Not to go into the weeds, but the other thread was in regard to regulations. This thread is in regards to patent disputes. How are the two remotely similar?
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Apple Pausing Sales of Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 in U.S. Due to Patent Dispute
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That's how it works, sadly. The patent system is probably the part of so-called IP law that does the most damage to every human on earth. Untold trillions of dollars are wasted on making sure only the biggest companies can compete in the market, because they can afford the armies of lawyers required to make sure their patent war chest is big enough to protect them against the other 800 pound gorillas' war chests.
Ideas cannot be stolen - if you know how to make something, and I find out how to make that thing, we both have the information. If you want to keep your idea secret, go ahead and don't tell it to anyone or communicate it in other forms. Creating and selling a product that uses that idea is a form of communication, in that people will learn from seeing your product and may use the ideas to make their own products, but this is how ideas are refined and the prices of useful products go down over time, benefitting everyone.
Imports will no longer be allowed so non-Apple retailers will also not be able to sell them.Well, I guess there's always Amazon
A tenth of a percent. How will they survive
Right? More or less the last day to get delivery from Apple in time for Christmas, and in store right up until Christmas.
Of course, the ban is on imports so they just won't be able to replenish stock.
You can't "steal" an idea. An infinite number of people can independently have the same idea. Patents shouldn't exist, they are the greatest enemy of innovation and technological progress.
Because as soon as Apple started producing computers with a mouse and desktop icons Xerox couldn't make anything like that, since the idea was "stolen" from them. Right.
The system is broken. Thus the proliferation of patent trolls. Clearly even you must see that. Yes protecting IP is very important but the current system is fundamentally broken.
Bingo! IP law does incalculable damage to human progress and patents are probably the worst part of it.
I’m not sure the details of the improvements in dispute here- I couldn’t find them easily, but it is hard to see it being more then statistical techniques that really shouldn’t be patentable. These incremental improvements to an existing technology should not be patented in general in my opinion. Much more in technology should just move to a copyright model. IP patents should be hard to get.
Although Masimo has one of the co-inventors of Pulse Oximeters, they were invented in the early 70s and are no longer eligible for patent protections.
Although more legitimate than the average patent troll, Masimo has a history of holding trivial and obvious patents to try to continue to extort royalties out of old inventions.
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not to mention some patents touch the fundamentals of current level of technology, making circumventing those prohibitively difficult unless your dedicated R&D team wins a Nobel prize or sth.
And China, and Australia, and Canada, Brazil etc because of regulation changes. The list can go on and on. You know, maybe just shut down business altogether because of the prohibitively high cost to comply with those regulations.
Yeah we all know that will never happen.
And that’s without getting into the mess that is standards essential patents (ie patents that are necessary for the implementation of certain standards) and whether these patents are truly being licensed on FRAND (Fair, Reasonable, and Non-Discriminatory) terms.
I have no sympathy for patent trolls who never produce anything worth.
Generic patents are a huge problem. They will be invalidated if that is the case. Just need to wait and watch, Apple has deep pockets to take on patent trolls.
This company is not a patent troll. They have been producing and selling SpO2 sensors, covered by this patent, for years. We use them here at the hospital I work at.
The ITC system is broken because it allows import bans like this. If it were a dispute in court Apple would likely just have to pay damages/royalties if it lost.
I was replying to the comment on little guys, aka mostly patent trolls. Masimo is hardly a little guy.
Ouch. big news. It seems Biden didn’t get a big enough check in the mail from Apple. Or perhaps he did and he forgot, which is what I’m assuming.
Apple in 2022, to the DNC: $1,092,476
Masimo in 2022, to the DNC: $1,051,025
Apple is running a last minute Hail Mary hoping Biden sides with them. Kind of like a last minute appeal process with nothing to lose except a few sales after the holiday season.
Yeah that’s the idea. To lock everyone who can’t afford a literal building full of lawyers out of the market. Apparently sometimes even then.
This case seems to be a case of Apple straight up stealing their tech which should be covered under other protections. There is a place for limited patent protection but it has gotten wildly out of hand.