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The first thing that popped into my mind when looking at Apple's website was that they are indeed playing it smart. They upped the screen size without sacrificing one handed use. They made it thinner and lighter without sacrificing core components. They made it more powerful without sacrificing battery. That is why I have been keen on their products for a while. They don't care about making something flashy and powerful that eats up resources. They care about the experience. Good call if you ask me.

I agree with all of your points wholeheartedly.
 
It's better to get a phone that is obsolete 3 months from now than getting a phone that is already obsolete. (iPhone 5)
 
It's better to get a phone that is obsolete 3 months from now than getting a phone that is already obsolete. (iPhone 5)

Outside of having a 4.8 screen... exactly WHAT makes the iphone 5 obsolete? Don't say the OS. lmao.

Dont say Flash.. because that's been discontinued...
 
"I'm betting they'll include it in iOS the next version" seems to be the answer to every software complaint since 2007. I gave up on that statement a long, long time ago.

I will change it for him. "It would be nice if they included it next year"

The toggle feature in the notification center would be nice to have because you could toggle it while you are still in whatever app you are using.

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All these arguments against the iPhone make me laugh. All the people talking about how it is already outdated and what now... Please explain that to me? and don't use screen size... Even though I wouldn't mind it being bigger, that certainly does not mean the phone is outdated...

Lets compare here... My iPhone 4S versus the Galaxy S3... The GS3 is a "Beast" compared to the 4S when looking at the internal specs, way better processor, 4 x the RAM, etc... Yet, my 4S still runs smoother than the GS3, it has a better touch screen than the GS3, it feels like a more solid product than the GS3 (And don't get me wrong, I like the GS3)

My apps run better on the iPhone 4S, but it is a "weak" 1 year old phone... Yet it was the highest selling phone of all time... it didn't have LTE... it sucks according to so many people, yet, so many people bought it. They obviously did not care that it did not have all the specs like some of the android phones.

I always used to love when my friends would try to throw LTE in my face... Yet they never used it because it slaughtered their battery (granted, phones like the GS3 are much better now).

It takes way too long to get OS updated on Android, their isn't an easy way to get personal support for the phones.

I was trying to fill in some information on AT&T's website to get U-Verse pricing using my GS3... For some reason, it got really laggy and unresponsive while I was trying to type in my address. I pulled out my 4S (work phone), and had no problem typing in that information. It seemed like a pretty simple task, yet the GS3 seemed to have such a problem with it.

There are plenty of things that Android as over Android, and there are plenty of things that Apple has over Android. I have a much better opinion of Android after using the GS3, but I still feel like iOS and the iPhone work better.
 
But LTE hasn't been available to more than a handful of areas for more than 6 months. That leaves your point about 1.5 years short of rational. Integrating LTE now is smart. 2 years ago was just hype over a then useless technology to majority of he consumers.
A handful? Verizon had 190 LTE markets in December 2011. Now they have over 300. My tiny town of 250 people - two hours away from the closest major city - has had LTE coverage for over a year.

Your statement is patently false.

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This is not directed at you personally, but all who say that Apple is only "catching up". When the first iPhone came out in 2007, most new phones (even some basic flip phones) already had 3g data capability. The original iPhone only supported 2g. Were you there lambasting Apple for coming out with a product that was way behind the times? Or were you in line to buy it, even though it was using "old" network technology? Somehow, they sold millions of them.
This is a fallacious argument because the OG iPhone had a lot more to offer than just data capability (capacitive screen, smooth scrolling, OS, apps, etc.) that no other device at the time offered.

The iPhone 5 is totally different since it offers nothing new.
 
It's true that the Apps are the most important thing, but Apple barely even get that right. Their Podcasts app is a joke, they hardly ever do anything to Mail, Music, Weather, Stocks, the notification centre is basic as... The Maps app has been forced upon them, and hopefully they've done a decent job. Otherwise, when paying so much money, it's not unreasonable to expect certain things.

I like the music app, and never use most of the stocks apps. Notification does need a massive leap forward though. The potential is definitely there.

Saying that, I'd rather have the notification centre on iOS than on android, even if it does have loads of toggles... it laggs like hell when swiping down. At least the iOS NC is very slick.

LTE has been on phones for almost two years. As much as six months ago, Verizon wasn't selling a single smartphone without LTE capability, except for the iPhone.

This is a catch up device, period.

