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On one hand...cool idea. On the other hand...the odds of my facility allowing us to wear these things at work...are pretty much zero.
 
Guys. Training hospitals already use VR for training. As do pilots, heavy machinery engineers, etc.

This will be used in the private sphere, you will likely never see it unless you’re in the field or do IT support for it.

Top surgeons use VR today to practice for extremely niche and high risk surgery, as do students in med schools that have these platforms.


 
It will be interesting to see when Apple crosses the line with this to bona fide medical device and the FDA says hey you need to register this (or if it's a novel use run clinical trials with it.)

I was recently surprised to learn Apple already has a few 510k on other things so it's not like they don't know the drill and of course they have the lawyers to know.
 
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Why not just have that data on a normal computer monitor? Why strap a $4k device top your face? People are in a rush at work. They already have everything they need for this data - fast. Regular computers and monitors can be shared. This is a leap backwards in useability.
 
Guys. Training hospitals already use VR for training. As do pilots, heavy machinery engineers, etc.

This will be used in the private sphere, you will likely never see it unless you’re in the field or do IT support for it.

Top surgeons use VR today to practice for extremely niche and high risk surgery, as do students in med schools that have these platforms.


I take your point about how this will be used.

However, at least in the field of medicine, this hardly inspires me to have confidence. I wonder how good the evidence actually is that using VR/AR is effective training. The sources you cited draw mostly from a company building VR/AR devices for medicine, so there's a conflict of interest. The one peer-reviewed source that was cited compared reading a manual (hereafter referred to as the RTFM approach) versus VR versus RTFM+VR for training a procedure to affix orthopaedic equipment to bone. First, this kind if surgery is hardly rocket science, being basically carpentry. Second, I do not think the traditional method entail just handing somebody a manual and then expecting them to perform a procedure. Usually students manually practice on cadavers or models and then they are gradually introduced to the procedure during actual surgery under the supervision of actual surgeons. So, even for medicine, I believe there will be a lot of unjustified hype about VR/AR.
 
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I’m trying to pitch it to my company as a solution to workstations that have as many as 12 monitors. The tech isn’t there yet, but it could work someday.
 
I take your point about how this will be used.

However, at least in the field of medicine, this hardly inspires me to have confidence. I wonder how good the evidence actually is that using VR/AR is effective training. The sources you cited draw mostly from a company building VR/AR devices for medicine, so there's a conflict of interest. The one peer-reviewed source that was cited compared reading a manual (hereafter referred to as the RTFM approach) versus VR versus RTFM+VR for training a procedure to affix orthopaedic equipment to bone. First, this kind if surgery is hardly rocket science, being basically carpentry. Second, I do not think the traditional method entail just handing somebody a manual and then expecting them to perform a procedure. Usually students manually practice on cadavers or models and then they are gradually introduced to the procedure during actual surgery under the supervision of actual surgeons. So, even for medicine, I believe there will be a lot of unjustified hype about VR/AR.
There are NIH studies going back to at least 2003 on using it. It’s being used. It’s been used on some very high profile surgeries for letting the surgeons figure out the best way to approach delicate blood vessels ahead of time.

None of this is new, there’s just a new product in the industry that does it now.

Good luck finding anything in the SEO ******** we call Google “search” now…
 
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The hype for use of the Vision Pro in medical applications is just unfounded imo. Reminds me of the news that 5G would allow for remote robotic surgeries. Before that it was fiber allowing remote robotic surgeries. Before that it was broadband allowing for remote robotic surgeries. Do you know how many robotic surgeries that the surgeons at my hospital do? Zero. Granted it is not a bleeding-edge institution. But many practitioners want to keep their tried and true methods. Hell, many of the computer systems still being used in medicine and academia are old legacy systems.
 
this will never come to Germany. Too many privacy concerns and what hospital has budgets for "toys" like these. We still use fax and are not allowed to send anything over e-mail.
$3500 is nothing to a hospital, where an MRI or CT can run over half a million dollars. An ultrasound is over $20,000. If they see value in it then it will be easily purchased. I personally feel we are several generations of this product from this being a real thing.
 
$3500 is nothing to a hospital, where an MRI or CT can run over half a million dollars. An ultrasound is over $20,000. If they see value in it then it will be easily purchased. I personally feel we are several generations of this product from this being a real thing.

Unfortunately many hospitals are on the stock market here, so the main goal is "making money" and "limiting expenses". My sister has been working at the same hospital for 20+ years and when the hospital got acquired, the first thing the owners did was get rid of the storage room. Every week they have to make a list of items they "may" need for the following week based on experience and of course they are only allowed to order from brands the company has stakes in. It's all kind of messed up. Our health care may be "free" but people do not like to admit how crappy it actually is as a result
 
won't happen in the U.K our government is run by old people.
'Muerica has entered the chat. Have you seen our last 2 Presidents?😉

Anyhow, back on topic. I see the AVP as a very niche product. Surprise, surprise, surprise. Someone came up with a very niche use for a very niche product. Maybe the technology will advance enough that they can combine the AVP with a Da Vinci machine to do remote surgery.
 
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I would tear this off my head immediately and gouge my eyes out if that's the screen I saw. Advair IS salmeterol (plus a steroid), and "Day 7 of Levofloxacin, and Day 10 of antibiotics" and then levofloxacin spelled as "levofloxican"?
 
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