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You look at why you switched from Windows to Mac, and you find out that all the good stuff that made you switch has been obliterated by the "your device is mine" band that now runs Apple.

Not Windows/Mac, but after having 6 iPhones since the launch, my new phone is a Galaxy S8. Just got tired of their crap.
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1. I agree with you on that one. Start cutting spending, not calling the slowed down rate of rise a “cut”. (I.e. “we were going to raise spending by 10%, and now we’re only raising it by 8%, so that’s a 2% cut, or if we look at it as a percentage, that’s a 20% cut!!!”

This is the biggest load of crap shoveled on the American people and should be banned.

Why would it be so bad for the Federal Government to Freeze spending at current levels and if a Department needs more money, they go to Congress and ask for it. Don't just give them 10% automatically every year. Who else gets to live like that? We don't even have to actually cut spending, a simple Freeze would do wonders for the deficit.
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If republicans truly wanted a tax break don't you think they would have written in permanently into law like they did the business tax breaks?

Sorry, some of us are not so easily fooled by the rights tactics.

Not the conspiracy theory you are making it out to be. The simple fact is due to the budget rules, to use a reconciliation bill that would only need a majority vote to pass the Senate, the individual tax cuts had to expire after 5 years. Otherwise they would have needed 60 votes in the Senate to close debate.

Please don't ask me the arcane rules that lead to this because I can't. :confused:
 
Could’ve saved yourself from this rant.


No it’s only
Complex, for you, when politicians you hate with a passion start doing the right thing and contradict your dogmatic belief system and what you’re told by the media. It’s veru difficult to cope with.

Your anecdote about losing money was unconvincing as well. If you were on affordable care plan, good. Don’t wanna be paying for your subsidy.

But please, keep going as you see fit

The resistance isn’t aging well. One year in. They’re getting clobbered by reality left and right (Figuratively speaking but also the establishment left and right are also getting shook. It’s magical to watch fall apart)

Wow, talk about being bitter...please feel free to study history and economics and then come back and talk about tax policy's and what huge tax cuts for the rich do to an economy over time - because it appears you have no concept of reality for what the US has gone through multiple times.

And no, I wasn't on subsidized health insurance, but even if I was, what a horrible thing to say, think and feel about people who are in positions where they need help. It's an ugly and disturbing thing for you to say and feel about millions of people who are unemployed, under-payed, under or uninsured. I hope you're never in a position to need the help of society, because I fear for your mental health with the cognitive dissonance you'll end up experiencing.
 
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Apple is using the tax cuts to expand some in the US. Cool. They can also turn around and contract later and they'll come out better financially. I wouldn't be so eager to credit Trump with anything... they pay 38 bil in taxes and get 40 bil in tax breaks and they add some positions, but none are guaranteed to be really good jobs nor are they guaranteed to stick around for long.

They could easily hire 20k contractors. Come on. It's never as clear as it looks.
 
Wow, talk about being bitter...please feel free to study history and economics and then come back and talk about tax policy's and what huge tax cuts for the rich do to an economy over time - because it appears you have no concept of reality for what the US has gone through multiple times.

And no, I wasn't on subsidized health insurance, but even if I was, what a horrible thing to say, think and feel about people who are in positions where they need help. It's an ugly and disturbing thing for you to say and feel about millions of people who are unemployed, under-payed, under or uninsured. I hope you're never in a position to need the help of society, because I fear for your mental health with the cognitive dissonance you'll end up experiencing.

Speaking in platitudes as an argument once again. Why am I not surprised. “Study history and economics and then cOme talk to me.” That’s a hard pass on your lucrative offer, with no reward or end in sight to your dissatisfaction- based armchair historian economist professor

Yes, it’s messed up people who have to pay for uninsured people when they don’t have insurance themselves and have to incur a penalty due to the mandate. It’s also not constitutional. Interesting mandate coming from someone who was a constitutional scholar, no less.

That offends you? Tough.

Obama was a community organizer. With bad policy. It showed.

...People complain endlessly current president has an ego through the roof which I can concede but- Did the previous president ever have time to do his job after pandering to Hollywood and appearing on every late night show possible?

It was perverse invasion of pop culture

And here people are fake outraged over tweets.

