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Apple Passes Nokia and Holds Off Samsung to Become World's Top Smartphone Vendor
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And something that was thrown out of court what? Two decades ago? Second, they did not invent the icon (or placing icons in a grid), so what look and feel are we discussing here - really?
p.s. ill end this discussion prematurely by providing exhibit a:
Oh, what does it say in the corner? Xerox? No way!! Apple invented that!1!
edit: Might state, for the record, that the first samsung galaxy was such a blatant rip-off form-wise that i refused to buy it despite it being a killer device.
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Ironic, given that the only connection between the Mac and iPhone is the company that makes them. Oh, and the mangy Lion becoming less Mac-like.
Analogy is somewhat flawed though, Betamax was in fact the superior product technology-wise. Saying the same about Apples offering is a far stretch at best.
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Most of Samsung's legal troubles with Apple (starting with a judge ordering them to hand over their infringing products to Apple) arise from "look and feel BS.) It's not a joke.
Samsung are not just suspected copycats. They are proven copycats. And we're not talking a couple of interface elements here. They went to incredible lengths. The question is just how far and deeply they went, and just how many products are infringing.
I'd be impressed with Samsung of they released the iPhone in 2007. As it stands, even the OS on their phones (mostly Android) is also based on an agglomeration of infringements, and not just against Apple.
The entire Google smartphone ecosystem is a complete sham. It's based on lies, thievery, and ad-peddling.
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Most of Samsung's legal troubles with Apple (starting with a judge ordering them to hand over their infringing products to Apple) arise from "look and feel BS.) It's not a joke.
Samsung are not just suspected copycats. They are proven copycats. And we're not talking a couple of interface elements here. They went to incredible lengths. The question is just how far and deeply they went, and just how many products are infringing.
I'd be impressed with Samsung of they released the iPhone in 2007. As it stands, even the OS on their phones (mostly Android) is also based on an agglomeration of infringements, and not just against Apple.
The entire Google smartphone ecosystem is a complete sham. It's based on lies, thievery, and ad-peddling.
I got the analogy, just pointed out one flaw in it (which in the end is quite fundamental if one investigates the reasons as to why VHS - the inferior solution - won the platform war of the time in question -- a point i did not intend to make, or expect anyone to really take notice of).
That wastebasket looks like a pair of underpants.And something that was thrown out of court what? Two decades ago? Second, they did not invent the icon (or placing icons in a grid), so what look and feel are we discussing here - really?
p.s. ill end this discussion prematurely by providing exhibit a:
Oh, what does it say in the corner? Xerox? No way!! Apple invented that!1!
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This is an Apple-centric site.
The real story here *is* Apple. They're doing all this with one or at most two phones, using an OS that isn't licensed out to every vendor that can slam together a box.
These folks need to sell all kinds of handsets at all price points just to compete with Apple's at most two iPhone models. That's how impressive Apple's walled garden is. Not some OEM pushing someone else's OS.
bminata said:Poh! So typical to see everything with Apple tinted glasses.
The bigger story should've been Samsung's jump in marketshare which dwarves Apple's.
And I use MBP and iPhone
This is an Apple-centric site.
The real story here *is* Apple. They're doing all this with one or at most two phones, using an OS that isn't licensed out to every vendor that can slam together a box.
These folks need to sell all kinds of handsets at all price points just to compete with Apple's at most two iPhone models. That's how impressive Apple's walled garden is. Not some OEM pushing someone else's OS.
Yes, Apple becoming the worlds biggest smartphone vendor, selling over 20 million phones in 3 months is exactly like Betamax vs VHS. Are you an analogy proffesional?
They weren't ordered to hand over "infringing" products, that wasn't a ruling, it was so that Apple could investigate closer whether upcoming Samsung products may be infringing. Squat has been proven so far.
No you wouldn't, you'd be ridiculing it for the lack of basic modern functionality such as 3G and 3rd-party apps, dismissed multi-touch as a pointless gimmick and called glass a poor design choice for durability. You would've also arbitrarily call it ugly junk and never even try it.
You'd jump at the chance to criticize these things had it been any other company than Apple. I remember you saying in some thread "Apple has done everything right for the last few years" which is a laughable statement.
You've proven again and again that your preconception that Apple == our saviours, every one else == crap, clowns, junk (whatever your word of the day is), is set firmly in stone and has no chance of changing no matter what.
You still haven't given me one example, a blanket statement such as "oh, it's just so much" doesn't count.