With LTE and CMAD chip rolled into one? I don't think so. Apple waited until they could combine these two chips into one chip before they made iPhones work on LTE networks.

Again, VERY smart move. Not only did it mean amazing battery life, but it meant the device could stay thin and light. Think about it.

I wish they would update the lockscreen. It looks terrible.

You spend time looking at your lock screen? :p I don't spend more than 3 seconds looking at mine unless there are notifications there, and even then I'm not looking at the lock screen, I'm looking at the notifications.
 
You spend time looking at your lock screen? :p I don't spend more than 3 seconds looking at mine unless there are notifications there, and even then I'm not looking at the lock screen, I'm looking at the notifications.

Take a look at http://mycolorscreen.com/popular/?os=android

There are a lot of lock screen themes. A lot of them give you essential info, so 3 seconds you look at it, you know when is your next appointment, what's the weather like, how long it will take you to get there, and so on.
 
A handful? Verizon had 190 LTE markets in December 2011. Now they have over 300. My tiny town of 250 people - two hours away from the closest major city - has had LTE coverage for over a year.

Your statement is patently false.

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This is a fallacious argument because the OG iPhone had a lot more to offer than just data capability (capacitive screen, smooth scrolling, OS, apps, etc.) that no other device at the time offered.

The iPhone 5 is totally different since it offers nothing new.

Verizon had the most built out LTE network and were miles ahead of everyone else. AT&T was far more limited last year. Sprint is just getting started, and T-Mobile isn't starting until next year. Outside North America, LTE development is also far slower.

Also, the original iPhone didn't have apps. It also lacked a lot of features that other phones had (3G, GPS, enterprise e-mail).
 
S3 bootloader been opened for some time. Even Verizon's. Jellybean is available for it as a Cyanogenmod. And in October, there will be official Samsung JB upgrade.

....that will probably be botched by Samsung. Look at the terrible job they did with the ICS upgrade for the S2. It wrecked my S2 (voltage overload messages, battery drains incredibly fast, computer won't recognize the phone half the time). Not alone there, either, as the problem has been reported a lot by other users and yet Samsung has done NOTHING to resolve the problem. I don't hold much hope for the S3 JB upgrade if Samsung's previous upgrade tendency holds true.

Believe me, I love my S2, but the fact that an OFFICIAL upgrade completely wrecked my phone has made me question getting another Samsung phone in the future. Prior to the upgrade, my phone performed like a champ. After? It's a crippled device.

Oddly enough, I've never had that issue with upgrades on any of my iPhones. Samsung could take a lesson from Apple.
 
Actually,I think the writer for this article (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2409634,00.asp) said it best:

Finally, a word for the Android fans out there, because I'm an Android user myself. There's going to be a lot of online carping that Apple's new features aren't state of the art. The Samsung Galaxy S III has a higher-resolution screen, for instance, and HTC's One line did Apple's panorama trick a while ago.

What spec-sheet critics don't get is that it's about the ecosystem, and most importantly about the App Store. Apple's great-looking, curated app selection is still the first stop especially for many high-end game developers, and Apple's combination of music, video, books, and apps is well-established and easy to use.

The iPhone 5 doesn't need to be the highest spec phone in the world. It needs to be a well-built, competitive phone that does everything you expect from an iPhone, better.
It looks like Apple passed that test easily. I look forward to being able to test one for a full review soon.


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The same can be said about Apple next year with the 5S....except instead of 6 months, it's a year. Which allows other companies to release 2 new phones of potential greatness whereas Apple only gets 1.

And for those of us who only upgrade when our contracts are out, not much of an issue either way. Whatever phone I get, I'm going to be stuck with for two years. At least apple easily supports mine and I get any new OS update soon as it comes out so I can feel like I get a newish phone when they do that. Vs. being stuck with what I bought unless I get lucky enough that I can get the new update which may or may not happen.

And I don't care if other companies produce two new phones of potential greatness to Apple's one, I'm only buying one phone per two years so how does that help me?! Um.. yay... or something...
 
Scrolled to the end of this thread to find that tigress666 had already posted exactly what I was thinking. I only upgrade my phone every 2 years. I've been in the iOS ecosystem for awhile. I'm due for an upgrade and I would consider other options, but all I see is that Android has achieved "parity" with the iPhone recently and has a few other features that aren't big for me. So there is no reason to leave the ecosystem that I'm invested in. I'll look around again in 2 years and see where things are at then.
 
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