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IMO this is counterproductive and may very well backfire.

Frankly, I don't think America actually wants contactless payment--and that's perfectly okay. Maybe in a decade or two we'll change our minds.
America will decide for itself. One resident at a time. I am American, and I've decided in favor of contactless payment. So there will be me, and people like me, who sometimes go shopping without carrying cash or cards.

Eventually stores that don't accept contactless payment will notice when they start losing sales. It may take a decade or two for it to become ubiquitous--and that's perfectly okay.

What won't happen is an immediate changeover in a couple of decades. Some of us are ready now, and some are not ready yet, and we won't reach a tipping point unless it starts at some point, and starts to grow. Thankfully for me, it has already started (several years ago, and then a major entry by Apple into the space two years ago).

I think you'll start to notice it in a few years. You'll stop to buy gas, and find that if you want to dip or swipe your card (or pay cash!) you have to go inside to do it. To pay at the pump, you'll need some form of contactless payment.
 
Growing pains. I don't always carry the plastic card with me.

Not exactly the same situation, but I had to leave a basket of groceries at the check stand when I realized I only had my phone and watch with me (no wallet). I normally shop at a different grocery store where Apple Pay is accepted, so I didn't think to carry my cards.

As this happens more and more, the stores will get tired of reshelving and of lost sales (vs. whatever they think they are gaining by asking for a card when a customer is using ApplePay or other tokenized contactless payment system).
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It's only been two years. Cellphones changed the world. Cars changed the world. The Internet changed the world. TV changed the world. None of them did it within two years of inception. Can you name a product that changed the world in two years from first appearance?

I think we can call it that we can't call it yet.
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That makes sense if you only have one card in your wallet. What happens if you carry two pay wave cards?


Why would I need more than one card ?
Perhaps I dont spend my life balancing my debt and payments across multiple cards, so I only need one.
 
Why would I need more than one card ?
Perhaps I dont spend my life balancing my debt and payments across multiple cards, so I only need one.
I didn't say you did need more than one card. I don't spend my life balancing debt either (I don't have any debt), but I do carry two cards. Three, if you count my ATM/debit card. Four, if you count the debit card I use solely for medical expenses. I have three of my cards in my Apple Watch and iPhone. One is set as the default, but I can easily switch to another when I need to.

Apple Pay doesn't offer much for you, but that doesn't mean it doesn't offer anything for other people who have more than one NFC payment method.
 
The problem with Germany is so many places prefer using cash. NZ is similar to Australia/UK where everyone is already useless contactless cards for small amounts up to £30, AU$100, NZ$80 and PIN for amounts over.

Not exactly true. German people prefer using cash, not the shops.
So if nobody like Apple "forces" them (I don't include myself since I use my CC more than anything else) to overthink their preferred payment method, Germany will be paying in cash as long as coins and bills exist.

Biggest problem besides lacking credit card penetration is the small national market share of iPhones (about 20%). Germans love their cheap and crappy Lagdroid devices.

But still no reason to leave millions of German Apple customers behind. I mean it's been 2 freaking years since Apple Pay started in the U.S...
 
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Why would you be disgusted with how Google handled your card information? You've never set up any kind of payment info on your Google account. At some point in time, you had your info hacked.
True, I can't solely blame Google for this accident for the reason you said. But I think the fact that the hacker used Google (Wallet) platform to make transactions on LINE app using my card info proves that somehow there's a loophole in the Google payment system security as well as the bank. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
 
True, I can't solely blame Google for this accident for the reason you said. But I think the fact that the hacker used Google (Wallet) platform to make transactions on LINE app using my card info proves that somehow there's a loophole in the Google payment system security as well as the bank. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
I'm still confused. How is it that you've concluded a hacker used the Google Wallet platform? If you attached no payment info what would Wallet have to do with your hack? The Wallet can't pull money if there's no payment type attached.
 
America will decide for itself. One resident at a time. I am American, and I've decided in favor of contactless payment. So there will be me, and people like me, who sometimes go shopping without carrying cash or cards.

Eventually stores that don't accept contactless payment will notice when they start losing sales. It may take a decade or two for it to become ubiquitous--and that's perfectly okay.

What won't happen is an immediate changeover in a couple of decades. Some of us are ready now, and some are not ready yet, and we won't reach a tipping point unless it starts at some point, and starts to grow. Thankfully for me, it has already started (several years ago, and then a major entry by Apple into the space two years ago).

I think you'll start to notice it in a few years. You'll stop to buy gas, and find that if you want to dip or swipe your card (or pay cash!) you have to go inside to do it. To pay at the pump, you'll need some form of contactless payment.

I say America's basically decided against contactless payment because not even Samsung Pay (which works with nearly everything, not just NFC capable terminals) is getting significant use. And if no one's paying with a phone or wants to do so, stores aren't going to bother putting in significant amount of effort in making their backend systems work with it. Which, due to how POS systems are architected in this country, means they have to--unlike in other countries--so most are simply leaving NFC disabled once EMV/chip support's turned on.

That all might change in a decade or two but right now I see Apple Pay as more of a in-app/on-website payment method than anything else.
 
In the UK do we still have a maximum amount you can use on the card, I think it was £30.

In Germany the NFC terminal asks you for your pin if you pay for more than 20 Euros. Hope Apple Pay will avoid this since you sign with your fingerprint.
 
I say America's basically decided against contactless payment because not even Samsung Pay (which works with nearly everything, not just NFC capable terminals) is getting significant use. And if no one's paying with a phone or wants to do so, stores aren't going to bother putting in significant amount of effort in making their backend systems work with it. Which, due to how POS systems are architected in this country, means they have to--unlike in other countries--so most are simply leaving NFC disabled once EMV/chip support's turned on.

