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Dear Google
You first.

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—Apple
Still after the iPhone:
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Dear Google
You first.

—Apple

Dear Apple

Quit being so smug.

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-LG

(info, cuz I know you're gonna ask)

LG Prada: Announced December 12, 2006, released January 18, 2007
Apple iPhone: Announced January 9, 2007, released June 29, 2007

So the iPhone is completely unique? The first touchscreen driven smartphone to ever exist, and every phone that came out afterwards is a complete ripoff of it? Nope. Like I said before, all smartphones were heading in the general direction of the iPhone. It was one of the first, but not THE first.
 
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Excellent stupid point, man! :D

If only this were enough to get everyone to shut up about the whole who copied who thing. It's completely pointless, and incredibly ignorant. Everyone copies everyone in the tech industry. And if they're not copying, they're coming up with about the same thing at about the same time. Arguing who did what first is a waste of time for everyone involved.

...but it'll eventually come back around. Sooner or later (likely sooner, like tomorrow sometime). So I'm saving your stupid points for when it happens again. :p
 
Apple working on iPad Mini: Report

The California based computer and mobile equipment manufacturer, Apple is working on a smaller version of the popular iPad tablet. The display size of this smaller tablet apparently will be similar to all the other tablets in the market and will feature a 7-8 inch display. It has been reported that Apple Inc. plans to debut a smaller, cheaper iPad by year-end. They are trying to maintain dominance of the tablet market as Google and Microsoft prepare competing handheld devices. The resolution of the smaller iPad will not differ because of the smaller size and will be similar to the one featured on the older iPad 2 with a 1024 x 768 pixel resolution.

for more information: http://gm.kochar.com/post/apple-working-on-ipad-mini-report.aspx :apple:
 
What I'm most interested in is the amount of bezel. If Apple can really reduce the size of bezel on this tablet, it'll look much more attractive sitting next to 7" Android tablets and given iPad's strong app ecosystem, it'll be an easy purchase for many as a Christmas gift.

Typical form over function. Bezels are actually quite useful on a tablet with capacitative touch.
 
I don't see this happening. Steve hated 7" tablets and Apple doesn't cater to marker demand. The market caters to Apple.
 
Typical form over function. Bezels are actually quite useful on a tablet with capacitative touch.

It's not at all that simple. And it's not just about looking cool or whatever...

The overall width of a 7.85 iPad is a critical issue in how it will be used. The 7.85 screen itself is fight about the size where it can easily be held in the palm of most adult hands. The wider bezels you put on the sides, the more you start reduce it's "degree of palmability" for adults. It also reduces it's "degree of pocket ability". The 7.85 screen size is right at the size where it can still be slid into a fair amount of what would be considered standard size pockets. The wider you make it with side bezels, the less common the pocket size it will slip into.

All this is at odds with how kids would use it, which would be holding it by the edges, which is where the wide bezel would come in handy.

So there's a bit of a dilemma here -- Will the iPad Mini be made as a productivity device for adults on the move, or a wider device device geared to the lowest common denominator? (now the I typed it out that way, I'm afraid I might know the answer...)

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I don't see this happening. Steve hated 7" tablets and Apple doesn't cater to marker demand. The market caters to Apple.

What makes you so sure he hated them?
He obviously knew he was throwing out a load of BS with the "sandpaper for fingertips" antislogan.
 
Typical form over function. Bezels are actually quite useful on a tablet with capacitative touch.

Thinner bezel actually serves a rather useful purpose. A 7.85" tablet with iPad's proportion is much wider than 7" Android tablets. My guess is that Apple will try to cram as much display surface with thin bezel left and right.

I've been using RIM PlayBook, a 7" tablet, for a while and the bezel is much too wide on this thing. I don't think a 7" tablet needs that much bezel because they are much lighter and easier to hold than a 10" tablet.

So the iPhone is completely unique? The first touchscreen driven smartphone to ever exist, and every phone that came out afterwards is a complete ripoff of it? Nope. Like I said before, all smartphones were heading in the general direction of the iPhone. It was one of the first, but not THE first.

I've tried a number of touch feature phones starting with the LG Prada followed by Samsung AMOLED Haptic, LG New Chocolate, etc, and their all touch interface was atrocious.

They were terrible devices that often felt more like using older touch screen PDAs in many ways. The iPhone really was unique in its UI.


I was going to say, if stupid pictures are the thing of the day....

Something tells me that first phone in that picture was a 100% Motorola device. Not to mention Prada and iPhone came out at about the same time.
 
This topic seems split between the open minded, and Steve's disciples.

Only in the Garden of Apple does one man have so much power over others. It's amazing to witness. I wonder how many years will pass before the hero worship fades.
 
I hope it happens. I want a second iPad (my daughter has taken over the first) and a smaller one would fit me a little better. If they keep it to $250 or so then I'm in for one.

Maybe Apple is going to aim for the Nook/Kindle buyer?

This was my thought. Since I got my new Mac, my wife has posted up on the iPad for the last 6 months. I mentioned that I would get the iPad Mini if it turns out to be true and it is reasonably priced.

But now she is plotting on that toy too :(
 
Something tells me that first phone in that picture was a 100% Motorola device.

??? That's the ROKR, the phone that Apple worked on with Motorola to be iTunes compatible.

Among other problems, Apple crippled it by requiring a 100 song limit (!) so it could not compete with the iPod.

Here's a YouTube video of an obviously unexcited Steve Jobs introducing "the iTunes phone" as the "one more thing" in September 2005.
 