That is a bunch of bull. iPhone is the top selling phone and iOS is the top mobile platform in many countries in Europe. Apple is exploding outside the U.S..
Couple of things to keep in mind people:
Samsung is not releasing phone or tablet sales data. What data is this flawed post even talking about? The same faulty data that every other android vendor utilzes: Surveys trying to guess at shipped numbers. We don't know how many phones Samsung actually sold.
Samsung is huge in South Korea where the company was effective in having the South Korean government ban the sale of iPhone in South Korea only until late last year. No wonder they "sold" so many phones.
Don't be so gullible.
What? How is two phones beating all others a sad state of affairs?
I would hate to think what it would be like if Android or iOS was the only smart phone OS to choose from. Thank goodness there are options. Choose what you like and enjoy, but don't slam me because I like something else.
Poh! So typical to see everything with Apple tinted glasses.
The bigger story should've been Samsung's jump in marketshare which dwarves Apple's.
And I use MBP and iPhone
Perhaps you would prefer to focus on Samsungs alarming plunge in profits due to its desperate race to the bottom, but this is an Apple site.
samsung's progress is f*cken amazing, but not that surprising. I saw on one website that the samsung galaxy s2 is outselling the iphone 4 in the uk and korea, and the S1 was meant to be a success in australia and germany.
apple's success is also amazing, not as amazing as a 500% growth obviously, but jesus crist just look at how successful the iphone has become
it's amazing such a simple phone which is basically a wall of apps on a phone could be the most wanted phone in the world!
I agree the growth is amazing from both companies. The "apps" have driven Apple to what it is today in terms of hardware sales. Without the explosive growth in the app store and success of great apps the iPhone and iPad would not be nearly as good. Just as the tablet makers on the Android side are feeling the sting of the lack of quality apps for tablets. Samsung is selling a ton of phones because the Android phone market place is well flushed out with apps and Samsung, imo, makes quality products in most cases.
a) Samsung is _one_ vendor
b) Samsungs smartphone sales are dominated by "one or at most two phones", applying MR-math (Galaxy I and II, the latter showing impressive growth by far outselling GI which was a success in its own right).
c) Selling a phone in competition with "every vendor that can slam together a box" is usually harder, not easier; differentiation-issues and margin-pressure are somewhat synonymous with such business environments.
d) One could easily make the argument that there is a trade-off in the proposed strategies. "Just selling one line" isn't necessarily something bad (if it was, wouldnt Apple be stupid?). Conversely, more devices, and reaching out to more segments of the market, isn't necessarily something that boosts your sales. Hence, any attempt to lessen either party's achievement by reference to number of devices is a failed attempt.
Clean ones by the look of it too
Yup, were in luck; the "trashbin" is empty today (well, at least it was at the time, November 12(?) 1976).
I never get why this is seen as positive for Apple. Its an admission that they have a one huge R&D department, one software team, one hardware team, one marketing team, all of whom have the SOLE aim of getting an iPhone out (which, incidentally, is also a box). Compare this to Samsung who have to divide their resources amongst many different phone and yet still have bigger growth than Apple.
Oh and FYI, stop peddling the lie that Samsung lost any case against Apple and that they have been proven to use IP without consent. This is incorrect.
Except that isn't true at all. Here in Japan the iPhone is easily the number 1 smartphone, boosting record profits for Softbank, even though it is the worst carrier, and proving all those who said that the iPhone would never become popular in the highly xenophobic Japanese markets wrong. It is now quite amusing to watch the two 'big' carriers getting increasingly desperate to keep hold of their remaining customers. Though I have also met a small number of Japanese who tell me they too have an iPhone .... only it's made by Samsung! Now, that's brand leadership for you.
Because it works and Apple is doing it. What's not to get here? They are working to provide experience and they will do everything that needs to be done. They won't be selling computers and hamburgers just in case.
Sounds reasonable in theory, but it's not true.
http://www.onlinemarketing-trends.com/2011/04/smartphone-marketshare-2011-italyus-aus.html
Unless the Galaxy S1 and S2 are 70% of Android sales in Germany, they haven't even surpassed the iPhone in market share, let alone install base. And that doesn't even consider the iPod.
Apple not selling computers? I smell fraudsters, somebody call the cops!
p.s. Yes it works; it is one viable strategy. But as such, one cannot really use this as an argument in favor of apple when one refers to sales. In short, one cannot say that Apple has achieved X despite just selling one (line of) phone(s).