But none of this has to do with the subject of APPLE NEWS. a stay on the course

I know it’s tough with him living rent free in your brain, but try
 
Hey may very well. Remember, the loudmouth libs and their news network buddies were totally caught off guard by Trump the first time around. They got a lot of early votes going to Hillary and it all looked like it was "supposed to" in their eyes. Then...and I hate to put it like this but once the employed normal people got off of work and started voting - Rut Roe! The tide turned quickly and we know how it ended. Libby meltdowns everywhere. It was freegin awesome and not because Im a big Trump fan but more becasue watching the crying and whining was priceless. :D

What the Dems and other Libbies dont get is that a large part of the quiet(aka not obnoxious protester or whiny types) majority was tired of the same old Political BS and that is 100% what Hillary was going to give you. Shes a liar, a crook and a pure fraud. Many women hated her. So, the "quiet majority "said No Thanks to her crap and decided to give Donnie a chance. Why NOT? What the !@#$ has any career politician done for anyone in this country? Nothing.

So I suspect many of the same foilks that voted for Donnie are going to again unless the Dems come up with a truly qualified, NON-political and/or NON-Hollywood person to run. So, forget the Oprah Winfrey idea. Gauranteed loss. Only a complete moron would vote for her.

My bet is that the people who thought that Hillary was a crook, now realize that Trump is a crook / snake oil salesman (among other things) and that the promised jobs for coal and steel workers are never going to materialize. And that the $1000 tax savings most people are supposed to get won't offset the huge increases in health insurance costs many people face.

If you're rich, democrat or republican (or independent), you're going to do just fine for the next few years. I think Trump's bombastic way did one good thing, which is to put large corporations in a position of fear for being called out by him, which is why many are offering up these ginormous bonuses to their workforce. Of course, companies will continue to lay off employees, move factories to other countries and import more product from China than they produce in the US, but those things will mostly be swept under the carpet or be blamed on democrats.

What's really maddening is deals like what the State of Wisconsin offered to Foxconn, providing what is essentially corporate welfare in an amount that will cost Wisconsin taxpayers more per potential employee (something like $250k) that Foxconn may hire over the next 10 years. Not complaining about the upgrades to the infrastructure in the state needed to supply a giant factory, but very short-sighted to give so much money to an industry that is already moving towards full automation. I had owned a small business in the most depressed county in the state and couldn't get a dime from the state to help the company grow and hire more people, but they're willing to give up $3.5 billion on the hopes of hiring 11,000 people, maybe, in the next 10 years.
 
My bet is that the people who thought that Hillary was a crook, now realize that Trump is a crook / snake oil salesman (among other things) and that the promised jobs for coal and steel workers are never going to materialize. And that the $1000 tax savings most people are supposed to get won't offset the huge increases in health insurance costs many people face.

If you're rich, democrat or republican (or independent), you're going to do just fine for the next few years. I think Trump's bombastic way did one good thing, which is to put large corporations in a position of fear for being called out by him, which is why many are offering up these ginormous bonuses to their workforce. Of course, companies will continue to lay off employees, move factories to other countries and import more product from China than they produce in the US, but those things will mostly be swept under the carpet or be blamed on democrats.

What's really maddening is deals like what the State of Wisconsin offered to Foxconn, providing what is essentially corporate welfare in an amount that will cost Wisconsin taxpayers more per potential employee (something like $250k) that Foxconn may hire over the next 10 years. Not complaining about the upgrades to the infrastructure in the state needed to supply a giant factory, but very short-sighted to give so much money to an industry that is already moving towards full automation. I had owned a small business in the most depressed county in the state and couldn't get a dime from the state to help the company grow and hire more people, but they're willing to give up $3.5 billion on the hopes of hiring 11,000 people, maybe, in the next 10 years.

Whats maddening is middle class that are employees for many of these employers that have pledged additional bonuses immediately followed tax cut bill, will see more $ in their wallet

That coupled with taxed less per paycheck and physically seeing more on their pay stub

Speaking in hysterical abstracts will be de bunked yet again. All of a sudden all the resistance has to offer is hypotheticals and misery. Nothing new and not appealing To earn votes much less respect.

But please, please. Go on about your anecdote about how this is all smokes and mirrors and you paying more in insurance without getting Into any specifics, throws the wrench in the plan for every one else in middle class who is getting to keep more $

Go on with
Your replies, maybe that’ll impeach the fairly elected president who middle
Class voted for because HRC simply didn’t stand for Them. Couldn’t even stand for herself - did you see collapse on sept 11 memorial in New York? Blamed it on the heat. It was a chilly morning that morning in New York. The media is obsessed with trumps health, that was de bunked, and yet Hillary can hardly walk and now has a surgical boot. And YouTube “Hillary iced chai” — because that’s totally normal,
Healthy behavior having a seizure on camera and having Hillaryites fawn over it like it’s a gift from above. Or some sorta miracle.

