Apple Partnering With Foxconn to Build High-End iPhone Models in India Next Year

[Baymowe335]

They are still selling them through authorized retailers. Apple didn’t want them in their flagship stores, quite likely because they also sell the 7, 8, XR, XS, and XS Max for much higher profit margins, and potentially hoped to encourage customers coming to those stores to spend more.



They also still sell the SE.



Apple did not discontinue those models. They stopped selling them at the Apple retail stores. Big difference. You can still find them on their website as options, albeit, you must purchase from an authorized retailer.

Your line of reasoning is specious at best, and certainly is no more valid than anybody else’s speculation, or what you may consider nonsense.

Semantics. Apple is the official source for their "lineup" and it's no sold through Apple anymore. There have been countless articles, including here, that use the word "discontinued." I'm sure you can still find the iPhone 5S at some retailers.

Point is, Apple isn't promoting it anymore and it's no longer in their official lineup...for a reason. Niche product and Apple figured they can get people on the fence to either buy a 4.7" iPhone 7 or 8...or step up to an Xr.

The success of the iPhone X is was created the entire new lineup.
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If there is not a single iPhone SE or newer version available for sale at Apple store, the demand for it will be zero.

This was the case when Apple did not sell any phablets - zero available, zero demand.

No overestimate done by anyone here; >4.7"+ size screens were not in demand at Apple until 2014!

Nonsense said here is by people claiming that there is no demand for smaller size iPhones.
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... and people are still buying these "not wanted" iPhones at these locations, when they see Apple is not selling them. All guarantee and AppleCare available.

It's not just about "no demand" or not. Apple has studied the market and executed a strategy. My point is, they certainly know better than we do and the fact it's not in their lineup is proof enough it's not a big seller or at minimum something that people would forego buying another that is in the lineup.

 

[0388631]

Was it not even 48 hours ago there was a thread stating Apple had trouble moving their handsets in India but couldn't figure out why?

 

[bdkennedy1]

I just can’t get over the HomePod. It looks like a butt plug. What is with Jony and these trash can design electronics? It’s the ugliest thing since the fatty iPod.

 

[Shiro_Simba]

Smart move by Apple . Right now China has them by the brass monkey balls...
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I just can’t get over the HomePod. It looks like a butt plug. What is with Jony and these trash can design electronics? It’s the ugliest thing since the fatty iPod.

The fatty iPod ugly ..... for it’s time?

 

[StellarVixen]

Do they realize that they cannot use trade war between USA and China as an excuse for the rather high price of the iDevices right now?

Let's see how this will turn out.

 

[KPandian1]

I just can’t get over the HomePod. It looks like a butt plug. What is with Jony and these trash can design electronics? It’s the ugliest thing since the fatty iPod.

You are probably the one person on earth/here who thinks that is a butt plug -maybe someone in Apple! Massive.

If they give it a crown, the bin-look will be more like an English post-box.

Never did the MacPro or the HomePod like like a "trash can".

Square pillars next?
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I'm sure you can still find the iPhone 5S at some retailers.

And even more iPhone 5S in the hands of consumers - point is ... ?

Apple has studied the market and executed a strategy.

You were privy to this decision made by Apple how?

No numbers from Apple to say that they had unsold iPhone SE stock to turn against developing it. Remember, they don't release the individual model sales numbers.

Their engineers can put their newest hardware into the SE frame - "I was at that engineering meeting!"

 

[danny842003]

Surprising. Thought they'd be pulling out rather than doubling-down on India after all the shenanigans and low sales there.

There’s over 1.25 billion people and the country is developing at a good rate. No company that wants to make money will be pulling out.

 

[Baymowe335]

You are probably the one person on earth/here who thinks that is a butt plug -maybe someone in Apple! Massive.

If they give it a crown, the bin-look will be more like an English post-box.

Never did the MacPro or the HomePod like like a "trash can".

Square pillars next?
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And even more iPhone 5S in the hands of consumers - point is ... ?



You were privy to this decision made by Apple how?

No numbers from Apple to say that they had unsold iPhone SE stock to turn against developing it. Remember, they don't release the individual model sales numbers.

Their engineers can put their newest hardware into the SE frame - "I was at that engineering meeting!"

Point being, Apple discontinued the SE and it’s clear Apple is executing a no SE in their lineup strategy, further indicating it isn’t popular enough to justify its existence.

 

[tridley68]

I guess this is good news for India.

 

[KPandian1]

Apple discontinued the SE and it’s clear Apple is executing a no SE in their lineup strategy, further indicating it isn’t popular enough to justify its existence.

You know this how?

 

[Baymowe335]

You know this how?

www.apple.com/iPhone

 

[chainmailr]

India's laws are interesting. They banned Facebook's Internet.org because it violated their equivalent of net neutrality laws. They disallow online retailers from selling products they have stake in, which Amazon and Walmart normally do. They have some law about companies having to produce enough within India to sell without tariffs. I wonder how they'll interact with Apple.
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Yah man, just like how the evil Chinese planted tiny secret spying chips in those Supermicro servers used by Apple amirite? /s

I'm not saying they did it, but this was never disproven. Bloomberg made the accusation, Apple denied it, and that's all.

