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Patent the obvious. The real question is how many duplicate patents for the same thing exist ? Then they can sue each other to see who has the "valid" one. Also, there is supposed to be a patent pool for this stuff where everyone basically joins the group, puts their patents into the group and agrees not to sue each other because typically there is only one really good solution to a problem, and a bunch of less than optimum ones...
 
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If you're an Apple customer, you're paying either way.
You’re not wrong. My point was that people will get satisfaction that big bad Apple gets punished not realizing they’re the one being punished when they buy Apple products. It’s not like Tim Apple has to pay out of his own money.
 
You’re not wrong. My point was that people will get satisfaction that big bad Apple gets punished not realizing they’re the one being punished when they buy Apple products. It’s not like Tim Apple has to pay out of his own money.
Do you think that Apple is going to raise the price of their iPhones because they lost a lawsuit?
 
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The real question is how many duplicate patents for the same thing exist ? Then they can sue each other to see who has the "valid" one.
Sure. But it wouldn't make much of a difference in this case if one of those duplicate patents wasn't held by Apple, now would it?

Also, there is supposed to be a patent pool for this stuff where everyone basically joins the group, puts their patents into the group and agrees not to sue each other because typically there is only one really good solution to a problem, and a bunch of less than optimum ones...
Apple could choose to join such a patent pool. But in doing so, they would have to share their own IP as well. Something tells me Apple would rather take the "let's steal what we can and pay them off if we get caught" approach than the one where they have to actually, you know, contribute to the industry.
 
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Do you think that Apple is going to raise the price of their iPhones because they lost a lawsuit?
It’s not just about the price of the iPhone. There are all kinds of ways they could compensate for this. They could cut costs on Apple services or even the components in the iPhone. It’s just a fact that the money Apple has is from Apple customers.
 
Sure. But it wouldn't make much of a difference in this case if one of those duplicate patents wasn't held by Apple, now would it?


Apple could choose to join such a patent pool. But in doing so, they would have to share their own IP as well. Something tells me Apple would rather take the "let's steal what we can and pay them off if we get caught" approach than the one where they have to actually, you know, contribute to the industry.
could be basis to invalidate patent, especially if other patent is dated even one day before.

typically if you give a bunch of people a problem to solve, the same ideal solution will often come to the top. whoever gets to the patent office first owns it. its just BS at this point.
 
It’s not just about the price of the iPhone. There are all kinds of ways they could compensate for this. They could cut costs on Apple services or even the components in the iPhone. It’s just a fact that the money Apple has is from Apple customers.
People who pull the whole "us customers are going to pay for it" schtick assume one (or both) of two things:
1) Apple is not already charging their customers the maximum price that the market will bear for their products.
2) Apple is not already doing everything they can to cut costs (lower component prices, lowered services)

Do you think that Tim Cook is so incompetent that he would not already be charging the maximum amount he could justify and finding as many "efficiencies" in the business as possible?
 
Apple's motto: "violate first, answer questions later" and their strategy is making a calculated guess on what it will cost them to violate the patent vs how much more they'll make with that technology incorporated in their products.
As the article points out and other users have reminded us companies get sued over patent infringement all the time. Why have you singled out Apple as the only company that gets accused of patent infringement and is the only company that is guilty of such actions. Why do you hate the company so much?
 
With 1 Billion iPhone users, i’m sure Tim Cook 🧑‍🍳 can get 100 million of them to pay a $1 or $2 extra on some product or service.
 
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As the article points out and other users have reminded us companies get sued over patent infringement all the time. Why have you singled out Apple as the only company that gets accused of patent infringement and is the only company that is guilty of such actions. Why do you hate the company so much?
US patent law is even more screwed up. if you *knowingly* infringe a patent its triple damages. therefore the system reward is to create soemting, take your chances, don't do the research on prior patents because its simply cheaper even if you do get caught.
 
maybe. just that the MR article as well as the Reuters article have basically no detail.
A Delaware federal jury
That's pretty much it.

And again - how long is LG out of the handset business? 3G was "created" well over a decade ago ...
That’s why the calculated royalties are ”only” for 443 million devices which is the device base (iPhones and iPads) back then that used 3G.

This is no patent troll. This is a legitimate guy building a company to create technology for mobile devices. Not buying patents in bulk and sueing as a means of existence.
 
3G technology is like, what, 15 years + old?
And why sue US carriers?
And why sue LG and Samsung and not Motorola, Nokia, Huawei just to name a few.

These does have a smell of patent troll, at least with the little info provided here
They also sued at least Vodafone and Huawei, in the UK.
 
3G technology is like, what, 15 years + old?
And why sue US carriers?
And why sue LG and Samsung and not Motorola, Nokia, Huawei just to name a few.

These does have a smell of patent troll, at least with the little info provided here
Here in the UK (and in other countries) there are plans in place to switch off 3G networks in the next few years. Then it will be time for Apple to remove the 3G bits from their devices sold in those markets. Then this NPE can go sing for their money. As other posts say, this has been done for years. All this NPE did (AFAIK) was to take that idea and add 'on a 3G cellular network' and file the patent. (or something like that).
Adding 'on a network' or phrases like it to a patent application has been going on since the late 1980's to my knowledge.
 
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with all these lawsuits Apple will just increase prices to cover up for lawyer costs.
 
Here in the UK (and in other countries) there are plans in place to switch off 3G networks in the next few years. Then it will be time for Apple to remove the 3G bits from their devices sold in those markets. Then this NPE can go sing for their money. As other posts say, this has been done for years. All this NPE did (AFAIK) was to take that idea and add 'on a 3G cellular network' and file the patent. (or something like that).
Adding 'on a network' or phrases like it to a patent application has been going on since the late 1980's to my knowledge.

imo, thats a bad idea. 3G reaches further areas than 4g and 5g. Any signal is better than no signal.
 
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