Apple Partners With Imagine Dragons and One4 Project to Aid in Refugee Relief Efforts

[sudo1996]

France occupied Syria in the early 1920s, right after the Turks (Ottoman Empire). They both sucked.

I'm sure the creation and support of Israel played a role too. Why do they hate the western powers, or more broadly, western influence? What drives so many people to join terrorist organizations? They're different from the rebels who fought the governments of Assad and other MENA nations.

Netanyahu is happy about this civil war. They're fighting each other instead of their common enemy. Probably asking the U.S. to only fight ISIS enough to keep them balanced with the other combatants.

 

[thekev]

Syria is #68 in global oil production - a mere 33,000 b/day - hardly a blip on the production charts.

I can't verify those numbers right now, but you're looking at it from an unimportant perspective. He was pointing out looting which affects the Syrian people and their economy. The absolute size of their economy wasn't a point of contention there.

 

[jkcerda]

I'm sure the creation and support of Israel played a role too. Why do they hate the United States? What drives so many people to join terrorist organizations?

we bomb the crap out of them, killing civilians in the process whom have no option but to become "terrorist" in order to get any measure of "justice".
we support their dictators
when they try to do something about their dictators we get involved in their affairs

 

[kwikdeth]

we bomb the crap out of them, killing civilians in the process whom have no option but to become "terrorist" in order to get any measure of "justice".
we support their dictators
when they try to do something about their dictators we get involved in their affairs

Exactly. And you also get guys like Hussein, who for as horrible as he was, kept guys like members of ISIS in check. It was one of the known fears for the handful of people who didn't turn into raging islamaphobes post 9/11, that removing Hussein from power would just create a vacuum in which all these groups would thrive. Honestly the best thing the world could do would be investing in alternative fuels, no need for oil = no need to have any involvement in that part of the world.

Back to topic I couldn't care less about ID. just backpatting themselves for " raising awareness", like I don't see this every time I watch the news or go to a news site.
Have Apple make some donations themselves off that massive cash hoard they have, then I would be genuinely moved. I wonder if it's more than Syria's GDP...

 

[Apple Corps]

I can't verify those numbers right now, but you're looking at it from an unimportant perspective. He was pointing out looting which affects the Syrian people and their economy. The absolute size of their economy wasn't a point of contention there.

My question - generated by his bold statement - is what was looted by whom? A lot of heat on the topic but not much light.

He was referencing the oil - that is why he posted the maps of the oil fields and pipelines - yes?

 

[Sedulous]

So do refugees return home at some point? Not sure of the wisdom of the current European free for all. Also not sure why it makes sense for people to seek out a new home in the least familiar environment. They likely do not know the language, much different climate, different culture, etc.. Likewise, I resent the assertion that this crisis is a western responsibility. The warfare in Syria most definitely not caused by the "west". Why are some of the insanely wealthy nearby nations like AUE, Kuwait, Saudia Arabia, Dubai, etc. not offering to host most of these refugees? They have funds for building artificial islands, mostly empty skyscrapers, and a police force that drives lamborghinis but cannot offer shelter for fellow Muslims? Yet the west is getting criticized for being reticent to suddenly take in a million refugees. Rediculous.

I have no issue with sending help. But I HATE the coercion.

 

[dav1dd]

So do refugees return home at some point? Not sure of the wisdom of the current European free for all. Also not sure why it makes sense for people to seek out a new home in the least familiar environment. They likely do not know the language, much different climate, different culture, etc.. Likewise, I resent the assertion that this crisis is a western responsibility. The warfare in Syria most definitely not caused by the "west". Why are some of the insanely wealthy nearby nations like AUE, Kuwait, Saudia Arabia, Dubai, etc. not offering to host most of these refugees? They have funds for building artificial islands, mostly empty skyscrapers, and a police force that drives lamborghinis but cannot offer shelter for fellow Muslims? Yet the west is getting criticized for being reticent to suddenly take in a million refugees. Rediculous.

I have no issue with sending help. But I HATE the coercion.

It's what has been referred to as 'white genocide'.

 

[.Andy]

So do refugees return home at some point?

The Puritans fleeing religious persecution seem to have settled in.

 

[thekev]

My question - generated by his bold statement - is what was looted by whom? A lot of heat on the topic but not much light.

He was referencing the oil - that is why he posted the maps of the oil fields and pipelines - yes?

Yes I got that. I thought you were being disingenuous, as you had no trouble believing that charities allocate 90% to administrative costs. Charities themselves often have complexities in both donations and spending. Sometimes people make structured donations where the value has to be estimated. It's not always easy to tell.

Anyway regarding oil, I didn't make the same claim as him as I haven't reviewed a lot of details on that topic. What I pointed out is that you immediately tried to downplay their reliance on it simply because they are not a large exporter compared to many of their neighbors.

