Apple pay-gas pumps?

Discussion in 'iOS 8' started by eclipse01, Nov 3, 2014.

  1. eclipse01 macrumors 68020


    May 16, 2011
    Eau Claire, WI
    Are there any places that offer you to NFC right at a gas pump?

    I was thinking how great it would be if you could do this.
  2. aDRock1154 macrumors 65816


    Nov 15, 2011
    I saw my local Sheetz had this. Just got Apple Pay support this morning, so i'll be trying this soon.
  3. NoBoMac Moderator


    Staff Member

    Jul 1, 2014
    Think I saw someone mention success at Chevron. They are on Apple's list.

    That said, have not seen any obvious NFC gas pumps in my area, and the stations on the official Apple list are not located in my state.
  4. Sherifftruman macrumors 6502

    Jun 23, 2010
    Sheetz is on the list of CurrentC retailers so it will be interesting to see if they have it turned off.
  5. deeddawg macrumors 604

    Jun 14, 2010
    The MasterCard Nearby app shows some BP and Chevron stations in the area as accepting contactless payments. I haven't stopped by to check yet.

    In any event I'd expect EMV adoption to be slower with gas stations as their liability shift isn't for two more years; October 2017 instead of October 2015.
  6. aDRock1154 macrumors 65816


    Nov 15, 2011
    I'm even more anxious to see what happens now lol
  7. furbzv1 macrumors 65816


    Sep 17, 2014
    havent seen any in my area.. would be cool to this tho
  8. Julien macrumors G4


    Jun 30, 2007
    Never looked closely but are the CC readers a built in module that can be changed out of the pumps easily? It would be strange to have to disassemble and add new CC/NFC readers in all those pumps in less than a year.
  9. mbhforum macrumors 6502a

    Jun 23, 2010
    I just tried at a Hess station that was built in the last month and it didn't work. You would think a brand new gas station would have pretty new terminals...
  10. Capex macrumors regular

    Aug 31, 2010
    Here in Canada, a gas station chain called Petro-Canada accepts contactless payments. Not sure about what it's like in the states though.

    The only issue I see is some gas purchases exceeding a limit. I know my bank doesn't let you "tap" more than $100. Is the US the same, and does Apple Pay also have this? Truck drivers with big gas tanks beware :p
  11. BD1 macrumors 6502

    Jun 27, 2007
    At least for the BP stations in my area, this is just for when you go into the store, not at the pump.
  12. eelw macrumors 6502a


    Sep 19, 2012
    Also Shell here in Canada. Been 10 years or so already that it's easy pay tag has been available. Recall seeing Mobil One in US has NFC tags at the pump.
  13. ROLLTIDE1 macrumors 68000

    Sep 12, 2012
    Who goes in to pay for gas these days? ;)
  14. Rigby macrumors 601

    Aug 5, 2008
    San Jose, CA
    Paying at the pump would be one of the best use cases for Apple Pay, since gas pumps are a prime location for card skimmers ...
  15. bbplayer5 macrumors 68030

    Apr 13, 2007
    Im going to actively look for places that have this. There is a sheetz near me so maybe ill start there.
  16. venividivigor macrumors 6502

    Jun 11, 2013
    If you live in Canada, super stores gas pump does and it's so convenient
  17. iPhil macrumors 68040


    Chevron gas in Southern california should get :apple: pay nfc terminals sometime in 2015 @ the pump but now its in store right now..
  18. macagain macrumors 6502


    Jan 1, 2002
    Was at a Conoco in Denver, where they had an air station that had a credit card reader with NFC. Tried it, it "read" by iPhone6, but my cc issuer (Chase) kept denying it. Same card has been working at Whole Paycheck.

