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Additionally, the OpenCL dispatch engine should be able to dispatch to the x86 cores also. Given that i3/i5/i7 improve the ability to run parallel computation threads will get a performance boost from OpenCL if just dispatch to those. GCD + OpenCL is suppose to maximize what you have no matter what you have. The idea is to let the OS figure out how best to do that.

Except that OpenCL isn't widely used, yet. If these threads end up running on the CPU anyway, not many Mac developers will go through the trouble of redesigning their algorithms for OpenCL. Using OpenCL on regular cores is not as efficient as regular code, either.
 
Hmm, the MacPro with the Xeon 5500/5300 was on the market approx a month before the other vendors. Similarly how is this page:

http://www.apple.com/macpro/features/processor.html

not an advertisement for Intel. 'Intel' appears 7 times and there is a direct link to the intel website.

No apple doesn't talk specific CPU model numbers. Specific CPU model numbers don't build overall corporate brand awareness.

You can bet that when Apple introduces the i3/i5/i7 version of the laptops that will be at least a couple paragraphs if not a whole web page devoted to how "insanely great" it is that Intel (not AMD or anybody else) merged the CPU and most of the formerly classic northbridge onto one package. It will be battery life / power savings / better Stream, office application, 2D graphics , etc. benchmarks / something.


Likewise Apple currently running 9400m up and down almost its entire lineup is beneficial to Intel? No. If Intel wipes that out .... there is no upside for Intel in that?

EFI .... developed by Intel and implemented across the line up by Apple. Who else has done that? (sure Apple isn't unhappy that folks didn't follow along with that. )


Sure Apple lags on adoption of the "Extreme" and high thermal versions of the mainstream chip lines. Likewise doesn't peddle the VT crippled ones nor the Atom stuff. (although folks speculated they'd use Atom over and over again. Go back and look at any Pine Trail announcement here on macrumors. ). Nor does Apple put those tacky stickers on their products. However, Apple puts Intel's overall brand name out there over and over again in several major announcements. Much better than the days when running ads about how their products are snails or the possible alternative universe where that MacPro page extolds the virtues of Opteron. (effectively very similar arch benefits )

Apple has a relatively smaller product line up that other vendors their size. They also have a more spread out product release cycle ( goes with having fewer, non-overlapping products). So the opportunities to synchronize an Apple hype cycle with an Intel one is fewer. Doesn't mean they don't exist.

The laptops all got refreshed relatively close to before the mobile i3/i5/i7 product release came. They are a bit out of synch and so Apple will be rolling out after instead of before. Apple isn't going to bend over backwards to promote Intel; just when it is convenient and synergistic.


You're totally reading into it though. Of course Intel cares for Apple's business, and I'm positive Apple gets some kick back from Intel for putting badges and information on their website. And they definitely want to compete for their business -- just like they want to compete for HP and Dell's business. This happens with in ANY major vendor relationship. Hell, even PayPal gives large online stores kick backs for placing their logos on them.

But you implied that Intel bends over backwards for Apple, just because Apple carries a lot of hype. In reality, not only does Intel not care about Apples hype compared to the sales they get from hundreds of other vendors, but the hype you're talking about is constrained to a specific market of Apple loyalists.

Remember that the Intel literature is on the Apple site, not the other way around.
 
No way Apple is getting a x86 license.

They don't need one. IBM and GlobalFoundries have them. Standard x86-startup-company technique is to design an x86 and let IBM do the fabrication using their license.

Not that I see Apple doing anything like that - just pointing out the licensing situation.
 
Why would Apple want to waste all that time and effort into making a CPU though, when they could buy a superior one for cheaper. IF they wanted to be unique again they would just adopt the Cell or watever IBM's next creation is.
 
They don't need one. IBM and GlobalFoundries have them. Standard x86-startup-company technique is to design an x86 and let IBM do the fabrication using their license.

Not that I see Apple doing anything like that - just pointing out the licensing situation.
Does having a x86 license also mean you have a x86_64 one as well?
 
I don't think so. I'm probably wrong, but doesn't AMD do the licensing for x64?

We invented the AMD64 extensions, which are licensed for free to whoever wants them. You still need a license for the underlying x86 aspect, as well as a bus license, if applicable.

