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I'd be happy to boycott these douchebags if I could even use :apple:Pay I'm still waiting for US Bank, ATT Citi card, and a couple others to allow me to add my accounts. Hurry up you (bleeps) :mad:

Call them and complain. Every day if you've got the time. They'll get the message.
 
On the contrary, it takes just a few hours to make a usable fake from a good print, and almost anyone with slight skills can do it.

However, I keep pointing out that it's not strangers / thieves that we need worry about.

It's the people around us who have plenty of time and opportunity to get a good print, make (and even test) a fingerprint without us knowing about it, then use it while we're asleep or distracted.

In other words, our teenage kids, disgruntled or joker coworkers, or our evil college roommate :)

Do you have examples of this happening? The only instance of Touch ID being spoofed that I've heard of was in a highly controlled environment where they had all the right tools and were able to lift a perfectly clean fingerprint.
 
So credit cards companies dont hold those information...oh wait ...

That is a stupid comparison. The bank where I have my checking account issued my credit cards ... so duh .... they have the information.

MCX isn't paying you enough for this ....
 
So...in short:

Apple Pay:
1. Hold phone to reader
2. Scan fingerprint

CurrentC:
1. Unlock phone
2. Find CurrentC app
3. Launch CurrentC app
4. Hope you have adequate signal in concrete walls of the store
5. Hold phone up to scanner

Also CurrentC is essentially a debit transaction. So no rewards, reduced fraud protection and increased likelihood of getting actual cash stolen from your bank account (Compared to a credit card being stored locally with Apple Pay.)

Correction on Apple Pay (assuming a jacket pocket somewhat near the NFC reader, which tends to be right where one stands to pay anyway):

1. Pull phone out just enough to see it is asking you if you want to pay
2. Place finger on home button for a second, then drop the phone back into pocket

You don't generally need to "tap" the phone or whatever. It just needs to be there in the immediate vicinity of the reader and it will be ready to pay.
 
Anybody remember a company called Plastic Logic? No? Well they came out with a light weight black and white screen tablet the same day Apple announced the iPad. Doesn't ring a bell? I wonder why...........
 
So credit cards companies dont hold those information...oh wait ...

There's a huge difference. My personal information is given to credit card companies to provide ME a SERVICE and to establish credit. CurrentC is requiring my personal information so they have ACCESS to MY money.
 
Too funny. Though it looks like most of the reviews have come in the last 24 hours.

I couldn't find it in the AppStore.

Strange as it seems, its was 359 1 star reviews 2 hours ago, then 659 1 star reviews about 20 mins ago, but right now its back down to 359 1 star reviews :confused:
 
So, you want me to give you completely identifying information. Then you want to add this information to a gold mine of identity theft data from consumers across the country. Then you want to post this identity thieve's wet dream on a publicly accessible cloud server. Then you want me to take my phone out of my pocket all the way, activate it, find your store's app somewhere in a folder of "Stupid Store Payment Apps" on the third springboard screen, open said app and wait for it to register, aim my phone's camera at a frickin' QR code so I can pretend I'm still in 2005, wait for your server to charge my bank, then hand my phone to your fumble-handed cashier so they can scan another QR code with their UPC-scanning wand and pretend they are in 2005 as well, then close the app, put my phone away again, and grab my bags.

And for all that you'll give me a coupon for $0.50 off a roll of Charmin?

Come on, CVS. You aren't a destination store. You are where I get stuff when I'm on the road and need something and, oh look, there's a CVS that might have it for twice as much as anywhere else but I need it now so there you go. I don't want a long-term relationship with you or the AA batteries I bought there three years ago.

I'm just not that into you. Maybe we can still be friends, but not if you keep cock-blocking my attempts to use the form of payment I want to use. Instead, I'll cross CVS off my mental list of stores that maybe carry stuff I want for much more than I want to pay but where I can get that stuff if I need it in a pinch. If enough people feel the same way someday we'll notice those CVS stores that would tend to be there when we need them replaced by Walgreens stores in the exact same locations, selling the exact same stuff at the exact same inflated prices. But the Walgreens will be willing to take my money without trying to date-rape me.

..And since Walgreens and CVS, for a reason I will never understand, seem to both be located at the same intersection ALWAYS, it won't be difficult to choose Walgreens instead of CVS. It's like they knew this was going to happen and wanted us to be able to easily choose.
 
If these companies are so determined to save a whole 2%, why not go the whole hog and insist on cash or checks only?
Some stores--Winco for example, and many gas stations--do. Pretty sure the same is true of Costco, but I don't shop there.

