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Tankmaze

macrumors 68000
Mar 7, 2012
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surely there are lots of smart people working in apple, why can't they come up with their own system.
 

Patriot24

macrumors 68030
Dec 29, 2010
2,813
805
California
Let them push, its going back to the old model and bad for consumers!!! You have to subscribe to get one song.

Everything is going to subscription from Games, to Music, to Software, etc and its bad for consumers!!!

People need to stop buying into these subscription based models or they will just keep coming!

Subscription services aren't bad for the consumer if they provide the right amount of value in contrast with the alternatives.

With Beats or Spotify, you pay $9.99 per month, roughly the cost of one album purchase, for access to tens of millions of songs. There are no restrictions on play counts, skipping, etc. If you enjoy music and were planning on purchasing 10-12 albums per year, this is an amazing deal.
 

DonutHands

macrumors 6502
Dec 20, 2011
350
310
Los Angeles
This is either completely made up, tim cook loosing his mind, purchase amount incorrect, or beats has something magical we dont know about yet.

I can see all the positives that Apple may gain from purchasing Beats, and they make sense. But how many times over could apple develop an audio brand and streaming music service in house for THREE BILLION DOLLARS?
 

Cyborg21

macrumors 6502
Sep 2, 2013
332
0
Am I the only one who thinks Apple is planning doing a big thing? I mean look at the their purchases, Beats Marketing and Beats Music Services will help Apple a lot. Also they hired Nokia Engineers that made PureView cameras. But that camera would add thickness, but Apple bought another company to make their displays thinner, hmm...
 

ihcac

macrumors newbie
Jun 7, 2011
16
1
This is either completely made up, tim cook loosing his mind, purchase amount incorrect, or beats has something magical we dont know about yet.

I can see all the positives that Apple may gain from purchasing Beats, and they make sense. But how many times over could apple develop an audio brand and streaming music service in house for THREE BILLION DOLLARS?

Are you really sure they could? Apple's record with services is spotty at best in recent years. Also, remember you take a (lower priced) competitor out of the marketplace too here denying another company like Samsung the opportunity to bolt this on quickly. Hardware business is profitable too at Beats and complements what Apple is doing.
 

TWSS37

macrumors 65816
Feb 4, 2011
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232
# haha


I was expecting something like Pandora or Rdio or something or maybe even something in the TV sector. But if the licensing deal rumour is true, this makes a little more sense.

But I don't know why you want to connect a famous name like Dre to your brand other than project red. Doesn't sound smart.

A lot of these high end headphones companies did it for the initial exposure, and then kind of backed off with the branding after they got market penetration. Soul by Ludacris comes to mind and I want to say there were a few more as well.
 

3N16MA

macrumors 65816
Jul 23, 2009
1,011
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Space
If the labels are urging Apple to get into the subscription business then why do they need to purchase Beats? That would indicate they have an open door to negotiate deals. Seems to fly in the face of those who are saying Apple can't negotiate with record labels because they are getting squeezed. Seems like the labels want it more than Apple.

Sure they could buy Beats music and keep it separate from iTunes but wouldn't Apple want to leverage it's brand power/consumer base to promote the service, tie it in with their products?
 

Razeus

macrumors 603
Jul 11, 2008
5,348
2,030
Apple is going to ruin this service.

Judging by iCloud and iTunes Match, Apple really doesn't get the cloud or cloud services.

People STILL have to download iTunes to their desktops just to listen to and buy music for pete sakes. Now wonder Google is killing them in cloud services. All of their software is accessible on any browser, any device.

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Why would anyone prefer a subscription service over a free radio streaming service and purchased music?

If you actually used Beats, you would know. iTunes Radio (along with Pandora) just repeats the same songs over and over and over. Beats is operating on another level.
 

cube

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May 10, 2004
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Why would anyone prefer a subscription service over a free radio streaming service and purchased music?

Because paying Deezer $7 a month at 50% off costs less than 40 back catalog CDs a month from Amazon that you would listen only once.
 

Chupa Chupa

macrumors G5
Jul 16, 2002
14,835
7,396
surely there are lots of smart people working in apple, why can't they come up with their own system.

Clearly they tried with iTunes Radio and after assessing the time & $ to get it on the right growth projection path quickly thought it would be more efficient to buy what was needed rather than build it organically. It wouldn't be the first time Apple has bought a company to enhance its music sector. Heck iTunes itself wasn't even born inside Apple's lab.
 

