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peharri said:
Really? The 100 song limit is true in non-Cingular ROKRs as I understand it, and from everything I read, this was an Apple imposed limitation (this was early on in the Apple mobile phone story, and they were concerned about the ROKR taking share away from the iPod.)

I can't say for definite it was Apple (though who else would want that limit?), but it certainly wasn't Cingular.

What non-Cingular ROKR's? No other carrier in the US has it, and I've never heard of worldwide releases, but it stands to reason that any other carriers would think the same way. It's still rather immaterial given the rest of my post.

jW
 
craigatkinson said:
If that's supposed to be an iSight camera on the backside then it would be poor engineering. You wouldn't be able to video conference with anyone because while you were looking at them they wouldn't be able to see you.


Yeah. You know what I find kinda weird is that everyone is thinking the iChat Mobile means Video Chating (no offense). I never even thought about that, so I thought the phone looked nice. Not Great, but I still like it alot. I just figured they put a camera on there because all cell phones do... not for video conferencing.

Honestly I'd be more excited the phone working with Front Row.
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I should make my prediction now:
The iPhone (or whatever) will be a docking phone. It will have a slot to slide your Nano in (which ever size you want). This will keep the Nano's selling and the iPhone selling. The Nano will just slide in connect to the phone, and the iPhone will then use its screen and controls to run the Nano, along with the cell phone features.

You heard it first! haha...
 
poppe said:
I should make my prediction now:
The iPhone (or whatever) will be a docking phone. It will have a slot to slide your Nano in (which ever size you want). This will keep the Nano's selling and the iPhone selling. The Nano will just slide in connect to the phone, and the iPhone will then use its screen and controls to run the Nano, along with the cell phone features.

You heard it first! haha...

They won't do that. Since that is a VERY bad business model. If you did it that way you would HAVE to buy a iPhone and a nano (This may be a surprise but there are those of us who do not have an iPod Nano) And so if Joe here has an Ipd Video and wants an iPhone he has two choices: A) buy a nano and iPhone (so that Nano $$ + iPhone $$) and he has the perfect system or B) he has to wave the music functions (saying in your model that the phone even works w/o the nano) he now has just a phone and it is just like the millions of other phones out there- the only difference is it has an Apple logo on it. So this is just a basic flaw in business strategies.
 
right about now, my verizon LG phone is at its two year point and an apple branded phone would be nice

something tells me this one will be at macworld sf 2007
 
emorydunn said:
They won't do that. Since that is a VERY bad business model. If you did it that way you would HAVE to buy a iPhone and a nano (This may be a surprise but there are those of us who do not have an iPod Nano) And so if Joe here has an Ipd Video and wants an iPhone he has two choices: A) buy a nano and iPhone (so that Nano $$ + iPhone $$) and he has the perfect system or B) he has to wave the music functions (saying in your model that the phone even works w/o the nano) he now has just a phone and it is just like the millions of other phones out there- the only difference is it has an Apple logo on it. So this is just a basic flaw in business strategies.


Yeah I know it was more a joke on everyting. And I've never had an iPod in my life.
 
emorydunn said:
Well thats a relief. Not the fact that you have never owned an iPod (you shopuld get one)

Ha yeah I plan on getting one... Just Have a PDA that has a 1 Gig stick right now, and still trying to afford the MBP Merom, but hey, if Merom was released soon I could get a free Nano or better a 30 GB!
 
I'm so sick of the iPhone rumors. Can't mac rumors put a sock in it?


Sorry for my hatred. I've had a bad day.
 
pink-pony115 said:
I'm so sick of the iPhone rumors. Can't mac rumors put a sock in it?


Sorry for my hatred. I've had a bad day.

on the hardware side, the ipod alone has 15%-25% percent of gross sales and 75% perecent of net profit margin...a phone, if successful like the ipod, would make apple inc even more successful

without the ipod right now, apple would be seriously suffering
 
63dot said:
on the hardware side, the ipod alone has 15%-25% percent of gross sales and 75% perecent of net profit margin...a phone, if successful like the ipod, would make apple inc even more successful

without the ipod right now, apple would be seriously suffering

I don't know about suffering, but it certainly has helped them out a great deal.

The iPod gave Apple the exposure and trust it needed to sell lots of Intel Macs to Windows users who would have never considered a Mac. it introduced a cultural change for both Mac and Windows users in how we viewed Apple, giving way for even more change.

The Intel Macs have replaced so many Wintels on my campus faster than I ever expected. The logic? There's no downside... If all else fails they can run Windows. They take the risk and they like it.

Apple wins and the first step was giving that Windows user an iPod.
 
What non-Cingular ROKR's? No other carrier in the US has it, and I've never heard of worldwide releases, but it stands to reason that any other carriers would think the same way. It's still rather immaterial given the rest of my post.

We have non cingular ROKR'S in Australia you can get them on a contract from OPTUS.
 
skywalker said:
What non-Cingular ROKR's? No other carrier in the US has it, and I've never heard of worldwide releases, but it stands to reason that any other carriers would think the same way. It's still rather immaterial given the rest of my post.

jW

From memory the original ROKR announcement was a worldwide one with operators across the world involved. In any case, how hard is it to Google a few international operator names with "ROKR"? T-Mobile UK and Vodafone, the only two I tried, are clearly selling it. Why on earth would you think that such a high profile quad-band GSM phone would only be sold in the US? Even the Wikipedia has an (incomplete) list of operators. Interesting, Cingular's not one of them, it discontinued the phone a while ago.

FWIW, and I'm about to address the actual "100 song limit"'s source directly, the logic proposed as to why the operators wouldn't want more than 100 songs doesn't make much sense. Few operators actually have online music services (beyond ringtones), and in any case, none would be stupid enough to believe that putting a 100 song limit on the phones would do anything other than to damage such a store. They expect consumers to want to spend money on packet data downloading music and then throw it away to make space for another expensive song? Nobody would buy music from them, ever!

That's not to say operators didn't want limits, but the number of songs wasn't one of them. My guess is most operators would have liked the ROKR to at least have the ability to download music. That, funnily enough, is something the ROKR never had.

The bottom line in any case is that the ROKR's 100 song limit is exclusively an iTunes/Apple imposed one. Everyone directly involved says this was an Apple decision that Motorola didn't fight hard enough. Given Apple's concerns about cannibalized iPod sales, it does make sense, but if the phone is going to be the future of MP3 playing anyway, Apple can - and will - change that attitude. But not until the time is right.
 
john7jr said:
I don't know about suffering, but it certainly has helped them out a great deal.

at this point, apple would still exist, through hard core fans like me, even if they still used a souped up G3 chip, but still have a kick butt operating system

but could anyone imagine apple inc today without the ipod?

it's certainly as big, if not bigger, than the macintosh in 1984...many mac users then were still the nerdy set, and had money to burn

an ipod is for everyone, nerd and non nerd, and they are very affordable and many mac users, and pc only users, sport an ipod

i have never heard of any pc user switching to mac because of an ipod, but many pc users buy an ipod, or two and that's fine by me
 
i think a phone is imminent
why else would leopard include ToDos and Notes and all other smart phone features?
 
phone w/ HD

Phone w/ HD...music player...video player...possibly games...

sync w/ ical, address book, iphoto, iweb, safari...chat using ichat mobile...

phone can be remote control for front row....

how much will it costs?

M$ will DIE!
 
Wifi that is easy to switch on and off, and Skype compatibility.

Without this, any new phone from Apple won't look new for long.
 
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