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However if they keep being attacked by various regulators and are forced to drop their commissions the money will have to come from somewhere, so it will be ads everywhere or very expensive development tools.
I'm looking forward to today's earnings call, where Apple will announce the negative-record-breaking loss due to lack of advertising.
 
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Competitors are certainly permitted to exist but to create a unique mobile OS to compete with Android and iOS, a big issue could be in having enough volume to convince companies to developer apps specifically for your OS out of the box. It is a risk even the big players (Samsung, Motorola/Lenovo, etc.) unfortunately aren't willing to take at this point.

A good thing about Android is that it at least allows some OEM and user flexibility including variants/skins/ROMs, etc.
What i meant by ‘not allowed’ is that market conditions don’t allow a viable competitor to exist. The market needs regulation to allow competitors.
 
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Anyone remember in 2009-2013 when you could just go scroll through the app store and discover interesting apps? We had a solid 4 years there where almost every app you downloaded was good, had little to no ads, and if it cost money, it was 99¢ or maybe $3 at most. Then came the in app purchases, the subscriptions, the ads that pop up every 30 seconds or after every level, the ads in the app store that made it virtually impossible to just scroll through and find apps. Now this. I definitely feel insulted as someone who has spent many thousand dollars on Apple hardware and software. When will it be enough? I understand that everything nowadays is littered with annoying ads. I guess I expected more from Apple as someone who was an early ios user. What’s next, ads on homescreen and lockscreen widgets?
I wrote an Adobe Air app that helped kids to learn arithmetic. One could sign and certify Adobe Air apps. That lasted only a short time, though, then it became XCode only. Did nothing other than put it in the App Store (I think dev fees were $20 per year then), and got about 1,500 or 1,800 downloads. That was pretty good since I never did anything to promote it. Have recently taken the time to convert it to a FOSS PWA (ActionScript -> Javascript). Still think it is a very solid app -- better than most advertised arithmetic apps. Yet it will likely never be seen much (if at all) as Apple/Google have convinced everyone that App Stores are the only source for good apps. Link (has Github links):

 
There has been ZERO benefit to the way the airline industry is run today from the passenger perspective.

As someone who traveled for the first time on a commercial flight in mid 70ties I differ. Flying is not as pleasant as it was 40 years ago and certainly not as pleasant as in the 50ties and 60ties. But it is much cheaper as it was back than,. at least in Europe and a lot more people can afford it.

Personally I would prefer a bit more comfort and I am willing to pay for business class flights, for others it might be more important to get ultra cheap flights.
 
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Not everyone who complained and got Apple to change course is an iOS developer. Especially regarding complaints involving contextually inappropriate ads (like that which I mentioned), you don’t even need to be an iOS developer to be upset by it. People dealing with addiction and those advocating for them have every right to loudly complain to Apple on that front.

And indeed, given that Apple specifically paused campaigns for specific app categories (not a huge leap to assume the other undisclosed categories are also related to addiction), that’s probably what managed to move the needle. Not so much a podcast app developer upset that gambling ads were being shown on his app’s page, although I do believe that developers who object to these apps should be able to opt out of “You Might Also Like” advertising for these possibly objectionable apps, whether that’s based on category, content/age ratings, or both.

No, I believe the majority were developers who actually contacted Apple as they are the ones most impacted and have a relationship with Apple, directly driving App Store revenue.

Immature/juvenile whines on forums do little to nothing.

Again... developers complained, Apple took notice, the problem is likely solved. All within a couple of hours. The system worked. Life goes on.

Nothing in the world, including company decisions, is 100.0% perfect 100.0% of the time.
 
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It‘s pretty clear that Apple’s push into ads is solely to increase revenues in a short term to make stock owners happy.
But what if stock owners would be against this. I may only speak for myself and by far I only have a tiny amount of Apple stock. But I could imagine there’s many Apple users also holding Apple stock, not just because its value grew so nicely in the past years. But because there is a deeper relation to this company. This is why we own part of the company. So as owner, even if just by a tiny tiny share, can and should we make ourselves somehow heard? I believe our voices should matter here, being both users and owners.
I really stand by the argument that in a long strategic term, Apple aiming to be a premium company and cluttering their UIs with ads just won’t work together in a healthy way.
Let’s stop this while it is still possible. Once it became an ongoing 10 Billion revenue stream it will be even harder to take it from their executives cold hands…
 
I really wish Apple would rethink this advertising thing. It's upsetting a lot of people. This is the first thing Apple does in a while that really makes me question the direction of the company. The main thing that makes Apple better than Google is that we felt like customers, not the product. This is a sign that may be changing.
 
This profit-maximising spree to the last cent exhausts me. Every time people push back, they come again with the next headline. I find myself less motivated to explore new apps/services when ads, iAPs and/or subscriptions await me.