??? That's the ROKR, the phone that Apple worked on with Motorola to be iTunes compatible.

Exactly. It was a phone that was given "iTunes compatibility". Apple had nothing to do with it otherwise. By writing "Apple's phone effort", the image implies that Apple actually had something to do with the phone's hardware and software whereas there was nothing Apple-y about it other than being iTunes compatible.
 
Exactly. It was a phone that was given "iTunes compatibility". Apple had nothing to do with it otherwise.

Oh sure, of course they would say that after it flopped ;)

At its intro, Apple wrote this press release, including the statement:

We’ve worked closely with Motorola to deliver the world’s best music experience on a mobile phone,” said Steve Jobs.

By writing "Apple's phone effort", the image implies that Apple actually had something to do with the phone's hardware and software whereas there was nothing Apple-y about it other than being iTunes compatible.

As you probably noticed, ChazUK was mocking all the other "stupid pictures" that get posted here all the time, with supposed before and after correlations :)
 
I wonder if this will signal the death knell for the iPod line. I could see them finally (officially) killing the iPod shuffle and the iPod classic and rebranding the nano and the touch under the iPad moniker. That would leave:

iPad nano
iPad touch
iPad mini
iPad

and iPhone

I think this is supported especially if the touch is going to get the same screen-size bump the iPhone is.

Also worth considering that when the iTV is finally out there, either iTunes or iPod is likely going to get dropped from the navigation on Apple.com. And even if the future of iTunes on Mac is to be disassembled into its constituent parts so that it actually is easy to use and navigate, on PCs its always going to remain the singular iTunes hub, which means that's probably not getting dropped.

iPod makes up no sales now, and investors don't care what happens to it. Suddenly creating new iPad products that boost the bottom line in the highly competitive tablet market, however, would surely please investors.
 
As you probably noticed, ChazUK was mocking all the other "stupid pictures" that get posted here all the time, with supposed before and after correlations :)

Someone gets it!

This is one of my favourites:

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Leaves out so many other iPad like tablets (and seems to heavily feature ruggedised tablets) to get an agenda driven point across. Why not include tablets like the TC1100 which has a uniform design in these comparisons?

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:D
 
Samsung

I used to work in logistics, and part of the company shipped out electrical goods. We always dealt with the latest tech and, after the iPad had been out for a while, I thought Samsung's efforts were good. I think this mini ipad will sell well if it's cheaper than it's daddy version.
 
Oh sure, of course they would say that after it flopped ;)
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We’ve worked closely with Motorola to deliver the world’s best music experience on a mobile phone,” said Steve Jobs.

And that's the iTunes compatibility. It didn't even look like the contemporary iPod.

As you probably noticed, ChazUK was mocking all the other "stupid pictures" that get posted here all the time, with supposed before and after correlations :)

Which I understand except the image posted by ChazUK is even more "stupid". The evidence presented by that image wasn't even an Apple design.

And does anyone think there's actually no correlations between Apple products' success and immediate followers? Apple might or might not be the first one to bring out the basic form factor of iPhone or iPad but it's such an obvious thing that everyone else is copying Apple's success. I don't know why that's even debatable. Yes, I know people hate the smugness of Apple supporters and that Apple isn't the only creative company in the world, but they deserve the full credit for going full in with design decisions first.



Leaves out so many other iPad like tablets (and seems to heavily feature ruggedised tablets) to get an agenda driven point across. Why not include tablets like the TC1100 which has a uniform design in these comparisons?
:D

Simple. Nobody copied TC1100 when it was around because it wasn't particularly successful. The current tablets look much more like iPad, not TC110. The same thing can be said for Sony Vaio Z. It had some elements of current Ultrabooks but current Ultrabooks are so obviously heavily influenced by MBA not Vaio Z.
 
I think the correct link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAjfUT8wZI

Some points may be debatable.

Seing as so many use this as "proof" that Steve would never allow the 7.85 iPad to be released, could one of those folks give me an example of what he's saying here actually applying to the 7.85 iPad?
All I hear is him bashing the competitors smaller 7" tablets using a salesman's sometimes creative approach to the truth.
The only argument that really seems to apply to the 7.85 is calling it a tweener ... which is precisely why many folk's want it -- you trade a bit of extra squint and pinch and zoom for extra portability (and lower cost) .
 
Lol the user is clumsy not the device..

Millions sold and yet I have never heard it being "clumsy"

Hey iapplelove, read it again. I said in my humble opinion. I'm entitled to believe that it's clumsy whether the rest of the world agrees.

Of course you aren't going to see my point being the owner of 2 iPads... :rolleyes:
 
i havent seen it being sold for that price on the currys website ?

There was a voucher going round...its finished now

Well actually the 13s (previous generation) outsold both the 15s and the MacBook Air by a huge margin, despite arguably combining the worst parts of each rather than the best.

I think though, that if there is a smaller iPad, it will broaden the category, rather than cannibalize it. I don't think Apple will match the competition on price, but go for about $50 higher, in order to make it a more desirable, premium product, even in the lower end of the market.

That still sounds attractive to me. I hope they go for it but doubt they will.
IF they do, it will be low res. or something silly will be missing, the first gens always are.

Thats with a thirdparty hack with an app called Ultimate rotation. I have not used it so I am not sure how to effects the device as a whole. Google wants you to use it mostly in protrait view. Funny how people say Android is so open and flexible comparied to iOS.

Thats because it is 'open'...as open as you get today anyway. If you want to change it, change it....iOS if you want to change it, then...just want to cause you won't be able to!
 
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