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The most common complaint about the Z Fold 8/8 Ultra is its lack of S-Pen support. Whether that's a vocal minority or a sizeable group, no one seems to know, but putting a stylus in the body of a smart phone requires a certain thickness neither Samsung nor Apple is willing to do. The S2x Ultra can have an S-Pen because it's a thick phone. If Apple wanted to do it for the Pro Max, that would work as well, but folding phones would not only need to include a digitizer layer but also create space for such a pen.

Note that regular styluses that can mimic a human finger would work fine on any touch phone, including all iPhones. S-Pen and Apple Pencils require bluetooth for additional features that can be invoked without the stylus touching the phone surface.
 
"Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em and put 'em away, and you lose 'em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So we're going to use pointing devices that we're all born with—our fingers." - Steve Jobs
There will never be a thread or people don’t misunderstand exactly what your jobs who’s talking about even though he made it very clear
 
I would like to have an Apple Pencil on my foldable iPhone, so my iPhone can be a mini sketchbook/notebook. I enjoyed writing and drawing on my iPad mini.
 
The funny thing is they don’t have to release a damn thing. A mere software update. Just let the current Apple Pencil work with the device. Why release yet another Apple Pencil?!?
 
Yes, 100% correct!

Yet still to this day people go full retard in regards to Steve's comment about Styluses.

Anyone with basic comprehension stills can ascertain that Steven's comment was about being forced to use a styles to operate a mobile, since the competition back then, used resistive displays paired with ery small UI elements requiring the use of a fine tipped stylus. You were not able to use your fingers for quick and easy navigation, hence he mocked them.
I thought as an educated society, we collectively weren’t saying/writing the R word anymore. Are you special/that doesn’t apply to you?
 
I had a couple of Galaxy Note phones years ago and never lost the S Pen because it was stored securely inside the device—even though I hardly ever used it.

When I bought an iPad a couple of years ago, I thought the Apple Pencil might be useful, so I bought one. I managed to lose it within a week! After that, I just bought a cheap replacement from Temu.

For me, attaching a Pencil to the side of a device with magnets simply isn’t a good design. Having a dedicated slot inside the device, like the Galaxy Note, makes much more sense.
 
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We don’t need another device doing a lousy job of attempting to be something it isn’t suited for (ahem iPad with keyboard). If people want to sketch on the go, that’s what iPad Mini is for.
 
"Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em and put 'em away, and you lose 'em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So we're going to use pointing devices that we're all born with—our fingers." - Steve Jobs
He didn’t have the creative professional foresight the value of a stylus in the go able to be used with a phone
 
The funny thing is they don’t have to release a damn thing. A mere software update. Just let the current Apple Pencil work with the device. Why release yet another Apple Pencil?!?
Because the Apple Pencil is huge compared to the phone. I just put an Apple Pencil Pro alongside my Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 8 and the Pencil is two inches taller than the phone. The Z Fold 8 is expected to be roughly the size of the upcoming iPhone Fold/Ultra. There would be nowhere to charge it and nowhere to dock it. Likely the Apple Pencil they were testing is considerably shorter.
 
My dream is to get all my Apple devices down to one. I'd love an Apple Ultra (fold) that doubles as an iPad and when docked you could use it like MacOS. This way I'm not carrying around three devices wherever I go to work.

Apple of course doesn't want this. They want us to buy/ use as many devices as possible.

One can dream.
 
There's a reason, Samsung doesn't have one and Apple allegedly tried one with a broader tip (which probably offered hardly any benefits over a finger): That inner screen will scratch too easily.
This is incorrect. Samsung's Fold 3, 4, 5, and 6 all had S pen support. This did not harm the screen. The Fold 7 and now 8 does not have the digitizing layer to allow the pen to work. This was done to make the phone as thin as possible.
 
