But you're admitting that Apple have MASSIVE resources directed at ONE product and still only just beat Samsung who have to divide their resources amongst several different mobile products. Either Apple aren't efficient in their manufacture of the iPhone or Samsung are doing incredibly well.
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But you're admitting that Apple have MASSIVE resources directed at ONE product and still only just beat Samsung who have to divide their resources amongst several different mobile products. Either Apple aren't efficient in their manufacture of the iPhone or Samsung are doing incredibly well.
When are Nokia shareholders going to hold a vote of no confidence in the Nokia board then? A drop from 38% to 15% in a single year shows abysmal performance.
Seems to be a two-way street as Apple infringes patents on their OS X platform.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/27/apple-mac-os-x-infringes-on-htc-owned-s3-patents-itc-rules/
I said Apple won't be selling computers and hamburgers. I think it's pretty clear.
Samsung has to divide their resources amongst several different mobile products? Why? Reality is that they choose to.
More reality:
Samsung R&D: $22.6 Billion
http://www.edn.com/article/509015-Samsung_invests_22_6B_in_R_D_capex_adds_10_000_jobs.php
Apple R&D: $1.6 Billion
And that ignores the fact that Apple has to invest a lot more in software development that Samsung.
Samsung isn't infringing on patents, it's infringing on trademarks and more. By the way, HTC bought that patent THIS MONTH, and it's closely related to video drivers, that's a little ridiculous to even attempt to compare.
The failure of Betamax was due to the limited availability of third party content ("videos") compared to VHS. The main limiting factor wasn't manufacturing (both VHS and Beta copies of commercial videos were made initially) but distribution (stores and rental places couldn't afford the shelf space to stock both).
Is something like that happening in the smartphone space? For example, are third-party developers abandoning the iOS platform to support Android?
Did I miss this in the news?
Is that one product the iPad or the iPhone? It's fairly obvious that, since Apple had greater profits with less sales previously, they are the most efficient of the bunch.
Don't even try to compare.
Those S3 patents are small potatoes. All patents are not created equal.
Any attempt to equate the two S3 patents purchased by HTC and the two Apple patents that HTC infringes upon is laughable. Not all patents are the same. It isn't 2-2. You have to look at WHAT is patented. Apple's patents for data-detection and data transmission are a helluva lot harder to work around than HTC's purchased compression patents.
HTC is going to have to use some other patents than the four at issue in the current proceedings in order to put Apple under serious pressure. Right now it seems that the validity of those four S3 patents is uncertain. At worst, it might come to Apple simply equipping Macs with Nvidia chips. iDevices aren't even affected. In light of all this, Apple can apparently keep pursuing their multiple lawsuits against HTC.
And they'll be relentless in doing it. Rightfully so.
Since Germans are in the middle of Europe, they tend to believe they are at the center of the world. I think this has gotten worse since Germany re-united and became a "normal" nation again. I've been to Germany many times and I find Germans to be as provinicial as any other group, and probably worse than average.
Quite natural that sales drop when you pretty much abandon ship and the only device you release in the end is pretty much DOA. Drop was expected and shouldnt have come as a shock to anyone. In fact, its quite amazing that they still managed to sell as many devices that they did, considering.
Nokia will be back. It might cost them a few billions, but they will be back. Hasta la vista, baby!
Interesting, I just found it extremely hypocritical that the guy was assuming most Americans are only thinking about the US market and don't realize that the rest of the world doesn't act American. The rest of the world acts more American than they think - as was displayed by the generalization of about 300 million people with his last comment.
Then there's the assumption that his area of Germany must be like the rest of Germany, all very American if you ask me.
Lets compare apples and honey shall we? Were not discussing market share of Apple vs Samsung when it comes to software, LCD-screens or SSD:s. Were discussing smart-phone shares. Your numbers (at least the first one, i havent checked the second one) is totally irrelevant for this context.
p.s. as stated Apple then chooses not to. Still not a valid argument, and so far only Apple-heads have tried to make it.