That all might change in a decade or two but right now I see Apple Pay as more of a in-app/on-website payment method than anything else.
The point I was trying to make was that it's not going to "change in a decade or two". It's going to change over a decade or two. The change has already started. In a decade or two, it will be all but complete.
 
Why would I need more than one card ?
Perhaps I dont spend my life balancing my debt and payments across multiple cards, so I only need one.

I have a personal account and a family account. A debit and a credit card for each since they were all free. So four cards.
 
The point I was trying to make was that it's not going to "change in a decade or two". It's going to change over a decade or two. The change has already started. In a decade or two, it will be all but complete.

Even accepting chip is like pulling teeth right now. I think we have to transition to that first before we can even think about transitioning beyond that. Fortunately there might be more retailer adoption by then and we may end up transitioning quickly thereafter. (But that may not matter in the end if we all move to buying nearly everything online like what Amazon seems to want.)
 
It's been two years, I think it is safe to call it that Apple Pay isn't changing the world at all, who cares what country is implementing it next.
No it is not changing the "world" but it is easy to use and will reduce credit card fraud rates. In Australia "pay wave" cards are being stolen and large scale fraud is being committed. These costs have to be passed on to the consumer, so I for one think it is a great development, and I gather the ANZ Bank does also.
 
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I'm still confused. How is it that you've concluded a hacker used the Google Wallet platform? If you attached no payment info what would Wallet have to do with your hack? The Wallet can't pull money if there's no payment type attached.

That's the concern. I don't exactly know how. Just now, my bank called me to resolve this issue.

I mentioned to them that this company could be a fake company using Google name, but they confirmed from their investigation that the transaction did source from Google > thus confirmed my statement that it was indeed conducted on Google platform (?)

On the other hand, Google also confirmed that I haven't made any payment from either of my account, too.
The bank asked me to send my correspondence with Google Support, I did that, and the bank agreed to reverse all the transactions and will credit me back with the amount that I lost from these unauthorised payments.

I am absolutely positive nobody that I know of do not have my payment info, so I don't exactly know how this happened. Could be my mistake, could be hacked by someone but I have been very careful with how I keep my card info on digitalised platforms.
 
I'm in NZ. My debit card was just recently charged with a lot of small unauthorised payments from GOOGLE*LINE CORP, costing me approximately 150NZD in total. If you Google 'Google *LINE CORP*', you'll see a lot of people from around the world have been getting this issue too.

I have never setup any kind of payment info on any of my Google account, I currently do not use LINE app, but somehow this happened and is very concerning. I tried contacting Google but they didn't give me any practical solutions at all, they just asked me to review the app.

Hopefully this kind of thing never happens with Apple. Very disgusted with how Google and NZ bank handle card information.
If you have been getting charged like this, but you did not authorise the transactions then this would come under credit card fraud. My suggestion is to proceed with a claim with your bank. I had a similar thing happen, but on a much larger scale and was refunded the entire amount (over $1000).
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No it is not changing the "world" but it is easy to use and will reduce credit card fraud rates. In Australia "pay wave" cards are being stolen and large scale fraud is being committed. These costs have to be passed on to the consumer, so I for one think it is a great development, and I gather the ANZ Bank does also.
For ANZ it's a smart business move in general. While several other Australian owned banks are making a big fuss about not being able to have their own apps use the NFC chip, ANZ has accepted the terms of Apple Pay, and has had their new account applications increase by nearly 500%. The other banks are doing them a favour by not getting on board.
 
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In the UK do we still have a maximum amount you can use on the card, I think it was £30.

I don't think that's true.
Background: I'm from the UK but I live in NZ. I was home for a friends wedding in June. When I checked out of the hotel in the morning I pulled out my iPhone to pay and the girl at the desk said "sorry it only works for payments less than £30".
I ignored her and waved the phone over the terminal. Payment went through no problem and it was for ~£150
She was gobsmacked. "Cool phone. Never knew it could do that".
I think that's the problem with the uptake outside of the US.
People (especially the Scots) are very conservative with money and it's mechanisms.

Waiting patiently now for Kiwibank to let me add my NZ Mastercard to my little collection on my iPhone.
 
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I used Apple Pay a few times – unofficially, i guess – on holiday in Italy last week.
It basically worked wherever there was a modern payment point with the Contactless symbol.

I was even able to use it for a ~ €65 transaction.

It worked with my iPhone and my Watch (use of the latter resulted in an amusing moment when a young pharmacist appeared utterly amazed, gasping at the fact I paid with my watch).

We don't have Apple pay in Italy, so the pharmacist was of course amazed and even Apple Watch is quite rare, although there are iPhones everywhere.
You were able to use it because basically it works with contactless POS as you correctly stated.
Contactless POS are not diffused in my country, as a matter of fact you can still find small restaurants or shops who have problems in accepting a simple credit card, it is quite frustrating sometimes.
Now that I have an Apple Watch I'd really like to have Apple pay in my country, especially on public transit or crowded places were is inconvenient (and unsafe) to take the wallet out and reach for your credit card or public transit ticket/card.
 
Even accepting chip is like pulling teeth right now. I think we have to transition to that first before we can even think about transitioning beyond that
This makes me think of an old Lucy Show episode where Mr. Mooney bought Lucy a new electric typewriter. She asks, "Couldn't I start slowly, like with a gas typewriter?"

Compared to chip, Apple Pay is easy. Every time I use Apple Pay, I think "I'm so glad I'm not having to deal with that cursed chip."
 
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