 

[Rychiar]

as long as they don't get their tech support from India...

 

[ColdShadow]

I prefer to have it built in china. Hopefully indian iphones stay in india.

I said this before,I won’t pay premium for my devices if they are made in India.
I much prefer China,Vietnam (like Samsung phones),etc but not India.
I will ditch iPhone and move Android,if they do that.won’t miss much anyway.

 

[visusomanchi]

I wonder why Apple doesn't consider Mexico as a factory? It's so close and this would keep it in our Western Hemisphere and certainly cheaper labor and training could be supervised so much easier.

Actually Apple finally did what it was supposed to do couple of years back. India will be next biggest market for Apple in next 5 to 10 years. Given the size of the Indian market Apple is already late in the game where Chinese smartphones makers are dominating the Indian market by establishing manufacturing plants and R&D centers.
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I said this before,I won’t pay premium for my devices if they are made in India.
I much prefer China,Vietnam (like Samsung phones),etc but not India.
I will ditch iPhone and move Android,if they do that.won’t miss much anyway.

Samsung has it worlds largest mobile factory in India.

 

[weckart]

India is the only place where you can still get an iPhone SE and iPhone 6S since they are still being manufactured there. They need to export the iPhone SE to America then sales would be booming there.

They can't have been booming before otherwise Apple would still be selling them there. People always seem to conflate "I want" with "the market wants".

 

[justperry]

Actually Apple finally did what it was supposed to do couple of years back. India will be next biggest market for Apple in next 5 to 10 years. Given the size of the Indian market Apple is already late in the game where Chinese smartphones makers are dominating the Indian market by establishing manufacturing plants and R&D centers.
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Samsung has it worlds largest mobile factory in India.

It won't, quite a few reasons for this, laws are restricting, don't see any major change here, education, as long as education says at the levels/quality they are now it won't change, caste system is another one and don't forget most of Indians are dirt poor, this won't change within even 2 or more decades.

 

[nexusrule]

India and China both countries where, by and large, if you don't make it there, then you can't sell it there. But let the US implement that policy and everyone goes berserk. It's time we got in on the jobs, otherwise no one in the US will be able to afford Apple products. It's time we progressed and became like the world leaders India and China.

Why would you want those jobs? It's the opposite of how capitalism works. The higher paid, non-manual labours that requires higher levels of education in the western world, the lower paid, manual labours moving to developing countries.

Do you want tens of millions of Americans working on assembly lines while the number of researchers, scientists, engineer in developing countries keeps growing more and more? To what end? Replace those countries and let them take your place? Doesn't look smart to me.

What US should do is reform their educational system, the only one among the western civilised countries, where you have to be rich or accept to live in debt for most of your life if you want a decent education. Not to go back to coal mines, 19th-like century assembly lines and such.

There are less and less poor countries to exploit as the world advance, now you have to compete, and you don't compete going back, if you want to keep high living standards, you compete going forward. If you want to compete with China on who has more factory workers, once you have all these millions of people building electronic devices for low salaries, devices that will cost more than now anyway due to the different cost of live and wages levels, who will be left to buy them anyway?

I thought U.S.A. citizens loved capitalism, but capitalism only works when you are able to keep producing more and more wealth, and that requires higher and higher levels of education and specialisation, not protectionism and clinging to jobs on the brink of extinction or that due to law of economics have moved to poorer countries.
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It won't, quite a few reasons for this, laws are restricting, don't see any major change here, education, as long as education says at the levels/quality they are now it won't change, caste system is another one and don't forget most of Indians are dirt poor, this won't change within even 2 or more decades.

There are plenty of Indians in my company, a big tech company in a rich western country, that don't come from rich families, have studied in public universities, and are now engineers making twice the average national salary of the above mentioned rich western country. I think what you know is a bit outdated.

 

[danny842003]

I said this before,I won’t pay premium for my devices if they are made in India.
I much prefer China,Vietnam (like Samsung phones),etc but not India.
I will ditch iPhone and move Android,if they do that.won’t miss much anyway.

What’s better about Vietnam than India?

 

[monster620ie]

Why doesn't USA implement the same laws that India has in regards to manufacturing domestically? India is playing USA and winning. To think that countries like India are going to keep buying USA products at high numbers is not realistic. To say that let India manufacture and then send it to USA consumers like it has been done now is not going to work out in the the long. As many said, USA consumers will soon not be able to afford anything - living on credit is going to end at some point. (Everything i said about India applies to China etc as well)

 

[Aniruddh]

It won't, quite a few reasons for this, laws are restricting, don't see any major change here, education, as long as education says at the levels/quality they are now it won't change, caste system is another one and don't forget most of Indians are dirt poor, this won't change within even 2 or more decades.

No India related thread gets away without bashing here, isn't it?

You speak as if you know everything about India but your words have lot of negativity.

as long as education says at the levels/quality they are now it won't change

There is a reason why Indians are taking American jobs, I am not proud of that. We call it brain drain here.

I tell you what, you will remain ignorant for decades and world will change in front of your eyes and you will ask yourself "How did that happen?".

