I honestly forgot LA. Just sent them an email and will provide an update if I receive a response.
Not sure about that other article as I didn't write it.
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Apple Pay Coming to Transit Systems in Philadelphia, San Diego, Boston, and More Cities Between 2020-2023
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Not sure about that other article as I didn't write it.
LOL, are you sure you are in Boston and not NYC??
While (NY) MTA just declared their $50bn wishlist for their decrepitude, I’m surprised to read that Boston is in a similar position. I do still support OMNY (tap tap) and its need. Have you ever swiped a metrocard?
If apple pay is already supported, they ought to at least enable express transit mode (some regular credit and debit cards can be used to enable express transit mode, it doesn’t require a local transit card) . That should be easy to do since apple pay is already in place.
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If Android devices are already working there, that means there are contactless readers and if those readers can read contactless cards such as Visa, mastercard, eftpos, etc, then you should be able to at least use apple pay on those readers the regular way, authenticating with your fingerprint or face. Apple Pay itself doesn’t really require specific support, only the express transit mode feature (no face or fingerprint scan needed) does. Support for adding the local transit card to Wallet isn’t that easy may take a bit longer.
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I and probably millions here would love to use their iPhone NFC chip instead of Express Transit, it's much cheaper to have a monthly/annual transport card than using Apple's ETM for a single trip.
Joe, did you get something specific from SEPTA (Philadelphia)? Were they talking about Apple Pay at the turnstile, or just Apple Pay at fare vending machines? Their New Payment Technology project is years behind schedule and they've not delivered open payments as promised.
Isn’t this just NFC implementation that piggy backs Apple Pay?
It’s like building a new road and saying the route now supports Tesla.
It’s like building a new road and saying the route now supports Tesla.
Will start to roll out in 2020...Great job San Diego. Now fix the actual public tranpsortaion and maybe this functionality will benefit somebody. Trains that don't leave the coast and bus stops that only reach the areas that don't public transit, get your sh*t together MTS.
Clipper is spending $194 million to develop proprietary mobile app solution, called Clipper 2.0. Their reasoning for not adopting Express Pay:
I know many people that tried public transit in various cities may not have a smartphone yet the amount of cost savings for payment cards to be made n physically distributed with agreements for shelve space along with a banking payment connection (there are fees both ways to reload the card), going with Apple Pay or Samsung or Google Pay would reduce significant costs and prevent price hiking.
here in Toronto less than 1 year after MetroLynx added Presto Card readers on streetcars and buses TTCs monthly pass physical cards were stopped being made n distributed. We got that directly over internet on the Presto physical card now - 1 card many GTA transit Systems which originates on GoTransit. Yet it’s still an expensive system to maintain. I can see these going away soon too.
Ours is valid nationwide, valid for all public transport in The Netherlands, if we could load that card into our iPhones and use the NFC reader on it than that would be much better than this express transit Apple crap.
how would it be “better” digital card that still has a distributional cost for the nation in transition to digital in the wallet vs going fully digital from the get go? Two payment systems (Apple or whatever mobile payment system from your back into a card in the wallet ) vs direct to your banking?
There is so much push for NFC to be enabled to third parties on Apple iPhones yet nobody is fully thinking what their asking for and how the real benefit that comes from it. Sure there are really good cases but our little rebuttal does not show any ease of use to the end user (remember you have to setup automation or manually transfer funds or the card in your wallet), nor to the payment systems in place and the added fees you’ll be paying ~ in my comparison between the two.
There's n added cost, my local transport card saves me money, Apple pay won't let me pay for a monthly subscription, I can pay my monthly bill for my card with Apple pay, a single trip costs a lot more, fact.
You ran you’d rather be able to add your transport card to Wallet right? because you’re using the NFC chip either way when you pay, but with the transport card it’s always cheaper than paying with a regular credit or debit card. It will take them longer to support adding transport cards to wallet though, if they ever do.
Also, you don’t seem to quite know what express transit mode is. Express transit mode allows you to pay your fare by just waving your iphone or apple watch near the reader, without having to authenticate with fingerprint or face, and it works both with credit and debit cards and with local transport cards (if a transport card can be added to wallet, express transit mode is usually also available for that card). So, my point was that you can at least use apple pay with your credit or debit card, and also ETM, while they enable adding your local transport card to wallet (which may take a long time).