Same with hardware offerings. Last week I looked at new iPads lineup and it's like solving a price discrimination experiment.
 
The ads are really invasive. It's crazy that an ad for *anything* would show up in a "You might also like" section. I agree with these developers that the ads are the anthesis of what Apple traditionally has been about.
Are they dumb too like some where the suggestions aren't even close to what you search? Search for Smurfs and get ads for Death Arena 1-4
 
I guess we're starting to see the company be more reactive than proactive. Lets just push the minimal viable product out and we'll adjust it as we get user feedback. It might be buggy, but we can iterate over it because we're agile! Of course we'll still charge the consumer the same price of a polished finished application.
 
Think back to the airline industry. Were you around in the 1980s and before? Anyone who has lived through the 1980s (and prior) and have experienced the airline industry as a passenger can tell you that the experience of airlines today is a sense of CHEAP. There has been ZERO benefit to the way the airline industry is run today from the passenger perspective. And while that was not about ads, it is about monetizing every little experience.

One benefit to consumers is lower prices. Before airline deregulation, airfare prices were much higher (adjusting for inflation) than they are today even after factoring in today's fees. While the air travel experience may have been better back then in some ways, you were paying significantly more for it.
 
Gambling and sports betting has become prominent in the US at least. Almost every tv station has ads for it now, and I've also seen almost every app I use commonly advertise betting and gambling apps. Companies and higher ups don't see an issue because there's big money involved in the space. It's just unfortunate to see Apple begin to embrace it because they do try to keep their product clean as much as possible, especially from adult content, from the App Store.
It's absolutely ridiculous since COVID started
 
I guess I’m in the minority whereas I frankly don’t care about ads in the App Store. I rarely go in there anymore, and when I do I definitely won’t be influenced to get anything in their ads. Much like anywhere I see them, they will steadfastly be ignored.
 
Ohh gambling has no ethics & no morals!... we dont want to be associated with it!

But it`s ok to track/sell people`s private data, create VERY addictive apps for children (candy crush, clash of clans, youtube), create pay to win games (diablo), advertise on addictive platforms (instagram/facebook/youtube) which are heavily associated with decreased mental health & depression. Loot boxes which are basically casino for children is fine too.... the list goes on & on....

But gambling industry?... where a company can lose a license to operate within an entire region... a license worth hundreds of millions of euros/dollars if they dont invest heavily in responsible gambling technology & teams, anti-money laundering teams, compliance teams, preventative measures for detecting addiction and loads more things.

I work in the gambling industry and i can tell you that the scum arent within our industry... they`re in yours... where youre free to do what you want... to who you want... no worrying about compliance, regulation, responsible gambling & whether you can take children`s money & get them hooked. If any of those licensed gambling companies you people are complaining about purposely let even one underage person sign up... adios. See if EA, META or whoever you work for worries about children...
 
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Hedge fund manager?
I'm thinking politicians.🤔

According to most creation myths, the world/universe was created out of chaos. Welp. Where do you think caused the chaos?🙃🙃🙃
Yet it will likely never be seen much (if at all) as Apple/Google have convinced everyone that App Stores are the only source for good apps. Link (has Github links):
On iOS, the AppStore is the only source of apps, good or bad.😒
 
Eventually they will be like MS and put ads in the OS. Apps preinstalled and in your start menu or taskbar
 
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I am losing respect for Apple when they do things like this. The commercial marketplace is a crass, vulgar place in the main, and Apple has succeeded in navigating it very well for the most part, seeming aloof while astutely playing the game.

Touting ads simply diminishes Apple's image as a purveyor of stylish, efficient and useful electronic devices that position themselves away from the main pack, and helps cheapen the Apple ecosystem.

Anything that makes Apple seem more generic and commonplace is a bad move, and the company making moves into Adland is just such an example. A poor business indeed.
 
Ads manipulate the app store rankings. Any developer with deep enough pockets can keep their app near the top indefinately. So long as they charge customers enough they can afford the crazy expensive ads tax.
 
Are they dumb too like some where the suggestions aren't even close to what you search? Search for Smurfs and get ads for Death Arena 1-4
I read somewhere that Apple is using Instagram's "algorithm" to determine what you like and what it shows based on those likes. ;)

(just kidding in case anyone thinks this is factual)
 
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This is deeply, deeply grubby. Apple is one of the richest companies in the world selling premium, expensive products. One of the perks of paying more for a product is to be free from advertising. And gambling ads of all things? Truly from the sewer.
Why does this being said over and over? Has it EVER been said by anyone at Apple that they're overpricing their products so that you can enjoy an ad-free experience, or is this just something you think is how it is?
 
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They should have never gotten involved with advertising at all. It is a scummy business that forces Apple to also act scummy so that they can “compete.”

Apple has so much $ I can’t even believe they are bending down to scoop up these moldy crumbs.
 
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