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In the meantime, banks are pumping out cards with embedded RF chips for contactless payment that are easily skimmed. I imagine the inertia of this initiative will carry that for a couple of years before this feature is sunsetted due to increased contactless skimming and the ubiquity of mobile payments.

Contactless cards use the same EMV protocol that Apple Pay does. The main differences are not needing any form of authentication for smaller purchases and the use of the same card number as what's on the front.

Require PIN for every tap of the physical card and the main security issue would likely go away.

In the US, all of our EMV is fundamentally online. All the offline authentication features that EMV incorporates are worthless here. These features require the card to stay in the terminal during the whole transaction which is what people hate.

Contactless stripped out the offline features, which is why its tap and go.

How the card's authorized has nothing to do with the payment method. It is totally possible for transactions to be authorized offline contactless and submitted at a later date, for instance.

Also, a strict interpretation of the EMV specification requires the card to be in the reader the entire time, even if the terminal dials out at the time of the transaction. However, Visa came out with something called Quick Chip that's supposed to let people insert and remove while items are still being rung up (mainly by sending a fake amount to the EMV chip and skipping issuer script execution).

Yeah, the annoying sounds they've had to build into it is a product of the bad design.

Without the sound, sadly, many people would forget their cards due to the way the human mind handles sounds. The bad design in this case has created an additional annoyance to resolve it's biggest flaw. What we're left with is a bad experience instead.

I'd be fine with the sound if they gave me an extra half a second to a second to remove the card before it started playing. Most places just play it right away, unfortunately.
 
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I've seen big upsurge in retailer acceptance in my area. All three supermarket chains I go to, my favorite liquor store, my nearby hardware store, etc.

Perhaps it's the smaller stores not adopting as quickly as others. My go to stores in my area have adopted and others haven't. But it is growing exponentially.
 
I keep getting confused by Apple. Can it be used at any NFC tap and pay terminals like tap and pay credit and debit cards or does a retailer have to be set up specifically for apple pay? If its the later wake me up when it's at least 70%. 36% is a joke and not worth exposing your credit card info more than it already is. Tap and pay with a credit card is faster and easier anyway. Since we are still in a time that we need to carry a wallet I see no real value to these android/apple/samsung etc pays.
 
It may be supported by 36% of retailers, but it that counted incorrectly... is McDonalds counted once for the entire chain, or does each location get counted. The only reason I bring that up, is pretty much 99% of the places that accept money in New England don't support it, nor have most of them even heard of it. Forget about any non-chain store having it.

All of McDonald's=1; as they say, they surveyed "more than 500 top North American retailers". My local non-chain liquor store accepts it. My local hardware store accepts it, although they are probably supported through their Ace affiliation (Ace is not a chain, but a co-op). All my local supermarkets support it, although they are indeed chains. I live west of Boston, BTW. Several of these retailers have picked it up within the past year.
 
I'd like to see the specifics of this "survey". I'm wondering if it's just based on hardware purchases - POS devices which are capable of NFC payments, but which may or may not have been enabled for that.

In my area I've been able to use Apple Pay at a number of shops... but I also see quite a few which technically have the hardware but basically don't have the NFC part of it turned on. It's quite frustrating.
 
It took a lot longer to reach this point than I expected.

Still waiting on Walmart, Home Depot, Gas Stations and restaurants to start taking Apple Pay so I can stop carrying my credit card everywhere with me... but at least all the grocery stores seem to be on board now (I'm amazed Market Basket takes it - I swore hell would freeze over before Market Basket would take Apple Pay.)
Arco takes Apple Pay at their pumps. Sometimes it doesn't work though, and it asks for a PIN.
 
You can use ApplePay at Exxon/Mobil with their Speedpass+ app. Not quite as convenient as Apple, but at least my CC info isn't changing hands. Would be nice if other gas stations got on the bandwagon though.

Interesting... thanks for sharing. I knew other gas station apps require you to input your checking account number and they actually do direct withdraws from you (thus avoiding CC fees, but with the crazy risk that your bank account info is on their servers now.) I figured Speedpass did the same thing. Maybe I'll download it and try it out next time I fill up at an Exxon.

Funny that I'm talking about paying for gas when I'm hoping to get an EV within a few months...
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Arco takes Apple Pay at their pumps. Sometimes it doesn't work though, and it asks for a PIN.

Not familiar with that chain. Looked them up - they're in the Southwestern US while I'm in the Northeastern US. I actually remember seeing their convenience store (AM/PM) while in LA but the name/logo of the company is so bland, if I ever saw it, I've totally forgotten about it.
 
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I live in Podunk and only a handful of businesses support it. Some don't even know they do and when I get it to work they are shocked.
Most other businesses don't or won't like Walmart but a like support google.
[doublepost=1486504826][/doublepost]If they want Apple Pay to take off they need to create the ability for me to pay someone else with Apple Pay. That would be great for local sales and Craigslist. Right now I have to pay people using PayPal.
 