She lost in Wisconsin. She cared so much about them she didn’t bother to show up — and people that went to the polls made that clear they didn’t like that.

“Rich will be fine” that goes without say

Middle class will be booming though. And I can’t wait to see your salty bitter tears as it all unravels despite you constantly refusing to consider that is not only a real possibility, but on track to be a reality.
 
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I’m trying to understand that. Did that mean that the increased economic activity after the tax cut would have meant more money coming in, but with the tax cut, more dollars came in, but it wasn’t the amount that would have been realized had there been no tax cut?

The nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation said that the new tax law would increase the national debt by more than $1 trillion over the next ten years, even taking into account new economic growth sparked by the lower tax rates. That's what I mean.
 
Speaking in platitudes as an argument once again. Why am I not surprised. “Study history and economics and then cOme talk to me.” That’s a hard pass on your lucrative offer, with no reward or end in sight to your dissatisfaction- based armchair historian economist professor

Yes, it’s messed up people who have to pay for uninsured people when they don’t have insurance themselves and have to incur a penalty due to the mandate. It’s also not constitutional. Interesting mandate coming from someone who was a constitutional scholar, no less.

That offends you? Tough.

Obama was a community organizer. With bad policy. It showed.

...People complain endlessly current president has an ego through the roof which I can concede but- Did the previous president ever have time to do his job after pandering to Hollywood and appearing on every late night show possible?

It was perverse invasion of pop culture

And here people are fake outraged over tweets.

But none of this has to do with the subject of APPLE NEWS. a stay on the course

I know it’s tough with him living rent free in your brain, but try

Being a bit dense as I am, are you saying you're not going to study history and economics over time?

Love your whataboutism too!

Great come back.

The current president has an ego, no doubt about that, but that's not what people don't like about him. It's his constant lying (for no good reason) and racism and hatred that he spews, not to mention his wasting taxpayer dollars golfing every weekend. It might also have to do with his trying to portray himself as looking out for "the forgotten white middle aged man", while what he is actually doing is looking out for the can't forget old white man currently being called the president.
 
Being a bit dense as I am, are you saying you're not going to study history and economics over time?

Love your whataboutism too!

Great come back.

The current president has an ego, no doubt about that, but that's not what people don't like about him. It's his constant lying (for no good reason) and racism and hatred that he spews, not to mention his wasting taxpayer dollars golfing every weekend. It might also have to do with his trying to portray himself as looking out for "the forgotten white middle aged man", while what he is actually doing is looking out for the can't forget old white man currently being called the president.

MLK’s nephew said he isn’t racist. On MLK Day. Flat out

Don Lemon threw a tantrum after that. For not getting what he wanted out of MLK’s nephew and said he didn’t even have him on, that wasn’t his doing. How disresperful is that?




It’s sickening that you would rather see the president you don’t like fail than America succeed. That’s the kinda person you appear
To be

Now we’re onto racism. Because your insurance anecdote was flimsy and fell with the slightest of winds. You are all over the place with topic and can’t stick with one, because you have no argument. You and I both know that but I’m engaging with ya despite that.

And because your “rich will be alright middle class is doomed” omen is ridiculous too. That’s what Chuck and Nancy do.

Keep going. Must be so exhausting making stuff up constantly
To cope with nov 8 2016 but whatever works for
You

To be fair- I don’t think it is working as a coping mechanism. But entertained, I am

Your encouragement to read up on history and economics... When you can’t accept basic things like “people are seeing bigger bonuses” and “more per paycheck”

No I must be an economist with a PhD to fully grasp just how detrimental middle
Class making more money will be to society. Shame on me right?

there must be some long explanation for how these are bad, evil things for middle class. Things that would have been universally applauded had Obama been able to do that. But he didn’t not in 8 years much less not at the end of his first year. It’s impressive. It even has Timmy singing his praises who hates Trump.

The resistance’s lack of logic knows no limits.
 
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1. I agree with you on that one. Start cutting spending, not calling the slowed down rate of rise a “cut”. (I.e. “we were going to raise spending by 10%, and now we’re only raising it by 8%, so that’s a 2% cut, or if we look at it as a percentage, that’s a 20% cut!!!”

2. Predictions are the ultimate in vapor ware.

3. From my perspective, killing the mandate was critical. Forcing someone to buy something they don’t want as a condition of being alive is immoral. Comparing it to car insurance is a non-sequitur, as I don’t need car insurance to live in this country. Lots of people in New York City don’t have cars, and don’t need auto insurance. Then again, it’s hard to have a discussion with words, such as “proper” and hypotheticals. I prefer to look at the cause and effects of things in the past, and apply them to the policies of today. Here is my non-vapor ware solution: “The Affordable Care Act is repealed, effective 1/1/2019.” 8 words.

