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Apple Plans to Repurpose Mesa, Arizona Sapphire Plant to Preserve Jobs

mozumder said:
Assembling = manufacturing.

The Mac Pro is manufactured in the US.
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No. There is a regulatory difference between "assembled" and "made".

The Mac Pro is assembled in the USA from mostly foreign made parts. Not enough parts are domestically made in the USA, so the MP literally says "Assembled in the USA" on it, instead of "Made in USA".

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Zellio said:
This is like Microsoft in the 80's... Bankrupting companies and taking them over for cheap.

I'm sure we will have tons of Replies from the Apple Defense Force soon.
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Except:

A: Apple did not go out and buy them

B: Apple lost money in the overall scheme of things.

So unless their goal was to bankrupt GTAT and lose money, they did not succeed.
 
Crzyrio said:
Except:

A: Apple did not go out and buy them

B: Apple lost money in the overall scheme of things.

So unless their goal was to bankrupt GTAT and lose money, they did not succeed.
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Microsoft would create joint ventures, call them off, and steal startups ideas. Microsoft also would do contract manipulations like this to startups. Microsoft did a lot of things to bankrupt startups in this manner if you actually looked at what they did instead of just blindly defending Apple all the time.
 
Did The Right Thing

Thank you, Apple. Actions like this (in my mind's eye) make up for shortfalls that sometimes happen in other areas.
 
So that's it? Apple just isn't going to make sapphire any more? How about leaving things the way they are and invest in people that can actually make the materials needed?
 
El Hikaru said:
Made in USA

Nothing sounds better than that.
It worth the investment to print this.
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and now, what people seem to overlook is the fact that in Upstate NY there is a chip revolution where cheap TSMC chips will be replaced by quality Samsung here. But most people see "Samsung" and think crappy phones, but overlook the chips. Classic MacRumors...:rolleyes:
 
iamMacPerson said:
The Mac Pro isn't the first Apple product line to made in the US, or even the first Mac. It seems everyone has forget the 70's and 80's.

Anyway, I see it being converted into possibly making MacBook Pros? Or more Mac Pros? Maybe the iMacs. I say the MacBook Pro since it would make sense to have both their professional lines manufactured in the US.
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MacPro already has a home! :cool:
 
Dekema2 said:
and now, what people seem to overlook is the fact that in Upstate NY there is a chip revolution where cheap TSMC chips will be replaced by quality Samsung here. But most people see "Samsung" and think crappy phones, but overlook the chips. Classic MacRumors...:rolleyes:
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You nailed it. NY will be the "Silicon Vally" of the East. People should look into the School of Nano Fabrication being finished at SUNY Albany. A 150 million dollar venture that will create amazing possibilities. It has it's own Fab and will partner mainly with Global Foundries Malta Plant. GF is still a startup some ways, but should turn a profit next Q. Having taken over IBM's Fabs, and hooking up with Samsung they will rock. Too many people confuse Samsung Mobile with Samsung's Fab Industry. Different worlds.

It's gonna be great !!!! :) :apple:
 
Shorter: the city was telegraphing a law suit which it may or may not have won but would have put Apple in a bad light and sucked all the energy out of the company during a critical Apple Watch launch. Far cheaper and more upside to just "repurpose" the plant.

Also, Apple did not "bankrupt" GT. If you understand the story behind GT's management's choices and the lack of quality in its product that led to it declaring bankruptcy that would be evident. But more importantly, GT filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, i.e., reorganization, not Chapter 7, liquidation. The company will streamline and move forward.
 
Zellio said:
Microsoft would create joint ventures, call them off, and steal startups ideas. Microsoft also would do contract manipulations like this to startups. Microsoft did a lot of things to bankrupt startups in this manner if you actually looked at what they did instead of just blindly defending Apple all the time.
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I am in no way blindly defending Apple. Other than blind speculation, YOU are the one assuming apple is doing exactly what Microsoft did.

Do show me the long list of startups that has gone bankrupt due to Apple. Or all those companies that Apple tricked into going bankrupt.
 
ApfelSchaf said:
A PR stunt, nothing more.
Color me unimpressed.
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Exactly...while I applaud Apple's attempt to "retain jobs", this isn't a good move from a corporate point of view. I give them a year to make a profit before they shut this plant down.
 
ActionableMango said:
No. There is a regulatory difference between "assembled" and "made".

The Mac Pro is assembled in the USA from mostly foreign made parts. Not enough parts are domestically made in the USA, so the MP literally says "Assembled in the USA" on it, instead of "Made in USA".