Just like almost everything Steve said, people keep taking this one comment out of context.
His argument was that a stylus should not be the only input method for a phone.
He never said anything about using one as an artistic tool, in fact, macOS has supported handwriting recognition natively since like Jaguar.
Steve was literally the person who introduced Jaguar.
Even more importantly, Jobs wanted to change the mindset of developers and push them to develop finger-first interfaces for the iPhone. Had he packaged it with a stylus, developers would have relied on it and the iPhone ecosystem would never have become what it is now.

Now, the ecosystem is robust, and it’s clear to everyone that a finger-first interface is ideal for phones. He never intended to prevent a future device that adds capability to future devices with bigger screens and much more capability than the early iPhones had.
 
Since there's a Samsung Z Fold8 Ultra, does anything think Apple would still name their foldable the iPhone Ultra?

And of course this tidbit from Gurman will make many wonder if the foldable iPhone will work with an existing Pencil on the inner screen.
Idk man after they went with Pro and Pro Max branding I kinda thought they’d gone soft on unique names lol. The naming scheme is only part of the product I guess.
 
Even more importantly, Jobs wanted to change the mindset of developers and push them to develop finger-first interfaces for the iPhone. Had he packaged it with a stylus, developers would have relied on it and the iPhone ecosystem would never have become what it is now.

Now, the ecosystem is robust, and it’s clear to everyone that a finger-first interface is ideal for phones. He never intended to prevent a future device that adds capability to future devices with bigger screens and much more capability than the early iPhones had.
I believe the quote was ‘who wants to use a stylus.. ugh’
 
I always liked stylus’s, when Steve Jobs announced the iphone would not have a stylus, I balked at the ignorance.

Even as I was writing this, I misspelled “announced” and struggled with the touch screen to move the cursor to where I could correct it.

Design choices like snapping in line selections to words or sentences, instead of following direct user input have been a real pain for me.

Especially the way the keys on the keyboard predictively resize their hitbox has led me to make so many typing errors. Often the same over and over as a key becomes essentially unresponsive.

Rejecting user input for automated presumptions is a design decision that has never sat well with me. And one born directly from the stylus vs touchscreen era of compromises.

It makes sense to make a bozzo version, something simple and goof proof for grandma or the inebriated.
But to settle for that as the lowest common denominator is why the android market has so much appeal.

To make it so it can’t be turned off. To not allow the user to ever have a more precision power user experience is a mistake.

Accessibility settings are just categorically the wrong way to structurally organize feature toggles.

I really wish the key resizing could be turned off. And that the taps landed where you places them instead of snapping all over. Menus popping up directly beneath a held finger is also bad design. Sometimes those get pressed on accident because they popped up right under the finger.

Problems we did no have in the stylus and keyboard era.

The little bumps of physical keys made typing really swift. Were they worth the screen real estate?

Edge to edge Screen real estate is nice, but it also led to design constraints, the phone dimensions became standardized around 16x9 movie aspect ratio.

The apps all designed around that too, making many corner placed buttons challenging to reach. A real hit to ergonomics.

Here we find ourselves making a device to fit a pair of jeans and a movie theater screen and I can’t even type on it satisfactorily. It actually hurts me, my phone hurts me in my delicate little fingers as I struggle to reach it’s corners.

The apps basically have no in app menus. Routing through system settings for every app. Something a small set of stylus selected buttons once brought up. A monumental loss of choice and customization.

A stylus would be great, but they exist best in systems designed for them. My ipad may have an apple pencil, but ios isn’t really built for them, the way something like Palm OS was built for a stylus.

So it will be interesting to see how the architecture of ios bends to facilitate more user input devices such as mice and stylus. And how much we can recognize the path-flow-dependency of previous design choices made in that first era of touch design compromise.

Sooner or later the entire way ios and macOS work will enter into an entire structural overhaul. Which may catch allot of people off guard who felt the old ways were immutably and innately perfected, ignorant to the compromises intrinsic to all design.
 
I believe the quote was ‘who wants to use a stylus.. ugh’
And? He was talking about using a stylus with then-existing iPhones. The last thing on his mind at that point was using a pencil-like drawing implement to create art (for example) with a more capable device with a much larger screen.
 
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