That's really a big accomplishment. To think that just a few short years ago, Apple wasn't even in this business. And look at them now-- top of the heap.
My dad bought a vacation home off Apple stock profits!
My dad bought a vacation home off Apple stock profits!
True, but it's not "American" to project one's own beliefs onto others. It's a common cognitive condition of the human brain. We do it to empathize (put our self's in other people's shoes.) But we also do it to draw lines in the sand and define who the "other's" are. Again, another cognitive mechanism from our days as tribes. Today's analogues aren't as simple as Countries. It's much more commonly divided amongst socioeconomic realities. The richer and more educated you are, the more likely (not destined) to view the world globally and with nuance. The less educated and less wealthy, the more insular your opinions tend to be, because you commonly need to rely on a close knit group of locals for your sense of security and belonging.
But to generalize and follow the pattern-- it's safe to say "American sentiment," when vocalized by people from other countries, is the cavalier nationalistic attitude of the rural conservative. Texas, in other words. ;-)
Not irrelevant, but indirect. Obviously, we have no direct evidence of R&D expenditures on smartphones alone. The person I responded to was making the baseless point that Apple was able to make massive R&D investments in a single product, while it's competitor is forced to divide it's investments among multiple products.
My post was simply to point out that that Samsung (for example) has an R&D budget that dwarfs Apple's. Apple doesn't have an R&D investment advantage over Samsung. They are simply better at it. And again, Apple's R&D is divided between hardware and software. Software is where a great deal of the innovation is in smartphones. Google supplies that free of charge for Samsung.
I didn't make that argument, so I'm not sure what your point is.
The failure of Betamax was due to the limited availability of third party content ("videos") compared to VHS. The main limiting factor wasn't manufacturing (both VHS and Beta copies of commercial videos were made initially) but distribution (stores and rental places couldn't afford the shelf space to stock both).
Is something like that happening in the smartphone space? For example, are third-party developers abandoning the iOS platform to support Android?
This is the "point i did not try to make" in my earlier comment regarding this analogy. However, in this respect the analogy fits neither way, as both platforms have nice backing and a fully functioning eco-system running.
As for abandoning, some naturally will due to commodization effects which leads to margin-pressure, but thats irrelevant as far as the analogy goes.
The article actually says:
But also understand that building, say, a "prototype/test manufacturing plant" counts as R&D and a tax write-off in many circumstances -- even if it's not really a prototype. When reading how much companies invest in R&D, you really have to dig deep, because companies will claim anything to they can get away with for a tax write-off.
(some of the biggest R&D players are banks and oil companies, mainly because it's counted as R&D if it's something that you haven't tried before, and that you learnt something from it, and that you took a systematic approach to trying it.)
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Since Apple-fanboys are in the middle of the Macrumors community, they tend to believe Apple is at the center of the mobile industry. I think this has gotten worse since Apple dropped "computer" from their name. I've been on Apple products many times and I find Apple products to be as dull and dumb electronical devices as any other manufacturers' model, and probably worse than the average.
Couldn't resist - but you seem to know a lot about me, my family and my friends...NOT. Or as we say here
"Jede Jeck is anders"
Google a little and maybe you find some interesting info about my home city - which by the way is sometimes referred to as the most northern city of Italy considering the 'Klüngel'
Only people running around with iPhone 4 in this city -> fashion victims! And yes, I've seen a lot of outdated but shiny white ones!
As the data does not allow us to say anything about the RD invested in the technology in question id say that it is indeed irrelevant. The claim you respond to is on the other hand a fact as far as business strategy goes, with the implications that necessarily follow from it (other than that Samsung is of course not forced to do what they are doing).
As result, the conclusion made in paragraph two is non sequiteur, it does not follow. How you can not see that is mind boggling.
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I did not state that you made the argument, it was an open comment on the discussion at large.
p.s. if Apple is so much better than Samsung on R&D, why does Apple keep buying Samsung hardware? :- )
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