4. Again, predictions. Apple said they’d build more stuff, hire 20,000 people, and give their employees $2,500 in share options (correct me if I’m wrong on that, or if it’s a share grant - doing this from memory)

1. That's a detour to another subject that I'd probably lump in with "should we go to zero based budgeting?" On the topic itself of reducing spending, my point was that the GOP does not focus on paying for the tax cut anyway, except by using what you might term "vaporware", i.e. predictions that trickle-down will wash out revenue cuts over time. And by making the detour you manage to avoid the next step in spending cuts consideration, which is "what government functions should bear the cuts?". So not only does the GOP try to sell in the discredited idea of trickle-down, it also tries to hand off to the Democrats any necessity of tinkering with social safety net spending. Why should Dems step up to that plate again. Last time we did it, Clinton stacked up a nice surplus raising taxes and cutting spending... and then the neocons said oh I know let's do regime change in Iraq. And yeah, I got a long list of idiot Dems went along with that when it went down. So it's a bipartisan shell game but that doesn't let the 115th Congress of the hook for this massive heist.

2. You really don't think the 115th Congress can pass an infrastructure bill based on giving contracts to private companies in exchange for their ending up able to profit off their investment by charging tolls on more roads and bridges. Talk about vaporware, that would be an example.

3. The American people made it stunningly clear they disapproved of where the ACA was being taken over the summer by the Republicans. The ditching of the mandate was a sop to the far right which has done absolutely nothing to shore up medical care coverage in the USA. Fixing the ACA remains unfinished business. The GOP is well aware of this issue as one of the most pressing ones in the eyes of Republican women in suburban and rural areas, where Democrats have won many special elections in the ensuing months, most recently in Wisconsin where even Paul Ryan acknowledged the GOP has to take a look at that trend.

4. Wall Street is a little more cynical than you are. They're saying Apple's press release was geared more to the political than to the financial -- and to me it did seem pretty carefully wordsmithed in that regard-- and they're suggesting that bottom line, Apple's repatriation of funds from abroad will end up mostly in share buybacks and increased dividends, as with other multinationals, and in Apple's case then also in some add-on acquisitions. For example, in Bloomberg: link
 
Also, the net neutrality problem is not going to be something that smacks everyone over the head the moment the rules change. These ISPs aren't that stupid. The changes will come slowly at first, but a decade later things will be very different from how they are today.

not worried the slightest. EVERYTHING could be different 10 years from now.
 
My bet is that the people who thought that Hillary was a crook, now realize that Trump is a crook / snake oil salesman (among other things) and that the promised jobs for coal and steel workers are never going to materialize. And that the $1000 tax savings most people are supposed to get won't offset the huge increases in health insurance costs many people face.

If you're rich, democrat or republican (or independent), you're going to do just fine for the next few years. I think Trump's bombastic way did one good thing, which is to put large corporations in a position of fear for being called out by him, which is why many are offering up these ginormous bonuses to their workforce. Of course, companies will continue to lay off employees, move factories to other countries and import more product from China than they produce in the US, but those things will mostly be swept under the carpet or be blamed on democrats.

What's really maddening is deals like what the State of Wisconsin offered to Foxconn, providing what is essentially corporate welfare in an amount that will cost Wisconsin taxpayers more per potential employee (something like $250k) that Foxconn may hire over the next 10 years. Not complaining about the upgrades to the infrastructure in the state needed to supply a giant factory, but very short-sighted to give so much money to an industry that is already moving towards full automation. I had owned a small business in the most depressed county in the state and couldn't get a dime from the state to help the company grow and hire more people, but they're willing to give up $3.5 billion on the hopes of hiring 11,000 people, maybe, in the next 10 years.

I dont disagree with a lot of what you're saying here. Hillary is a worthless piece of human ****, no doubt about that. Donnie is a little shady too but at least hes not a career politician. Thats what people didnt want, IMO. Im not some blindly loyal right winger despite what some may think. I actually find ALL politicians on either side of the aisle pretty useless. I actually feol that Dems and Repugs work together to keep themselves in power. Sucks :(

The Wisconsin thing and other stuff is a bunch of crap, yes. If you have to bend over financially to make a business join your state then you've lost the reason to bring them there in the first place. Its stupid.
 