The problem is, most cashiers don't know that NFC payments are supported. Or, the machine is kept behind the counter, and they ask for your credit card to swipe it. Then there's all the times were the NFC part doesn't work randomly, and so you're stuck swiping were inserting the trip.There needs to be a lot more training at these retailers to update their staff. Hell, even at McDonald's, which was supposed to have Apple Pay since forever, I find that some of the staff are constantly shocked/surprised. The drive-through is even more of a pain, because they have to take out the credit card reader machine, and show it to me. Almost makes it easier to get my fat ass out of the car and walk inside the store
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Apple Pay is just like Apple Maps- Its useless. (if its not perfect)

Still miss the real Steve
 
I use it when I can. It's actually perceptibly faster than the chip readers, but not quite as fast as a swipe.
 
Personally, now that the "chip" is everywhere, this was all the motivation I needed to start looking for Apple Pay.

Whoever designed the chip system should be ashamed. Way worse than swiping ever was.

I especially like the horrid error tone that plays to tell you to remove your card after a successful transition.

I find it strange that the US is only just introducing Chip, the U.K. has had this since 2005, and contactless payments are now the norm, pretty much 100% of the stores I visit I use Apple Pay all the time.

And Apple Pay ATM's for cash withdrawal are now available in most places.

We just have the issue with it being limited to £30 due to banks issuing contactless cards many years ago which have no security other than a spending limit.
 
I keep getting confused by Apple. Can it be used at any NFC tap and pay terminals like tap and pay credit and debit cards or does a retailer have to be set up specifically for apple pay? If its the later wake me up when it's at least 70%. 36% is a joke and not worth exposing your credit card info more than it already is. Tap and pay with a credit card is faster and easier anyway. Since we are still in a time that we need to carry a wallet I see no real value to these android/apple/samsung etc pays.

My understanding is that Apple Pay is accepted at any NFC terminal, and is actually way more secure than tapping your credit card as Apple Pay doesn't expose any of your card info.

I don't know the figure but I'd guess the UK at being way over double the 36% quotes for the US with regards to Apple Pay, I literally use it everywhere. We even have NFC ATM's which accept Apple Pay.
 
Went to about 6 outlet stores for my Xmas shopping. All except the little juice stand in the store accepted Apple Pay.

In the small Mom and Pop stores, sometimes you just have to reach over and "wave" the phone over the credit card machines and it takes. Surprising even the owners.

What I hate though is that they still make you sign the receipts. I just write X.
 
I think Apple Pay on the web is even more awesome. You can checkout as a guest without entering in billing, shipping, and payment info.
 
My understanding is that Apple Pay is accepted at any NFC terminal

Not *quite*.

There are still a few large chains - like CVS - where they do accept contactless payments, but go out of their way to *block* ApplePay. It's an astonishingly ridiculous business decision turning down customers while they attempt to *give you money*, but there you are.
 
Not *quite*.

There are still a few large chains - like CVS - where they do accept contactless payments, but go out of their way to *block* ApplePay. It's an astonishingly ridiculous business decision turning down customers while they attempt to *give you money*, but there you are.

I have contactless cards and those don't work at CVS either.
 
I'm still surprised by amount of retailers in my area who don't support Apple Pay. I don't use it as much as I thought I would, even with my Apple Watch. Maybe it's because I just prefer the plastic. Is plastic that old school?

I am still waiting to try it out for the very first time - and this is in Seattle. I just don't see it during daily life.
 
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22 percent of retailers who don't currently support Apple Pay said they plan to accept the payments service within the next 12 months,

That statement is technically incorrect. It's 22% of all retailers, and 34% of those who don't currently use it, who plan to adopt it within 12 the next months.
 
I use it all the time, I wouldn't say it's revolutionized my shopping experience or anything but just having your recent purchases a click away is useful.
 
I find it strange that the US is only just introducing Chip, the U.K. has had this since 2005, and contactless payments are now the norm, pretty much 100% of the stores I visit I use Apple Pay all the time.
And Apple Pay ATM's for cash withdrawal are now available in most places.
We just have the issue with it being limited to £30 due to banks issuing contactless cards many years ago which have no security other than a spending limit.
Perhaps this might shed some additional insight:
UK’s Lessons For US Mobile Payments Adoption
From article:
OK, you say, so all we need to do now is hustle up and get contactless POS terminals out there in massive force.

If it were only that easy.

In the U.S., there simply aren’t the same dynamics in play.

Two million contactless terminals today sounds like a great start — until you do the math. There are something like 13 million POS terminals across a massive geography that is the United States, not including mPOS devices.

The U.S. is also a market in which there are 1.2 billion payments cards in circulation, more than 47 billion debit card transactions, more than 26 billion credit card transactions and 209 million adults over the age of 18.

Oh, and something like 14k financial institutions that issue those cards and countless merchant acquirers and ISOs all hawking merchants to deploy new terminals.

It’s a whole lot harder to wrangle this ecosystem to the ground given the diversity of merchants and the engrained plastic card habits honed by consumers over the last 50 or so years.
 
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