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Apple Pay With Express Transit Mode Now Available for San Francisco Bay Area's Clipper Card

If you transfer the physical Clipper card to the virtual one in Apple Wallet, what is the experience like when you get a new iPhone?

Does it transfer over automatically, or do you need to do something special not to lose it (and money added to it)? The Apple site FAQ doesn’t cover this.
 
shurcooL said:
If you transfer the physical Clipper card to the virtual one in Apple Wallet, what is the experience like when you get a new iPhone?

Does it transfer over automatically, or do you need to do something special not to lose it (and money added to it)? The Apple site FAQ doesn’t cover this.
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It looks like you can transfer from iPhone to Apple Watch and back again. So if you lose/upgrade your phone you can transfer back to the new phone from your watch (go into the Wallet settings in the Watch app and can you see the "Add card to Phone" option).

It's not clear what happens if you lose both your watch and phone, but I presume if you have your card registered you can order a new card from Clipper then just add it back to your phone.
 
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ianKent said:
On most transportation networks, you pay per ride. On Clipper-supported Bart, you pay for how many stops you took. So if multiple people used one card, they would have to use the card to exit out of the system with that same card. Bart needs to make their system charge per ride, and this will remove all these systemic issues.
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I’d say that zone systems are very common outside of the USA where transit isn’t so heavily subsidized…
 
hoodafoo said:
I wonder if Apple takes a cut allowing card systems to be "compatible" with their the Wallet
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They take the usual small cut if you reload the card with Apple Pay (which is covered by the bank that issued the underlying card), but from what I understand you can also reload them using the ticket vending machines, in which case Apple doesn't see a penny. I doubt there are any other payments.
 
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I have the very first commuter card in the Bay Area called TransLink and still works even though its now called Clipper Card. In my case, I will just add new Clipper to Apple Wallet since it doesn't cost a dime. The physical card serves as a backup.
 
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Does this work with Tap on/Tap off services like Caltrain? There website doesn't seem to say anything about this. I don't live in the Bay Area but visit sometimes. Would someone mind testing it for me.

I'm seriously considering a trip out once my 2 weeks after vaccine is up just to test this out.
 
Can the single device limitation be worked around by getting a second Clipper Card and assigning one to the phone and one to the Watch? Seems like Wallet supports more than one card at a time. When using it, you just have to remember which one you tagged else you incur extra unwanted charges, not unlike carrying two Clipper Cards on your person and forgetting which one you used :) And that really only works for cash transactions. A monthly pass could not be split across two cards though (unless you have two monthly passes, yuck).
 
gbc204 said:
I yelled "FINALLY!" when I saw this news. It seemed like a no brainer, being right in Apple's neighborhood, but then I guess SF isn't THAT big a city and even the entire Bay Area probably has fewer transit users than a lot of other cities.
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Actually it was mostly due to the fact that the Bay Area has too many transit agencies, independent of one another, with their own fare structure, etc. So getting them all to accept the card is already a huge PAIN in the ASS. Finally they managed to work something out, thankfully!
 
Ohples said:
Does this work with Tap on/Tap off services like Caltrain? There website doesn't seem to say anything about this. I don't live in the Bay Area but visit sometimes. Would someone mind testing it for me.

I'm seriously considering a trip out once my 2 weeks after vaccine is up just to test this out.
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It works exactly the same as a physical card.
 
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They introduced that in London about March last year.
Guess what happened: Not travelling to London anymore...
So I haven't even tried it out yet. :-(
 
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ianKent said:
On most transportation networks, you pay per ride. On Clipper-supported Bart, you pay for how many stops you took. So if multiple people used one card, they would have to use the card to exit out of the system with that same card. Bart needs to make their system charge per ride, and this will remove all these systemic issues.
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In London, they keep track at which station you entered the underground, and at which station you exited. And then you pay for the cheapest way to get from A to B. If you really want to, you can take a detour without paying extra as long as you don't leave the station. (Happens sometimes when you don't watch out and miss your exit, get out the next station, cross to the other side and take a ride back. And very rarely it happened when the carriage was so full you couldn't make it to the exit in time. ) If you leave without tapping out, they charge you for the most expensive ride but once a month you can complain and fix it.

They also combine it with some railway travel. The railway doesn't support Express Transit directly, but they still combine your train + underground journeys for the best price.
 
hoodafoo said:
I wonder if Apple takes a cut allowing card systems to be "compatible" with their the Wallet
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Apple takes a small cut from the card provider. That is more than paid for by added security, because it is much much harder for a merchant or a rogue employee to steal from your card when you use ApplePay. And that money usually comes out of your bank's pocket. Nothing changes for you or for the merchant.

(Just realised: It seems you personally don't pay directly for the journey, but for putting money on your transit card. In that case what I said applies if you put money on your transit card with ApplePay, but nothing is paid for Apple telling the company that you checked in and checked out).
 
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Is there a list anywhere of all the cities that support express transit with Apple wallet?
 
What I want is for merchants to stop with the "please sign this" garbage. I always just sign it no sale . What do they expect to be able to do with these pieces of paper? My local pizza joint used to do it right and they recently switched to a new POS system and it requires a signature. Maybe someday .
 
ianKent said:
On most transportation networks, you pay per ride. On Clipper-supported Bart, you pay for how many stops you took. So if multiple people used one card, they would have to use the card to exit out of the system with that same card. Bart needs to make their system charge per ride, and this will remove all these systemic issues.
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That's not going to happen with BART because the extent of its network (runs through different counties.) CalTrain does the same thing.
 
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