Not Windows/Mac, but after having 6 iPhones since the launch, my new phone is a Galaxy S8. Just got tired of their crap.
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This is the biggest load of crap shoveled on the American people and should be banned.

Why would it be so bad for the Federal Government to Freeze spending at current levels and if a Department needs more money, they go to Congress and ask for it. Don't just give them 10% automatically every year. Who else gets to live like that? We don't even have to actually cut spending, a simple Freeze would do wonders for the deficit.

We've actually had reduced annual discretionary spending a number of times since 2010. That's not just a reduction in the rate of growth of discretionary spending, but a reduction on an actual dollars basis. Discretionary spending was more or less flat for 2011, but then declined for 2012, again for 2013, again for 2014, and again for 2015. It was considerably lower for 2016 than it was for 2010 (and somewhat lower than it was for 2009). Even if we add in the new programatic spending from ObamaCare, it was lower in 2016 than it was in 2010.

Of course, total spending climbed for most (but not all) of those years, though at a much slower rate than had become the norm. Total spending climbed because programatic spending (e.g. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, spending on veterans' programs) climbed at a fast rate. Most politicians aren't willing to step in front of those speeding trains. But when it comes to spending that we choose each year, rather than that which happened pursuant to existing laws (which there hasn't been much willingness to change), we've been cutting spending lately. That's true for both defense discretionary spending and non-defense discretionary spending. For my part, I'd be on board for cutting it (and other spending) further.

Not the conspiracy theory you are making it out to be. The simple fact is due to the budget rules, to use a reconciliation bill that would only need a majority vote to pass the Senate, the individual tax cuts had to expire after 5 years. Otherwise they would have needed 60 votes in the Senate to close debate.

Please don't ask me the arcane rules that lead to this because I can't. :confused:

There are a number of resources which might help people understand how the reconciliation process works, if they're interested (or masochists). See, e.g., this CRS report.

But, yeah, the nuances of the rules aside, some of the tax cuts had to expire in order for Republicans to be able to use the reconciliation process to pass the legislation and not need to get 60 votes (for cloture) in the Senate. Republicans painted themselves into a bit of a corner with the budget resolution they passed in October. Per the rules of reconciliation, certain details are set out in such budget resolutions which limit what can be done through the reconciliation process. Notably here there were two important limitations. The new legislation couldn't (be projected to) increase the deficit by more than $1.5 trillion total and it couldn't increase the deficit in the out years (i.e. those more than 10 years out) at all unless increases in those years were fully offset by reductions in the prior 10 years.

Those limitations meant that some tax cuts had to expire and that those which were permanent, and which increased the deficit in the out years, needed to be offset in those out years by changes which would decrease the deficit.

One correction though... the individual tax cuts don't, for the most part at least, expire until 2026.
 
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What proof do you have that Trump was pushing for typical republican tax policy on his own? Let’s not forget in 1999 he proposed a 14% wealth tax. Trump knew if he wanted to run as a Republican he had to suppor tax cuts and conservative judges.

Certainly it was not just President Trump, but he did contribute.

But lets also not forget the controversy during the primaries where he would not say he would only run as a Republican. If he did not get the nomination he was likely going to run as an independent. He was largely only loyal to himself and his beliefs, and with no voting record and flip flopping many times on issues historically, it made him a bit of a wild card in my eyes.

It is great if people are willing to listen to opposing views and have their mind open to potential change, but it makes it a bit hard to forecast their future actions.
 
It's not confusing at all. This is one small part of the tax bill. The fact that parts of that bill are good and benefit certain people, does not mean the entire thing is good for everyone.

"Certain people." Code word for just about everyone and the country as a whole. Massive job increases already, huge investment increases in future, 90% of people getting more each paycheck, millions getting much appreciated bonuses. Oh the carnage!
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No, they invested 500 million in 2013, which was to be repaid.

Today they are commiting to 350 BILLION, with no expectation to be directly repaid. Very very very different.


Quit confusing folks with facts. 500 million, 350 BILLION, what's the difference?
 
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Race won for Obama yes, racism didn't win for Trump, do you really think that there are that many racists?

Racism wasn't even a modern day problem until liberals started it back up in 2016.

Lol just want to see you do some mental gymnastics to make one statement and try to deny the other one. You imply people only voted for Obama because he was black. So therefore you do actually think there are that many racists, only the ones that fit your narrative, however. Cognitive dissonance is real. Racism isnt a modern day problem, maybe if you're white and your daddy gave you your only job. A woman got ran over and killed during a KKK rally this past year, get outside of the bubble my dude. Racism isnt a modern day problem, lol.
 
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