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Apple Pays $946 in Korean Lawsuit Over Location Data Collection, New Class Action Suit Coming
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I'm not saying all Americans are the same. Plus, I've been to the States many times.
However, you can't deny the USA has a reputation for its lawsuits. Hot coffee? Marlboro? McDonalds even got sued for marketing Happy Meals to children!
Also, Google "american lawsuit culture" for many more examples, and how much this is costing you!
If you looked up the details and why they were taken you would be so flamboyant in your remarks. I wish people wouldn't quote the suing culture (a term started by corporations and mainstream media who on the whole people sue) ... At the end of the day if there is nothing wrong with product, procedure or service then they wouldn't get anywhere. To win against a corporation they have to have broken a statute or law... One day, heaven's forbid, you may need this service
I think it is not the reasons people sue that is the worst part, it is the damages the losing end has to pay. The famous coffee incident could well have been a trial case here too, only difference is, the damages would very unlikely have exceeded $2,000... more likely something like $1,000. Other than the size of the claims, there is nothing odd about the litigation in the US.
Remind me to go to South Korea and buy an iPhone to join that action suit (free phone)!
While some people say $1,000 is not a lot, it's not the $1,000 that's important here but the precident it's made and how that will go a long way in a class action suit, which will be much much more costly.
I wonder if apple just decided to delay all new products to South Korea by 3 months for "extra legal examinations" to set a precident. Might be a lot of back lash by a lot of people over stupid class action suits. I'd be curious about the result, but it could go nasty for apple too.
While some people say $1,000 is not a lot, it's not the $1,000 that's important here but the precident it's made and how that will go a long way in a class action suit, which will be much much more costly.
I wonder if apple just decided to delay all new products to South Korea by 3 months for "extra legal examinations" to set a precident. Might be a lot of back lash by a lot of people over stupid class action suits. I'd be curious about the result, but it could go nasty for apple too.
Are You Serious?
We Americans feel the same way about american lawyers.
Joke: What is it called when you throw 20 lawyers in the ocean with handcuffs and weights on their feet? Answer: A good start.
A bit silly to see Americans complaining about this, given the infamous sue culture they have themselves.
We Americans feel the same way about american lawyers.
Joke: What is it called when you throw 20 lawyers in the ocean with handcuffs and weights on their feet? Answer: A good start.
Joke: You're in a locked room with a lawyer, Qaddafi, and an angry Bengal tiger. You have a gun but only two bullets. What do you do?
Answer: Shoot the lawyer twice.
I think not. I think the guy got just the result he (or she) aimed for. This is dynamite.
This Article is hilarious! do MacRumours have a "gold" section where they archive the best threads?
This needs to go there!
This needs to go there!
Um, read the whole story. He's a lawyer and starting rounding up people for a class action law suit. There are 3 million iphone users in SK.
Do the math and apple could end up paying a billion (in US dollar).
I know I know, Apple has 70 billion in offshore accts etc.
I guess in Korea you don't sue for damages, maybe just on principle? If so, what damage was done to this individual as a result of the location collection? Additionally how does $949.00 make him whole again?
If Apple broke Korean law somehow that's one thing, but shouldn't they pay a fine to the state if that is the case.
If Apple broke Korean law somehow that's one thing, but shouldn't they pay a fine to the state if that is the case.
You are being monitored right now. Every page request you make is recorded in a log. That is how websites work. If you have a problem with that, you have the option of not using the internet. That is your choice.
Lawyers such as yourself should hire experts to give them a crash course on how technology actually works rather than how you think it works.
Not only are you tracked by every website you visits but every credit card or bank card transaction is also recorded. Please do us all a favour and educate yourself about how things work.
What the iPhone was doing is no different than when you go to this or any other page. You have to supply information to give the website something to go by to give you the result you want. Whenever you search, you have to give some information to get an answer. When you order dinner at a restaurant information has to be exchanged and you might be asked to present ID if you order alcohol.
The location data was stored in a cache similar to how things are stored in cookies on "your" machine. Both cookies and the cache file serve the same purpose which is to reduce the amount of information that you have to divulge with each request.
I'll make you a deal. We will stop being amateur lawyers if you lawyers promise to stop being amateur tech experts. If you need to know what is going on, hire a professional.
I'm not making judgments on the law, I am merely explaining what actually happens from a technology point of view and pointing out how lawyers and judges are wrong in their interpretation of how it all works.
Because a lot of people here don't realize that America isn't the center of the universe.
Law is about setting precedence. This ruling allows the floodgates to open in Korea for a Mass Lawsuit.
Brilliant move I must say.
-Bring one case against apple for only $1000.
-High chance of winning as Apple's legal dept is too busy to deal with $1000 case. (Maybe not but how knows?)
-After winning a $1000 case, open up a website to recruit people to join in a class action lawsuit, and get a percentage of the multi billion dollars judgment in the process.
Price has nothing to do with anything.... fact is all cell phones track your location. Whether its via GPS or cellular triangulation. The iPhones just getting attacked cause its high profile and carries the means to garnish the publicity those suing are seeking.
Apple didn't seem to bother to reply to the judgement or even pay for it. The court had to seize the money from Apple's bank account.
This from this Korea Times article: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2011/07/137_90892.html
I think Apple's lawyers were just too busy to travel some 200 miles to another city and defend this case for such a low amount.
The newspaper adds "It is not difficult to file a civil lawsuit in Korea of which the compensation demanded is less than 20 million won. "
This from this Korea Times article: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2011/07/137_90892.html
I think Apple's lawyers were just too busy to travel some 200 miles to another city and defend this case for such a low amount.
The newspaper adds "It is not difficult to file a civil lawsuit in Korea of which the compensation demanded is less than 20 million won. "
I've read what I can find on the case, and I completely disagree with any large payout. Which, btw, we do not actually know the true amount as it was settled out of court. Many have speculated and claimed to know, I've never found true proof. (and I really shouldn't be able to, not our business)
Take a little responsibility is what people should do. If the coffee had been 20 deg cooler, McD would have won, but this woman would still have received burns severe enough to put her in the hospital. She did something ridiculous. McD only got "burned" because of the temp, she got burned by being an idiot.