    BTW, the pump was $1.00 but it tried to authorize/charge $1.10 via the card.
  19. sliprat, Nov 4, 2014
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2014

    sliprat macrumors member

    Apr 4, 2011

    It's been a while, but I used to have a little dongle, stick like thing that was connected to my credit card through Chevron. It went on my keychain and all I had to do was wave it in front of the pump. It was great for me as a motorcycle rider as I didn't have to dig out my credit card with my leather gloves on. (Ever try to pick a credit card out of your wallet with gloves on?). Instead, I waved my keys in front of the pump and it worked like magic.

    Yesterday, I went by the Chevron I used for that and it does not appear that they are equipped to take the dongle thingy any longer. The pumps weren't seeing my phone, so I went inside.

    I asked to fill my tank and they did whatever they do with the cash register, then I waved my phone over the credit card terminal and it worked. EXCEPT, the clerk immediately said they had to stop the transaction as they were not accepting Apple Pay as per the "BIG BOSS". Another lady behind the counter said she was told it messes up their paperwork. They did apologize, but I walked out without paying.

    I'm hoping it is just the one store. I am going to try it again at another Chevron today.

    Update: 11/4/14 - Facebook Response from Chevron:

    Chevron Hi Michael - Chevron is excited to offer Apple Pay in over 3000 convenient stores by the Holidays.
    Like · Reply · Yesterday at 12:53pm

    Michael Stevens So is it available at this site now? Or is it coming?
    Like · Reply · 1 hr

    Chevron Hi Michael - Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We’ve worked with the site to make Apple Pay available.

    - So I'll stop by today and see if, in fact, this is true. - I'll update when I know.
  20. deejaykorn macrumors member

    Nov 5, 2014
    I've tried Sheetz twice with 2 different cards and both times the pump told me to see the cashier. However, the registers don't have NFC capabilities. Guess it's time to complain to Sheetz.
  21. claimed4all macrumors 6502

    Sep 26, 2008
    I was at a Meijer Gas Pump yesterday that had a NFC reader and the Meijer does accept Apple Pay.

    I tried to pay at the pump. Held my phone to the reader, card popped up on my phone and it would just not take. Kept telling me to hold near the NFC reader.

    I gave up. Paid with me card.

    Now correct me if I am wrong. I thought apple pay worked by meeting the NFC reader, a payment mount was requested, a token was grabbed for the payment amount, business receives the token for the payment amount. Token is only good for one time for that original amount.

    Please correct me if I am wrong.
    So at a gas pump, where I try to pay before I pump, how would that work? A specific amount for the token cant be made till after I pump, and gas stations want there money up front. With a credit card the station usually charges a dollar, then bills the rest after you finish pumping. With Apple Pay, that token would be dead by the time I finished pumping.
  22. Scott-n-Houston macrumors 6502a

    Apr 27, 2008
    Houston (duh)
    I've paid at Chevron inside then pumped.
    The trick was, I had to give them an amount, in this case it was $40, and if it pumped less, it adjusted down.
    It worked, I said $40,  Pay showed $40 and after pumping $35.xx, the charge changed to that amount.
  23. bransoj macrumors 6502a

    Jul 31, 2013
    Be interesting to see what happens over here in the UK if folk want to start paying at the pump with Apple Pay...most petrol stations in the uk have "No Mobiles" signs all over the place and if you have one in your hand by the pumps you tend to get shouted at over the tannoy system!
  24. AMTYVLE macrumors 6502a


    Sep 23, 2014
    Sheetz has Apple Pay disabled. Tried is yesterday at my local Sheetz, (they have NFC at their gas pumps) it says 'Payment not supported' on the screen.

    ...Had to open my wallet and slide my card :(
  25. Rigby macrumors 601

    Aug 5, 2008
    San Jose, CA
    That's not how it works. Remember that the EMV contactless payment protocol was originally designed for "dumb" RFID payment cards. The protocol does not transmit the payment amount to the device (that's why you don't see the requested amount on your phone when you are prompted to approve the payment). Also, the token (device account number) is actually not unique per transaction. Only the 3-digit security code used for additional verification is.
    It works exactly the same as if you were using the physical card.

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