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This is a political statement, not an economic one. Please don't bring in political statements.

ALL things come from somewhere else. You can trace atoms of each part into a supernova somewhere.

Manufacturing is the final assembly of a product.

The Mac Pro meets the economic definition of being manufactured in the US.
 
Zellio said:
<snip> steal startups ideas.
<snip> bankrupt startups
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Hey Zellio,
I think you are stretching to make a connection.
What ideas do you think Apple might steal here? GT Advanced's big idea seems to fit loosely under the definition of "fraud". Or was it insider trading?
This company was not a start up.
No comment on the contract negotiations- there is a whole thread of them.
 
kingofwale said:
so.... essentially if you learn to read behind the propaganda...

Apple bankrupts a company and then takeovers it?
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Or some company signs an agreement they can't possibly fulfill and then plays stock games to cash in and bail. Proportionally, GT Advanced lost more but Apple lost billions in time and money. Hopefully they can turn this around.

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mozumder said:
This is a political statement, not an economic one. Please don't bring in political statements.

ALL things come from somewhere else. You can trace atoms of each part into a supernova somewhere.

Manufacturing is the final assembly of a product.

The Mac Pro meets the economic definition of being manufactured in the US.
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Actually it's more of a technical statement which is why it technically made in the USA. Nothing political about it.
 
Mashurrab said:
The Mac mini should be the best Mac to be built there.
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Well there's lots of skilled welders in the US, so they would have no problem welding the Mini shut. :D

I'd rather see an "xMac" assembly line set up in the US, preferably in a state that isn't filled with secessionist sentiment as AZ is. Build a headless iMac but slap a true desktop GPU in it. I'll gladly pay an extra $100 or whatever to cover the cost of American labor.

The ultimate goal should be mobile device production in the US. It's fine to start with low volume lines but if that's where it ends then it's mostly symbolic. Just imagine the economic boom every new iPhone model would create. It would be like the old times when the American auto industry powered the US economy. Something to be proud of. Something Americans could call their own, which also happened to Not Suck. :p
 
Zellio said:
Microsoft would create joint ventures, call them off, and steal startups ideas. Microsoft also would do contract manipulations like this to startups. Microsoft did a lot of things to bankrupt startups in this manner if you actually looked at what they did instead of just blindly defending Apple all the time.
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Yep. Sounds like Microsoft.

Not Apple though. There is no contract manipulation. All their suppliers, big and small, have to commit to their terms. This is because manufacturing is a high risk venture. Unlike software, you can't just "try".

Intel chose to walk away and now regret big time. ARM is in.
 
mozumder said:
This is a political statement, not an economic one. Please don't bring in political statements.

ALL things come from somewhere else. You can trace atoms of each part into a supernova somewhere.

Manufacturing is the final assembly of a product.

The Mac Pro meets the economic definition of being manufactured in the US.
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Maybe so, but none of the components are made in the US. The logic board and electrical parts (the REAL work) are all made overseas, then shipped to the US to be snapped and screwed together in a pretty but gimmicky enclosure.

It's like buying a ready made pie crust and a can of pie filling, opening the can and pouring it into the crust, and then serving it. If you told anyone you "made" the pie then you would be a LIAR.
 
osaga said:
They should just keep the furnaces and make their own sapphire, seems wasteful otherwise.
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I believe the furnaces were GT Advanced Technologies and they are now in bankruptcy court (to be sold off).

Nice to see Apple supporting the local area (after they committed to Apple) and trying to support the former employees some - I can't think of another company that would do that in such a situation (most others would wash their hands of the place and walk away).

This is an aspect of Apple that I really respect...doing something like this after the crash and burn of GT Advanced and the sapphire.


ActionableMango said:
No. There is a regulatory difference between "assembled" and "made".

The Mac Pro is assembled in the USA from mostly foreign made parts. Not enough parts are domestically made in the USA, so the MP literally says "Assembled in the USA" on it, instead of "Made in USA".
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It's a good point, with all the assembly overseas I really admire them doing as much as they can here in the U.S. - its so much better than all the other major computer makers. Hopefully they'll expand that further.
 
rGiskard said:
Maybe so, but none of the components are made in the US. The logic board and electrical parts (the REAL work) are all made overseas, then shipped to the US to be snapped and screwed together in a pretty but gimmicky enclosure.

It's like buying a ready made pie crust and a can of pie filling, opening the can and pouring it into the crust, and then serving it. If you told anyone you "made" the pie then you would be a LIAR.
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Go back and watch the Apple video on the manufacturing of the MP. Nothing gimmicky about it. :rolleyes:
 
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