The thread in general irks me quite a bit. People insinuated from the first page that you must be of low socioeconomic status to qualify as a refugee. Things like smartphones provide little to no indication to me what they were able to bring or what remains for them in their home countries. If they felt safe there, I doubt they would have left.

 

[Keane16]

Does Apple get to keep their 30% or whatever off each song purchase? Just curious.

No more curiosity. From the article:

"both Imagine Dragons and Apple have confirmed that all proceeds from its sales will go toward relief efforts."

 

[ginkobiloba]

Were you also appalled by the rapes of 1400 young girls by British Muslims? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal Please tell us your address so we can direct a saintly "refugee" family your way. Or just a group of young men who courageously left their wives and children back at the battlefront so they could come sign up for welfare in Europe. "I'll be right back hun!"

You're right. 5 men caught in criminal activities. That definitely qualifies as proof that millions of men , women, and children from the same nationality/religion are the same criminals. Thank "god" we have brilliant minds such as yours. We should apply that excellent logical thinking to all nations/skin colors/religions.

So while at it, also do eject from earth all whites and christians for slaughtering/raping/enslaving hundreds of millions of jews, blacks , and american indians ( who probably don't qualify as a part of the human race for you.).
In fact , just have all christians, muslims and jews, all blacks and all whites, all men women and children ejected from earth , and we'll be fine.
And yes, that includes you, unless you're a mutant octopus. ( No, wearing your freshly ironed Klu Klux Klan costume doesn't make you a conehead alien )

 

[Tiger8]

I'm sure the creation and support of Israel played a role too. Why do they hate the western powers, or more broadly, western influence? What drives so many people to join terrorist organizations? They're different from the rebels who fought the governments of Assad and other MENA nations.

Netanyahu is happy about this civil war. They're fighting each other instead of their common enemy. Probably asking the U.S. to only fight ISIS enough to keep them balanced with the other combatants.

Putting aside Israel, The Middle East relationship is complicated with the West. It really depends on how far in the past you wanna go; but it seems to date back to Post World War I when Arabs assisted England and France in the war, were promised their freedom of the Ottoman Empire, and what happened? They get immediately occupied by both countries. older generation still remembers being kids in the occupation (most countries got their independence in the 50s and 60s). Palestinian / Israeli conflict definitely plays a key role, since many people had to leave their home in 1948 and 1967. A lot of people believe that the UK played the dirtiest role of all in this particular one.

So really, you are talking about a broken 100+ year relationship.

 

[Edgar Spayce]

What resources have been looted by whom in Syria?

The fact that you ask, either means that you are a completely ignorant person OR a very hypocritical trump/bush-like war-monger.

The whole Syrian conflict is based on pipeline routes territory and gaz resources. The US, alongside France, UK, Saudia Arabia etc...literally (I mean there was doubt a month ago, but not now that the U.N and Russian officials have released proofs) created, financed and armed ISIS, to destroy Syria.

Which is nothing new, it's not like they didn't displace, injure and kill millions of citizens in Afghanistan, Irak, Libya etc...by destroying sovereign countries to steal their territory and resources so that disgusting over-consuming, over-wasting, polluting and often racist white people could buy new iPhones, move in big cars/cart, water their garden etc...

 

[Apple Corps]

Yes I got that. I thought you were being disingenuous, as you had no trouble believing that charities allocate 90% to administrative costs. Charities themselves often have complexities in both donations and spending. Sometimes people make structured donations where the value has to be estimated. It's not always easy to tell.

Anyway regarding oil, I didn't make the same claim as him as I haven't reviewed a lot of details on that topic. What I pointed out is that you immediately tried to downplay their reliance on it simply because they are not a large exporter compared to many of their neighbors.

The thread in general irks me quite a bit. People insinuated from the first page that you must be of low socioeconomic status to qualify as a refugee. Things like smartphones provide little to no indication to me what they were able to bring or what remains for them in their home countries. If they felt safe there, I doubt they would have left.

At the core of my thinking is a view that it is too easy for many to grab onto purely economic motives for what America does in the foreign policy venue. I'm glad we kicked Saddam out of Kuwait - blatant invasion of another country. America - in many ways - borrowed money from China to pay for the military intervention. I'm confident we had some "protecting the global oil supply" in mind, but stopping a blatant invasion from that dictator was every bit as much at play. On balance, America's foreign policy / military intervention in that entire region has been a disaster, and remains so. The loss of American lives, life altering injuries to many more, huge national financial costs, massive destruction to the existing populations and the removal of their old dictator order being replaced by some chaotic whatever is a massive failure in foreign policy and humanity. Why that part of the world remains mired in so much tribal / religious / whatever cause of violence remains a critical question. There is far more at play than just western economic interests.

 

[Apple Corps]

The fact that you ask, either means that you are a completely ignorant person OR a very hypocritical trump/bush-like war-monger.

