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EugW

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Jun 18, 2017
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The savings with XR has to do with the LCD screen, aluminum enclosure and the single camera lens. XS models cost more because of the OLED, stainless steel enclosure and dual camera lens.
AND the removal of 3D Touch. You can’t just cherry pick. All contribute.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Jan 17, 2013
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Uh, what? I don't have that problem at all.

iPad Air 2 with iOS 12 here.

Remember, long press will not work if you have 3D Touch turned on, so if you're trying to test with 3D Touch turned on, you're not testing long press.
I’m currently updating my iPad to iOS 11 now but my comment is as it was and the method for replicating cursor move. The iPad doesn’t have 3DTouch to turn off, but works ok on the iPhone.
 

EugW

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Jun 18, 2017
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I’m currently updating my iPad to iOS 11 now but my comment is as it was and the method for replicating cursor move. The iPad doesn’t have 3DTouch to turn off, but works ok on the iPhone.
Oh. Not supported on iOS 11. Full long press support needs iOS 12.
 

Surf Monkey

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Oct 3, 2010
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It kinda is when the developers are the ones responsible for making it happen.

It's no good because people don't like it is different from it's no good because developers aren't implementing it well, or at all.

“It’s no good because people don’t like it.”

Please provide some supporting evidence.
 

m0sher

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Mar 4, 2018
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I’m not sure what the difference would be between just holding it down for a while compared to 3D Touch but I use 3D Touch in Apple Music all the time, so in the end as long as the result is the same I guess it doesn’t matter as long as the functionality still remains the same.
 

Ralfi

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Dec 22, 2016
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I must be some tech genius since I've cracked the code & worked out how 3D Touch works, seeing as it's so complex & all, according to those who want it gone & presume most don't use it...

Well, you’re welcome to state your opinions as objective facts, but that doesn’t actually make them more than your opinions.
They are more because bigger font & bold = legit.
 

northernbaldy

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Jan 13, 2010
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I’ve been thinking or replacing my x with an xR, the only problem is 3D Touch
I’ve turned off 3D Touch to see how I will cope :lol and it’s horrible! I hadn’t realised just how useful 3Dtouch is
 
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Jul 12, 2016
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I’ve been thinking or replacing my x with an xR, the only problem is 3D Touch
I’ve turned off 3D Touch to see how I will cope :lol and it’s horrible! I hadn’t realised just how useful 3Dtouch is

I’m actually amazed how many iPhone Users have no idea what 3D Touch is and they don’t even know how to use it on their phone. But I blame Apple, because it’s failed marketing on their behalf. Or at least have some type of demo that explains 3D Touch in some form of operation. But I would never purchase a phone without 3D Touch, assumingly Apple continues to manufacture it.
 

EugW

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Jun 18, 2017
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I must be some tech genius since I've cracked the code & worked out how 3D Touch works, seeing as it's so complex & all, according to those who want it gone & presume most don't use it...
Maybe then you should educate the poor developers that apparently aren’t as smart as you.
 

Deguello

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Jun 29, 2008
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“It’s no good because people don’t like it.”

Please provide some supporting evidence.
It's an example to distinguish popularity in general from popularity among those who'd implement something, not an assertion that either proposition is true.
 

doboy

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Jul 6, 2007
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It would appear likely they've already passed on the savings with the Xr. The Xr and Max show the same amount of info on-screen, but the Max costs 56% more for the mid-storage-tier model.
If you want to continue believing that I have a bridge I want to sell you. It’s a great deal.
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I’m not sure what the difference would be between just holding it down for a while compared to 3D Touch but I use 3D Touch in Apple Music all the time, so in the end as long as the result is the same I guess it doesn’t matter as long as the functionality still remains the same.
It won’t be the same everywhere hence the argument.
 

Cashmonee

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May 27, 2006
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I have tried using 3D Touch and find it more of pain than it is worth. I don't like it on the phone, the watch, nor the trackpad. If there were relevant features that came from it, then I may try to take the time to learn the muscle memory required, but I have not really seen anything useful. I mean in Things is it really any easier to 3D Touch and press +To Do than it is to launch the app and hit the giant +? Maybe I need to take a fresh look at it, but most of the options for 3D Touch don't really make things faster or easier. The other issue is that I do not want to rely on something that is not on every platform. For example if I 3D Touch on the phone to start an email, I would want to replicate that on the iPad and cannot. Having two different ways of doing the same thing on essentially the same OS but different devices is not good design.