 

[visusomanchi]

It won't, quite a few reasons for this, laws are restricting, don't see any major change here, education, as long as education says at the levels/quality they are now it won't change, caste system is another one and don't forget most of Indians are dirt poor, this won't change within even 2 or more decades.

I am an Indian I lived in US as well as India so I am qualified enough to state the real facts.

Irony is most of the western world does not know the ground realities in India. India was one of the most productive and richest countries before British Invasion. Caste system was there for centuries and India flourished well even with the caste system. India is on the path to reclaim their lost position during British rule.

Education in India is more accessible to people and unlike your assumption quality is good but I will not say it is excellent. Indians will be competing with tens of millions of students across the country to get admissions into colleges/Universities and that develops very high competitive spirit among the students which makes them better prepared to succeed in the competitive world irrespective of the quality of education. India had world's best universities like Nalanda, Takshashila, Vikaramshila which were destroyed by greedy invaders and India is on the right track in creating some of the best universities it is just matter of few more decades to reclaim that lost position.

Innovation and Education are part of Indian DNA.

Given the size of Indian population if 20-25% of the people can afford the high end smart phones which is achievable in next 5-10 years it will be almost the size of entire US population and companies cannot ignore that market.

 

[cableguy84]

Would prefer to see these made in europe/usa. Probably won’t happen though

 

[justperry]

I am an Indian I lived in US as well as India so I am qualified enough to state the real facts.

Irony is most of the western world does not know the ground realities in India. India was one of the most productive and richest countries before British Invasion. Caste system was there for centuries and India flourished well even with the caste system. India is on the path to reclaim their lost position during British rule.

Education in India is more accessible to people and unlike your assumption quality is good but I will not say it is excellent. Indians will be competing with tens of millions of students across the country to get admissions into colleges/Universities and that develops very high competitive spirit among the students which makes them better prepared to succeed in the competitive world irrespective of the quality of education. India had world's best universities like Nalanda, Takshashila, Vikaramshila which were destroyed by greedy invaders and India is on the right track in creating some of the best universities it is just matter of few more decades to reclaim that lost position.

Innovation and Education are part of Indian DNA.

Given the size of Indian population if 20-25% of the people can afford the high end smart phones which is achievable in next 5-10 years it will be almost the size of entire US population and companies cannot ignore that market.

We'll see in 5 years then, 5 years is nothing.

Why would you want those jobs? It's the opposite of how capitalism works. The higher paid, non-manual labours that requires higher levels of education in the western world, the lower paid, manual labours moving to developing countries.

Do you want tens of millions of Americans working on assembly lines while the number of researchers, scientists, engineer in developing countries keeps growing more and more? To what end? Replace those countries and let them take your place? Doesn't look smart to me.

What US should do is reform their educational system, the only one among the western civilised countries, where you have to be rich or accept to live in debt for most of your life if you want a decent education. Not to go back to coal mines, 19th-like century assembly lines and such.

There are less and less poor countries to exploit as the world advance, now you have to compete, and you don't compete going back, if you want to keep high living standards, you compete going forward. If you want to compete with China on who has more factory workers, once you have all these millions of people building electronic devices for low salaries, devices that will cost more than now anyway due to the different cost of live and wages levels, who will be left to buy them anyway?

I thought U.S.A. citizens loved capitalism, but capitalism only works when you are able to keep producing more and more wealth, and that requires higher and higher levels of education and specialisation, not protectionism and clinging to jobs on the brink of extinction or that due to law of economics have moved to poorer countries.
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There are plenty of Indians in my company, a big tech company in a rich western country, that don't come from rich families, have studied in public universities, and are now engineers making twice the average national salary of the above mentioned rich western country. I think what you know is a bit outdated.

Indians in India on the other hand (This is about India, not anywhere else) don't make that kind of money.

The majority of Indians are still poor, fact.

No India related thread gets away without bashing here, isn't it?

You speak as if you know everything about India but your words have lot of negativity.



There is a reason why Indians are taking American jobs, I am not proud of that. We call it brain drain here.

I tell you what, you will remain ignorant for decades and world will change in front of your eyes and you will ask yourself "How did that happen?".

I also said nice things about India in an earlier post.

Don't know everything, there's truth in what I said, whether you like it or not.

 

[visusomanchi]

We'll see in 5 years then, 5 years is nothing.

I am in India right now and last visited in 2013. I can see significant difference in Indian standard of living in the last 5 years. As on today most of the services offered by Apple are not useful in India where as Samsung and other Chinese smartphone makers have designed and developed Indian specific digitization apps. Most of the Chinese companies are setting up R&D centers and manufacturing plants in India and American companies are just catching up with that trend by expanding their R&D and development centers in India and in the next couple years it is going to happen much faster due to reverse brain drain from US due to restriction on immigration. There will be more and more jobs available which is going to further increase purchasing power of the people.

There are phones from manufacturers like One plus, Samsung, Xiaomi, Realme, Honor, Huawei who make powerful Value for money products with relevant apps for India. Apple needs to invest on R&D for India to make it relevant for the Indian market. Apple had finally started development center in India and is expanding it.