I think it is way too early to be focused on price manipulation. I don't think the car is anywhere close to production at this point.It'll keep coming when TSLA goes up in price. Sounds like someone trying to manipulate the price.
I think it is way too early to be focused on price manipulation. I don't think the car is anywhere close to production at this point.It'll keep coming when TSLA goes up in price. Sounds like someone trying to manipulate the price.
Things in that price range usually means, built by hand, usually you are getting quality as well, not just brand. Only Apple would charge that much for a Kia...and get away with it.I don't know about you, but I don't want to pay 200k for a Kia. They make quality cars and all, but when I'm paying 200k for a car, it's more about brand than it is quality.
Or maybe Apple leaked to get a better deal from other car companies...?Some leaked, and it wasn’t Apple. So, the discussions stop. Classic Apple playbook.
If Apple was close to closing a deal with those 2, I seriously doubt they did so with any concerns about quality. They hired quite a few automotive experts who are all highly paid and study which manufacturer builds quality vehicles. Is it so shocking to you that they determined that Hyundai and Kia were the best choice?Ok....Lexus.
Remember they were originally talking with Hyundai....and even KIA.
Toyota owns Lexus, and Lexus make very luxurious automobiles; I think they could figure it out.No way. Rumor is Apple wants something comparable to a Tesla. Apple is a luxury brand.
There are plenty of rebranded parts in expensive cars, or sharing.I don't know about you, but I don't want to pay 200k for a Kia. They make quality cars and all, but when I'm paying 200k for a car, it's more about brand than it is quality.
I mean manipulation on TSLA, not AAPL. TSLA still has a much higher short interest than AAPL, so it wouldn't surprise me that hedge funds are putting out FUD and Apple car news to stop TSLA price momentum.I think it is way too early to be focused on price manipulation. I don't think the car is anywhere close to production at this point.
Apple seems to be going for "upper mass market" with these vehicles, which is Model 3 territory if you're talking Tesla. It would also be in line with the A or C Class Mercedes-Benz, 3 Series BMW, or even upper end "normal brands" such as Toyota Avalon, Hyundai Sonata, Nissan Maxima, etc.If Apple was close to closing a deal with those 2, I seriously doubt they did so with any concerns about quality. They hired quite a few automotive experts who are all highly paid and study which manufacturer builds quality vehicles. Is it so shocking to you that they determined that Hyundai and Kia were the best choice?
There are plenty of rebranded parts in expensive cars, or sharing.
Do you really think that if Kia is working with Apple that quality is to be low.
Apple works mostly with Chinese manufacturers, Chinese make crap but also make high quality stuff.
People still do that? Even when taking a Tesla, girls still think I am a creep.I'm not talking about quality. Kia is good, but it's not a car I would drive to pick up girls.
Things in that price range usually means, built by hand, usually you are getting quality as well, not just brand. Only Apple would charge that much for a Kia...and get away with it.
As I said before, there's a lot of sharing in between car manufacturers, you sometimes see the base of a standard car shared with a luxury car, I do not have any examples here but I do know it as a fact.I'm not talking about quality. Kia is good, but it's not a car I would drive to pick up girls.
Huh. I thought girls like Teslas more than even Bugattis or Rolls Royce. Girls go crazy about Tesla, because it's "hip" and "cool".People still do that? Even when taking a Tesla, girls still think I am a creep.
Probably because they have saturated the market now, like iPhones, Macs, etc. A Bugatti on the other hand, would probably work....but it would still be me behind the wheel, so probably notHuh. I thought girls like Teslas more than even Bugattis or Rolls Royce. Girls go crazy about Tesla, because it's "hip" and "cool".
Doubt it. Bargaining would happen behind closed doors in conference rooms.Or maybe Apple leaked to get a better deal from other car companies...?
It wasn't too long ago I was seeing a lot of scoffing at the notion of Kia/Hyundai making the Apple Car, maybe that wasn't too far off...
Why? for all the bluster, Tesla makes no money selling actual cars...Why would Tesla agree to that? Tesla wants to control the entire development and production of their vehicles. There is no reason for Tesla to share profits with anyone else now that they're going 200 miles/hour and look unstoppable.
Not buying Tesla back in 2018/2019 is going to be Apple's biggest mistake.
Also those new Hyundais with the widescreen look amazing to be honest. I would consider trading in my Mercedes for one if they didn't offer below the balance of what I am still paying for.Doubt it. Bargaining would happen behind closed doors in conference rooms.
I think I'm one of the few here who isn't surprised by Apple using Hyundai/Kia. A lot of people here like brands more than the actual product.
Almost all of Tesla's profits go back into capex and R&D. I wouldn't look so much at net income to determine a grwoth company's value. You have to look at free cash flow.Why? for all the bluster, Tesla makes no money selling actual cars...
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Tesla's dirty little secret: Its net profit doesn't come from selling cars
Tesla posted its first full year of net income in 2020 -- but not because of sales to its customers.edition.cnn.com
Apple wants a profitable manufacturing pipeline to put 30% profit margins on - Tesla does not have that.
It's going to be a Kia. Just accept it.As a KIA owner.. who hates his KIA and his Wife's KIA this is GREAT news.
Literal Flaming turds with nice external designs
Rightfully so! This could be a huge mic drop for Apple, so if things are leaking this bad at preliminary talks imagine how bad it would be once the train gains momentumHyundai's announcement and other detailed rumors about Apple's negotiations with the automaker have upset Apple.