It was a gimmick that developers have collectively ignored. Unfortunately, that is a lot of the features Apple seems to be adding these days. TouchBar, 3D Touch, "thin", and even the ECG are just things they can market to make people think they have to have it when in reality it is a feature that few will use and will get little to no support from developers because it does not really add anything to the experience.

**Before someone goes off on the ECG being a lifesaving feature. All I am saying is that an exceedingly small number of people will actually take advantage of it, and for the vast majority it may as well not be there. I know for some it will be great, but that is a tiny minority, yet everyone is having to pay for it, and Apple are trying to scare you into thinking you need it, or more accurately, your parents need it, so they can sell the watch.
 

doboy

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I have tried using 3D Touch and find it more of pain than it is worth. I don't like it on the phone, the watch, nor the trackpad. If there were relevant features that came from it, then I may try to take the time to learn the muscle memory required, but I have not really seen anything useful. I mean in Things is it really any easier to 3D Touch and press +To Do than it is to launch the app and hit the giant +? Maybe I need to take a fresh look at it, but most of the options for 3D Touch don't really make things faster or easier. The other issue is that I do not want to rely on something that is not on every platform. For example if I 3D Touch on the phone to start an email, I would want to replicate that on the iPad and cannot. Having two different ways of doing the same thing on essentially the same OS but different devices is not good design.
Try 3D Touch on phone or messages app
 

JWATT

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There's no "video" to show. On devices without 3D Touch, like iPads, rather than "pressing harder" on the notification, you just keep your finger on the notification for a second or so and it pops up the same as if you 3D pressed it. It does not work for ALL places where 3D Touch would work, but does work from the notifications/lock screen items.
Then what's the difference?
 

m0sher

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Mar 4, 2018
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Ok so I did some homework.

Source: https://www.quora.com/How-is-Apples-3D-touch-different-than-long-press-in-Android

“Peek would be a better feature to illustrate the difference between a long press and 3d touch. Because you can open, perform quick action, dismiss all with a single tap”

So what do we lose?

2 features that can only be done by 3D touch.....

“Quick change app – Force swipe from the left edge of the screen to change app. Useful when you deeplinked into another app.

Cursor navigation — Force touch on the keyboard to activate cursor navigation trackpad for text input. You can slide your finger to precisely position your cursor. A non force version of the gesture is already used to input accent character.”

So there are the advantages we lose.
 
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EugW

macrumors G5
Jun 18, 2017
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2 features that can only be done by 3D touch.....

“Quick change app – Force swipe from the left edge of the screen to change app. Useful when you deeplinked into another app.
If you look at the top left corner, the back link to the previous app is already there. Just tap on that.

Cursor navigation — Force touch on the keyboard to activate cursor navigation trackpad for text input. You can slide your finger to precisely position your cursor. A non force version of the gesture is already used to input accent character.”
This is supported by long press without 3D Touch. Just long press the space bar for cursor navigation. I already mentioned this earlier in the thread, and even provided a demo video.

So there are the advantages we lose.
As you can see above, neither requires 3D Touch.
 
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Cashmonee

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“Quick change app – Force swipe from the left edge of the screen to change app. Useful when you deeplinked into another app.

How is this different or better than just swiping to the right on the bottom of a non-Touch ID phone?
 

kasakka

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Oct 25, 2008
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3D Touch to me is just a bad feature by design. It's one of those things that you never know if it will do anything or what you will get when pressing something other than say links. I had no idea that the quick change app feature even existed. It has incredibly low discoverability.
 

ooloo

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Aug 9, 2018
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Long press on iPhone 7 Plus with Control Center and keyboard cursor trackpad mode. (3D Touch turned off.)


how do you select text?

p.s. i cant try on an ipnone atm cause im still on android, im gonna buy the XR (not XS just b/c PWM from OLEDs hurts my eyes)
 
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