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If you could add that card to Wallet, then you’d be able to use express transit mode with that card. Express transit mode already works with local transit cards in some places, let’s hope The Netherlands later becomes one more place where it does. Problem is these things seem to be mainly sales gimmicks Apple uses, and they are hardly if at all adopted by people and companies in the real world. Look at “sign in with apple”. Real easy to implement, yet hardly any websites/apps at all are supporting it three months after its launch with iOS 13.
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Torontonian here. Being able to use ApplePay to pay for TTC is nice but what I really want is for the Presto card to be supported directly on the iphone. This would make it much more convenient for transfers. Also for the 2 hour free transfer. But as far as I can tell this is not even being discussed. why is that?
Not quite. The companies operating those transit systems first used the NFC readers only for their own prepaid contactless cards, now they’re adding support for them to also be able to read contactless Visa/MC credit or debit cards so they can also accept apple pay, google pay and other mobile payments. And later they will likely add support for their own transit card to be loaded to Wallet and used on apple pay.
It’s more like building a new road where only bikes and motorcycles were allowed at first, and then later opening up the road to cars as well. Obviously some changes and adjustments had to be made.
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Well that’s exclusively TTC’s call. Apple has already added support for transit cards in wallet, but then it’s up to each transit provider to decide whether or not they want to add support on their end to enable adding their transit card to Wallet.
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not here but as another Torontonian you must have seen earlier in the year that Presto would be trialing exactly what you propose yet for Android first.
let’s see what transpires.
PS: Raptor beat their 3 game loosing streak hoping the Leafs with new head coach from the Marlies gets a great winner this season. Love the non frigid weather we’re having; that starts middle of next month.
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so you’re saying when you goto pay for a monthly subscription that ApplePay payment will not allow you to? Is Apple Pay linked to a Visa Debit card? If so then there is a transactional limit on Visa Debit. My bank splits my debit card nationally into a visa debit or internationally or nationally to a Visa Card should the amount go about our Transac limit for debit cards.
try to look at your card registered with your institution and see what options you may have. Hopefully one can be brought.
someone else did counter debate with a good reason I had forgotten about here in Toronto. Prestó Cards allow transfer to buses/subways and streetcars using a 2hr window without another payment. Apple Pay doesn’t seem to work in this regard.
don't jinx it please! Anyway, regarding your post and the other one I quoted I would like to clarify something. Since PRESTO is doing it for Android they are clearly interested in adding such functionality. My question then is: is this technically possible to do this through Wallet integration without adding NFC API access for 3rd parties (which I'm pretty sure Apple is not planning to do)?
Yes it is. Afaik Apple's Wallet already does have support for transit cards, but it's up to the transit provider to use it or not to use it.
I think there is plans between Apple and at least NYC ...
Finally, I can use my iPhone to ride the NYC subway
This morning, as I've done regularly since moving to New York City years ago, I left my Brooklyn apartment to head to Engadget headquarters in Manhattan. In an ideal world, I would've been able to use my iPhone to get through the turnstile at my nearby subway station. But, even though the MTA is...
This gives me hope ... so no jinxing on my end
Apple pay can be used here on any NFC enabled POS system, IO can pay with Apple pay, that's not the problem.
I should be able to add my transport card to wallet, that's not only (a lot) cheaper, it's also more convenient, I can buy monthly/annual subscription on my card, not possible with Apple Pay
I do understand what express Transport mode is.
The only thing we want here is to be able to add our transport cards to our phones, but hey, Apple makes less money if they do that. (Instead of paying for a single trip)
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I don't buy Fremier's response. It would be so much easier to have Apple Wallet integration. At most BART stations, they are going away from paper tickets and requiring people have Clipper cards which is very confusing to a lot of people, especially to tourists. There will be a line of five people in line because two people trying to buy a ticket cannot figure out how the current system works.
Clipper 2.0 will be both card- and app-based. So while the app might be better than status quo, Express Transit is a lot less friction and require smaller upkeep on their part.
Bay Area's transit is huge pile of mess. According to Seamless Bay Area, we have 27 agencies (not counting over 100 smaller agencies), with most top management collecting huge salary. It's in their best interest to keep things status quo.