you cant write ipad apps on an ipad. You need a PC for that. You cant change the operating system without a PC. Hell you cant even move files around without a PC.
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you cant write ipad apps on an ipad. You need a PC for that. You cant change the operating system without a PC. Hell you cant even move files around without a PC.
What's your point ? Folks, this is simple. iPad is a computer. It's also quite personal. But it's not an IBM Compatible PC, nor is it a Laptop/desktop or a Wintel/Mactel box.
Tablet computers are tablet computers an entirely different segment of the computer space. It just happens to also be geared towards consumer like the current "PC" market. Should we also include sales of Ford's sync into PC vendors ? Server sales ? Networking equipment sales ?
Anyway, just 1 analyst that doesn't matter trying to play the numbers to put Apple on top. Big whoop.
In that post I was referring to "computer" not "Personal Computer". In subsequent posts I quoted the definition of each term from Merriam-Webster, the (like it or not) current recognized authority for defining words in the English language....much more so than Wikipedia, which I purposely did not quote.
Seems people in this thread want to create their own definition of "computer" and "personal computer".....
There's an app called Codify that does just that, albeit with some restrictions (the apps can't be shared in a simple, straightforward manner)
Starting from iOS5, OS Updates don't need a PC anymore.
I think that goes both ways.
The point is not whether an Ipad or an Iphone is or is not a PC according to some sets of criteria.
The point is whether it makes sense when comparing "PC manufacturers" to include a personal mobility/consumption device with the same weighting as a laptop/tower/workstation.
Adding them together is misleading, and I bet that the analysts who do lump tablets and phones with workstations will have to have the asterisk and the footnote explaining why their numbers are so inflated.
Back in the day, my professor gave me a B in Statistics. Jerk, I had a 92.
Hindsight: Maybe I shouldn't have refered to the class as a "creative writing" class. While in class. While I was re-explaining to other students wtf he was saying so they could pass. But I digress...
Point: Marketing is a joke. Marketing analysts are a ROTFLMAO joke. Why you guys are arguing over it is beyond my logical brain's ability to comprehend. For a twist in a boring thread, maybe thenerdal could explain why it is so important to him to use certain keywords for the iPad, but not others?
Hindsight: Maybe I shouldn't have refered to the class as a "creative writing" class. While in class. While I was re-explaining to other students wtf he was saying so they could pass. But I digress...
Point: Marketing is a joke. Marketing analysts are a ROTFLMAO joke. Why you guys are arguing over it is beyond my logical brain's ability to comprehend. For a twist in a boring thread, maybe thenerdal could explain why it is so important to him to use certain keywords for the iPad, but not others?
Yep. (Outside of your categorization of the iPad as a consumption device.)
No more misleading the lumping together servers, desktops, laptops, pre-iPad tablets, and netbooks.
As I said in the post that you quoted, they do footnote it for now. It is a new class of device with initial signs of disrupting the PC market. It will take a while to lock down trends in how much impact they will actually make. Until then, it doesn't make sense to simply ignore iPads in an analysis of the market.
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Ironically, a tablet was considered a PC for the last decade until it started benefitting Apple's sales numbers.
I'd love to see the discussion...
...on a thread next year with the main title:
Just imagine the arguments!
...on a thread next year with the main title:
"Kindle Fire" Sales Drive Amazon to #1 PC Vendor
Just imagine the arguments!
...on a thread next year with the main title:
"Kindle Fire" Sales Drive Amazon to #1 PC Vendor
Just imagine the arguments!
Well said.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see it happen. The Kindle is a very smart device aimed at a very wide ranging market. Amazons subscriber base is far larger than many people on this forum realize.
With lots of staying power and a stellar reputation, Amazon is well positioned. As the initial buzz around tablets subsides, the Kindle will continue to move in large numbers. At a more affordable price in this economy, the Kindle fits where the iPad may not.
Apples staunch refusal to build what would be an extremely popular 7" size will hurt them. Perhaps so bad, they cave in and act like it was part of the original plan as they begin releasing them. Apple is nothing if not greedy.
You can't develop native Objective C iOS App store apps on a Windows PC or Linux server either. But you can write Windows and Linux apps on an iPad.
You "can", but would you "want to" ?
I find it difficult to believe that a developer would choose to develop Windows/Linux code on an Ipad, vs. using a full IDE like Visual Studio or Eclipse on a desktop with a full keyboard and one or more large screens. Quick-and-dirty fixups, maybe.
Similarly, a photo editing app on a mobility device might be useful for getting rid of red-eye before uploading the latest picture of the baby to Grandma - but for any more elaborate work Photoshop and Lightroom on a big screen are much more useful.
Ditto for movie editing.
In other words, the exceptions to the claim that you can't create content appear to prove the claim - the tools on the Ipad are so limited compared to those on the PC.
I find it difficult to believe that a developer would choose to develop Windows/Linux code on an Ipad, vs. using a full IDE like Visual Studio or Eclipse on a desktop with a full keyboard and one or more large screens. Quick-and-dirty fixups, maybe.
Similarly, a photo editing app on a mobility device might be useful for getting rid of red-eye before uploading the latest picture of the baby to Grandma - but for any more elaborate work Photoshop and Lightroom on a big screen are much more useful.
Ditto for movie editing.
In other words, the exceptions to the claim that you can't create content appear to prove the claim - the tools on the Ipad are so limited compared to those on the PC.
The Kindle? Meaning the whole family or just the Fire? I would be surprised to see that happen.
Prediction: In the next year, the Fire will take sales away mainly from e-readers and other, lesser 7" pads. Not much from iPad sales, not enough to make anyone at Apple have more than a day of worry.
Exactly - but I am sure some people will insist that it doesn't matter to what degree you can be productive as that' subjective. But I agree with you.
Because even though LeapFrog devices are computers - I wouldn't put them in this category either.
HP admits Apple to be top PC vendor in 2011
HP's CEO, Meg Whitman, admits that Apple could top them as the top "PC maker" in 2011, and this by including iPads.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/30/meg-speaks-the-truth/
So both HP and Microsoft admit that the iPad is a PC or PC competitor.
Saying an iPad isn't a personal computer because it can't run Visual Studio is like saying a whale isn't a mammal because it's not small, warm and furry. Those people are clueless or uneducated about science and technology.
HP's CEO, Meg Whitman, admits that Apple could top them as the top "PC maker" in 2011, and this by including iPads.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/30/meg-speaks-the-truth/
So both HP and Microsoft admit that the iPad is a PC or PC competitor.
Saying an iPad isn't a personal computer because it can't run Visual Studio is like saying a whale isn't a mammal because it's not small, warm and furry. Those people are clueless or uneducated about science and technology.
She was merely pointing out the fact that if you add Tablets, a market Apple completely dominates, into the personal computer category, Apple's Mac business + iPad business may surpass HP's $40bn PC division (PSG) some time in 2012