They all only accept cash or debit cards, no credit cards. I've even been to some gas stations where using a debit card will ding you with a small transaction fee, but result in a lower per-gallon price (I assume matching the per-transaction fee but lower overall transaction cost paid by the gas station).

The difference with all these retailers is that they very specifically sell themselves based on low costs, and use the increased margins toward that end. For gas stations, it's obvious--you can either look across the street at the place that accepts credit cards and costs more per gallon, or sometimes the station itself has a separate, higher credit card price per gallon. In the case of Winco or Costco, it's more abstract, but they do have very low prices, so one generally assumes that the 2% is getting more or less passed along in the form of the sticker price.

With CVS, Walmart, and other CurrentC members, they might pass on the savings to the consumer, but at best, since they also still accept credit cards, it would be a savings proportional to whatever (small) percentage of their customers use the technology, and it would be spread out across everyone, regardless of how they pay. Just as likely, prices will remain the same and they'll fatten their operating margins slightly.

They could--and this might be the planned endgame--switch it so that the loyalty card requires you to use CurrentC, in which case you do get the benefit from their lower overhead, but I think that's unlikely to ever come to pass. Maybe they'll go halfway and have special CurrentC sales or e-coupons or something, but that seems like rather a mess.
 
This antiquated technology will be dead on arrival.


You want people's drivers license, social security number and bank account number?

Lol.

Your money and soul too please.

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The people who came up with this have golden parachutes the sizes of the states they're from.

Good, they'll need them to sell when they realise people will go elsewhere.
 
Im not a american but in my opinion the name "CurrentC" ist just strange. It sounds like prehistoric coding language or something.
 
I wonder if the companies are scrambling right now to figure out how to get out from under that agreement. I bet at least a few are.

I'm sure. I'm glad I don't work at MCX/CurrentC. Their phones are probably ringing off the hook.
 
Do americans readily hand over their Social Sec # to anyone asking for it?

My original social security card is imprinted with the words "Not to be used for identification". And yet we in the US are constantly asked to use it for identification. If you apply for a job, the business needs it. If you apply for credit, you need it. It's basically how the government tracks you financially, which is all tied to the Internal Revenue Service which uses it for tax purposes.
 
Cash actually costs them more than credit cards.... merchants actually don't like cash.

That must be why I see so many shops and restaurants around here with little signs next to the register saying "Please don't use cash! We'd rather pay swipe fees!"

Not.
 
If the point of this is to use ACH to avoid credit card processing fees, maybe the retailers should simply discuss with Apple and Google integrating in ACH to go along with Apple Pay? It might be a slap in the face to Visa and the like, but it would be worth considering.

However, I'm fairly sure the whole "we now have all your data for targeting ads" is a big incentive too.
 
That must be why I see so many shops and restaurants around here with little signs next to the register saying "Please don't use cash! We'd rather pay swipe fees!"

Not.

Mom and pops are different, as it's typically the owner that's counting the money and personally driving the deposit to the bank.

When we are talking walmart, Best Buy, or any of the retailers part of the CurrentC disaster, they all have employees that count the money, prepare the deposit, and the Brinks guy shows up every day to pick it up and drop off any change order.

When you are talking about a mom-and-pop donut shop, they like cash, ESPECIALLY in the food industry, because they don't report ALL of it to the IRS. :)
 
Looks like a lot of smart companies are going to get a three-year head start on profits and competition. And the others with CurrentC will be stuck trying to give out digital coupons and QR codes to barely make their $500K investment back. LOL.

Funny thing is, those companies (CVS, Rite-Aid, Walmart, etc) are going to lose a lot more than $500k in profits over those three years. CVS made $34.6M in revenue, of which over $6M was profit, in just the last quarter. Over three years, that translates to $72M (if all quarters were like the one ending in June 2014, which is probably low-balling it). That $500k is just 1/144th of their profits. That is, if they lose 1% of sales due to refusing to take people's money at the register, they have lost far more than that investment.

From CVS's perspective, though, they see this as a long-shot (now, maybe not when it was first concocted) to get rid of an operating expense equalling about 2% of revenues (assuming most customers pay with credit cards at a convenience store) or $700k per quarter, which would boost their quarterly bottom-line net income ($1.246M last quarter) by more than 50%. Which, of course, is huge. So, you can see their incentive. It is just a really bad bet to make, and clearly anti-consumer, so there is no reason for us, the folks with the money they want, to go along.
 
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