Zerilos

macrumors 6502a
Dec 18, 2012
903
24
If the labels are urging Apple to get into the subscription business then why do they need to purchase Beats? That would indicate they have an open door to negotiate deals. Seems to fly in the face of those who are saying Apple can't negotiate with record labels because they are getting squeezed. Seems like the labels want it more than Apple.

Sure they could buy Beats music and keep it separate from iTunes but wouldn't Apple want to leverage it's brand power/consumer base to promote the service, tie it in with their products?

Beats would give Apple an instant presence on Android and WP. There are a lot of Android users who would never download iTunes for Android, but already have Beats on their phone. Also, the headphone line is very profitable and would pay for this deal in a decade by themselves.
 

Daalseth

macrumors 6502a
Jun 16, 2012
599
306
Let them push, its going back to the old model and bad for consumers!!! You have to subscribe to get one song.

Everything is going to subscription from Games, to Music, to Software, etc and its bad for consumers!!!

People need to stop buying into these subscription based models or they will just keep coming!

I agree completely. It's just a bend over and smile model of customer service. Very VERY bad for us but very VERY good for the bottom line of the corporations. They get to charge eternally for the same software, though every once in a while they will throw a 'free' upgrade that adds nothing of use, but makes the naive think they're getting something for their monthly payment. It's just one step above a protection racket (sure would be a shame if your software stopped working and you couldn't access all of your documents/music/etc.) Stop and ponder this as well, with Net Neutrality going away don't be surprised if you suddenly have to pay extra to your ISP to use all these "services" you already paid for. They'll just say they are high bandwidth.

I don't rent software, I don't rent music and I don't rent games, and you know what I still have my software, music, and games when I don't have an internet connection.

It just works.
 

norisq

macrumors newbie
Mar 5, 2013
16
0
Let them push, its going back to the old model and bad for consumers!!! You have to subscribe to get one song.

Everything is going to subscription from Games, to Music, to Software, etc and its bad for consumers!!!

People need to stop buying into these subscription based models or they will just keep coming!

What about sharing your knowledge. What is so bad about subscriptions?
 

tknelson

macrumors member
Mar 16, 2006
70
33
All Apple has needed to do to sell me a bunch of music over these past years is offer lossless versions of everything. I've never bought a track on iTunes and never will until I can get full quality audio.

Streaming… meh. Not for me.
 

nikaru

macrumors 65816
Apr 23, 2009
1,123
1,396
The author of the article should remind himself that Apple is 600 bilion company, and if Apple wants to design music streaming service, god they can do it in a week. You can have both business models, streaming for who wants to stream, and download for who wants to download. The problem with the itunes radio is that it didnt had a separate app, so many people are unaware of its existance.
 

Thunderhawks

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Feb 17, 2009
4,057
2,118
Let them push, its going back to the old model and bad for consumers!!! You have to subscribe to get one song.

Everything is going to subscription from Games, to Music, to Software, etc and its bad for consumers!!!

People need to stop buying into these subscription based models or they will just keep coming!

Too late and two kinds of consumers: (I hate subscriptions)

1) Like to own their music (Why? if you can listen to almost anything streaming,
short of a few select songs)
2) Just like to listen to whatever they feel like at the moment without having to carry much more than a phone.
 

Merode

macrumors 6502a
Nov 5, 2013
623
617
Warsaw, Poland
Subscription services aren't bad for the consumer if they provide the right amount of value in contrast with the alternatives.

With Beats or Spotify, you pay $9.99 per month, roughly the cost of one album purchase, for access to tens of millions of songs. There are no restrictions on play counts, skipping, etc. If you enjoy music and were planning on purchasing 10-12 albums per year, this is an amazing deal.

Subscription services have one disadvantage - if for any reason you decide to drop out after a year or two you're left with no albums at all.

I've tried Spotify and Deezer but for me "owning" tracks is too important. Besides, I think (and I might be wrong) artists don't get a lot of money from subscription services. Since I usually buy music/books to show appreciation I don't like it.
 

unobtainium

macrumors 68030
Mar 27, 2011
2,610
3,873
surely there are lots of smart people working in apple, why can't they come up with their own system.

It's not the system, it's the contracts. Spotify pays too much for each song. Beats probably negotiated better deals.

Also, there's the matter of time. If Apple buys Beats outright they can launch this thing soon.
 
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