Does having a x86 license also mean you have a x86_64 one as well?

No, but, as I note above, AMD licenses AMD64 to whoever wants it. And, of course, AMD uses hypertransport which is freely licensed, but of no use if you want to do Intel chipsets. AMD uses a much more open approach.
 
You think we'll have the update at 23 Fev or after ipad???

If Apple waits until the iPad, it'll be the longest time taken to upgrade the Macbook Pro, so I expect it to either be the 23rd, or early march.
 
Me too...
I am waiting since September.

I think that Steve Jobs is my friend :p


Usually we have different graphic cards at big updates... as Apple didn't schedule any event, I think that mbp will continue with 9600GT with manual switch.
 

Correct me if I am wrong, but after perusing these articles, my thoughts are as follows:

(1) The Intel HD is benchmarked running at 733MHz and 900 MHz and the benchmarks do not really show it having an advantage over the NV9400M.
(2) In addition, only the 900MHz Intel HD generally (and marginally) outperforms the ATI 785G (700 MHz) while the ATI 785G 700MHz generally performs better than the Intel HD 733MHz.
(3) The problem with applying these results to a usage scenario for OS X is that the Intel HD mobile version is only clocked at 500MHz. It seems to me that given the lower frequency of the mobile version of the Intel's HD chip, it would be a big step backward for Apple from the current 9400M.

So, is there any word how long it may take for the NVidia-Intel dispute to be settled?
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but after perusing these articles, my thoughts are as follows:

(1) The Intel HD is benchmarked running at 733MHz and 900 MHz and the benchmarks do not really show it having an advantage over the NV9400M.
(2) In addition, only the 900MHz Intel HD generally (and marginally) outperforms the ATI 785G (700 MHz) while the ATI 785G 700MHz generally performs better than the Intel HD 733MHz.
(3) The problem with applying these results to a usage scenario for OS X is that the Intel HD mobile version is only clocked at 500MHz. It seems to me that given the lower frequency of the mobile version of the Intel's HD chip, it would be a big step backward for Apple from the current 9400M.

So, is there any word how long it may take for the NVidia-Intel dispute to be settled?

Depends on Intel. On another note, I truely hope Apple switches to ATI this time around, their current mobile GPUs are sooo much better than Nvidias current offerings.
 
I say tuesday...

mabey cos thats when itunes are gonna get to 10 billion songs, and really the mbp is just about due for an update cos the average isnt 200 days its more like the macbook air cos they've been updated the same time since the last like 2 uppdates, so this tuesday would make alot of sense to be updated
 
For what it's worth, I'll cry if Apple use Optimus in the MBPs. (Not really, but I'll be pretty pissed/disappointed). I'll be happy if Apple uses the AMD 5650, and ecstatic if there are 5830 options on the top end.

I hope Steve's trying to kill a leak at Apple by sliding false Optimus information. Surely someone at Apple would have enough brains to realise that as a 5650 is faster than a 330M, and almost certainly uses less power, it is preferable in a professional laptop?
 
MBPs have the ability to switch processors "live"

OS X doesn't have the functionality yet to do that but the hardware can switch on the fly already. It could be substantially easier for the end user - triggering switching by something as painless as GPU temperature - but Apple has yet to come to the realization that people actually use the computers they build with the software pre installed...

Sometimes I think Apple refuses to do industry compliant work because they're too insulated and lazy.

http://www.osnews.com/story/22850
 
The release date

Hi guys! :D


I'm gonna buy this new macbook pro. I really dont give a F_U*C_(K) about what's going to be included in the update, I just dont want to buy a macbook now when I know there's something new/better in just a few days.

So? You think it's going to be released the 23rd like several has mentioned?
 
These things are going to be released soon no doubt. Apple has had ample time to make the changes. Everyone else has had theirs out a couple months now.

I don't think they'll be sticking with the 9600m, because that card is wildly outdated (in terms of what a macbook pro costs) and we cant wait another 9 months or more for a new GPU.
 
:)

Asus was first with NVIDIA Optimus: U30JC, UL50VF, N82JV, N61JV i N71JV.
I am afraid that Apple can not offer anything else than the competitors have.
 
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