4

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    Thinking beyond the 5 feet of your personal space and the 10 miles of your daily commute?
     
  11. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    Oh, wait, sorry. Totally forgot that my life is anecdotal. :rolleyes:
     
  12. rhett7660 macrumors G4

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    Very interesting. Yes there product is good but it seems that people want a "smart phone" ala iPhone or Android device.

    It was only a matter of time before they started to make in roads into the business/enterprise area. Good for them!
     
  13. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Do you have no life? That is pathetic that you have to break and go insulting digging threw god knows how many threads to post everything off topic. None of those have anything do with the topic and were on topic where they were.

    LTD is that what is has come to when someone presents and argument that kills your bashing that you have to turn around and just insult them.
     
  14. vvswarup macrumors 6502a

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    But the point is that a two years ago, no enterprise customer would touch an iDevice with a ten-foot pole. BlackBerry was king. Nowadays, that's not the case. People are willing to look beyond BlackBerry even for enterprise use.
     
  15. interrobang macrumors 6502

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    Well, I totally trust BP's judgement when it comes to mitigating risk.
     
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    RIM is not dead yet. Nor is it irrelevant. What needs to be done is getting rid of those two idiots for CEOs. There close mindness is staggering to the point where they will dual-handedly bring RIM down.

    You can't blame the engineers at RIM, since we know many of them are disgruntled at their management.
     
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    I don't know about BP, but I know the federal government wouldn't touch iDevices for a long time. That is changing now, though. Part of what has led to the growth in the enterprise is that several competitors to BES have come to market. Good Messaging software, for example, allows control of apps installed, remote wiping, etc. for both iOS and Android devices. Good for Government allows the devices to be encrypted and more. There are other software packages that allow similar control of employee devices. Heck, even Exchange 2010 has ways of controlling end-user devices. To me, this is what has caused more iOS (and Android) devices to move into the business world, rather than anything Apple has done (other than make the devices, of course).

    Blackberry Messenger. It works like text messaging between Blackberry devices, but doesn't count against text message limits. That way, mom and dad don't get a nasty surprise when the kids go over the text message limit.

    You are right, I still see Blackberry devices all over the place, so they should be making money. Plus, with the price of the BES licenses, they should be making money from that. Then again, I work for the feds, so my perspective is a bit warped.

    IMO, RIM suffered the problem so many tech companies face, especially successfully ones. They were so confident that the corporate world could continue to use their services and devices due to things like BES integration into email, security, and hardware. They failed to see just how important apps would become. They also didn't move quickly enough in upgrading their OS. The BB browser has sucked for a long time, and their app selection is terrible. As I stated above, the rise of third-party software to allow management and control and integration of other devices has really caused problems for them. The Good software I mentioned offers just as much control and security as BES, but is cheaper and works with other devices. And there many other choices available.
     
  18. swedefish macrumors 6502

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    In all fairness to roadbloc, I do believe Blackberry is the best selling phone here in the UK. The teen crowd lives for BBM. I do sense a shift among uni students though. In the past couple of years my circle of friends has gravitated towards Android and iOS and I see a lot of iPhones around my university this year (compared to the past).
     
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    I hate the kids with their Pin's when they loose the phone it's always 'add my new pin' iMessage is a much, much, much slicker implementation and may kill off the BBM crowd with its sheer simplicity. Blue = iMessage Green = SMS..... It has literally saved me about 50gbp whilst i'm here in Germany.
     
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    RIM's not out yet, not by a long shot.

    The Blackberry London (concept shot here) would make it cool for business people to keep with RIM.

    It looks like a WebOS device done right, with a decent sized screen. (QNX is really nice on the Playbook, and reminds one of WebOS with its gestures.)
     
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    Oooo... now that does look nice...
     

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