The whole Syrian conflict is based on pipeline routes territory and gaz resources. The US, alongside France, UK, Saudia Arabia etc...literally (I mean there was doubt a month ago, but not now that the U.N and Russian officials have released proofs) created, financed and armed ISIS, to destroy Syria.

Which is nothing new, it's not like they didn't displace, injure and kill millions of citizens in Afghanistan, Irak, Libya etc...by destroying sovereign countries to steal their territory and resources so that disgusting over-consuming, over-wasting, polluting and often racist white people could buy new iPhones, move in big cars/cart, water their garden etc...

So, you set up the premise that one is either ignorant or hypocritical - not much hope for engaging you in a productive exchange of views me thinks.

 

[SarcasticJoe]

we bomb the crap out of them, killing civilians in the process whom have no option but to become "terrorist" in order to get any measure of "justice".
we support their dictators
when they try to do something about their dictators we get involved in their affairs

Let's not forget about how the U.S has been arming and training militant Islamists that then taken part in all kinds of war crimes including acts of genocide. The first arms the U.S sent to Syria ended up in the hands of ISIS, which has it's origins in Islamist groups fighting the U.S lead occupation of Iraq (the U.S even detained it's leader, Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, at one point but then released him). On the subject of ISIS let's not forget how much U.S supplied military equipment ISIS was able to pilfer from Iraqi army depots when the Iraqi army turned tail and ran as soon as they heard ISIS was coming. Most recently the CIA trained "Mujahedin 2.0" ended up giving a good chunk of their CIA supplied arms to Al Nusra, an Islamist group that has itself confirmed it's role in several massacres where it's captured and executed civilians, in return for safe passage.

The U.S did a pretty good job at putting the things it blew to pieces back after WW2, but looking at it's track record past that it seems to have lost the knack for putting things back together...

 

[scottsjack]

Imagine if Yellowstone or some other natural disaster struck the US and people were forced to leave. Families in Mexico, Canada "Oh no I don't want one of them warmongers/[whatever stereotype you wish to use] living with us".

Christians from America would be far less disruptive to Mexico or Canada than Muslims from anywhere.

 

[0098386]

Christians from America would be far less disruptive to Mexico or Canada than Muslims from anywhere.

Why's that? We see what american christians do and it isn't pleasant. Bombing abortion centres, the KKK (more here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism). I don't want you people to leave your country, leave the rest of the world alone.

 

[0098386]

So do refugees return home at some point?

It's up to them.

My grandfather came over to England from Poland as a refugee. After a successful life he had homes here, in Poland, and across Europe. I guess refugees have some good options ahead of them - should the situation in their homeland be improved. I personally hope it does because can you imagine fleeing a warzone?

 

[Altis]

Maybe I'm just being naive....but what exactly is this supposed to prove to me?

Oh! I get it! Because refugees aren't allowed to have non-tattered clothes, or smartphones....or to smile for that matter. The audacity of them!

The reality is that some 80% of the "refugees" are economic migrants from about 20 different countries.

They aren't in danger, they throw away all the aid packages, they cross numerous safe countries to get to the welfare states of Germany and Sweden. And by law, those seeking refuge must do so in the first safe country they arrive in.

 

[sudo1996]

Why's that? We see what american christians do and it isn't pleasant. Bombing abortion centres, the KKK (more here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism). I don't want you people to leave your country, leave the rest of the world alone.

Terrorism by (so-called) Christians is not publicized as much.

 

[Renzatic]

Terrorism by (so-called) Christians is not publicized as much.

Honestly, Christian terrorism doesn't happen all that often anymore. The KKK's still around, but they're mostly griping about the vaguely beige stealing their jobs and waving the confederate flag around than they are burning crosses on peoples lawns these days.

Though with the recent "we're being oppressed" narrative that's going on these days, it wouldn't surprise me if someone eventually snaps from all the fear that's being mongered on them.

 

[Mums]

Can you reference this please?

It's original research. Something real men do.

 

[Mums]

This is an inappropriate generalization. It also misstates the amount officially allocated to administration. This varies across charities. The Red Cross claims roughly 10% goes to administrative expenses. They had a disclaimer of sort post-Katrina that some amount of donations to a specific cause often go to help less well known causes. I cannot find anything to even remotely substantiate a claim of 90% administrative expenses. Like many others in these threads, you're coming up with your own numbers without any credible source of information.



This is something I don't really understand. How do you correlate socioeconomic status within their country of origin with refugee status?

I like your beard. You just go on defending big charities. It will do us all so much good.

 

[Mums]

10% of something is better than 100% of nothing, no one else seems to care.

Care? "Charity" is how the powers-that-be keep there money - it's an esoteric spiritual function of pandering to the peasantry in exchange for the retention of power and wealth.