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Last night I wanted to download Rihanna's new album via a torrent site on my iPad 2, I couldn't as its not Jailbroken.

Out the box an iPad is not more a PC than a PSP or Nintendo DS.

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In due course those arguments will be irrelevant.

"In Due Course" is a fortune cooking comment, LTD. How long is "in due course" ?

1 year. 2 years? 20 years? It's "easy" to make predictions without any real value.

IE - It's only a matter of time before displays are nothing like what they are today.

Of course not! Technology rolls along.

In due course - maybe Google buys Apple. Maybe Apple buys Google. Maybe some other company that doesn't exist yet rises up and kills both off.

In due course.. of course..
 
It's a moped. It's a different class. Most Vespa's can't even legally ride on the highway here.

To class them in with motorcycles is wrong, even our DMV doesn't for licenses and plates.


You're confusing a class (moped) with a brand (Vespa), at least in Europe, any two wheel vehicle of more than 50cc is classified as motorcycle and must have car plates.

Only 49cc are classified as mopeds and only need a urban plate.
 
Really don't care about this number other than it means Apple will have money to continue to make products I enjoy. Oh, and add to their cash reserve.

In the long run, Apple will likely be in the same place HP now finds themselves. That isn't a bash against Apple, just the way business cycles tend to run, what history has shown us and just playing the odds. It is also why I don't have a problem with their cash in holding. Need that money to get through the lean times as well as make the best of the good times.

Nice to see Apple here but just want them to keep making great products.
 
They are just a much a type of computer as a desktop, a laptop, a netbook are all types of computers. If a laptop can be bunched in with desktop, then why not tablets.

Smartphones I can understand not being lumped in with computers since their primary function is supposed to be a "phone". Something like the iPod Touch is tricky though.

If I only use my macbook for skype does it stop being a computer?
 
We keep coming back to this issue. Who would have thought, only a few years ago, that we would be considering these things? It was barely (if at all) in our collective (consumer?) consciousness: A tablet as the next-gen platform for computing. In this era a device succeeds not just on quantity of features, but rather on what has been taken away, and the drive to perfect (almost obsessively) what remains. We're looking at the the Art of The Interface - not megahertz, clock speeds and soulless numbers - as the basis for success in this next phase of computing. Software. Which is a key element (if not the primary element) in creating a competitive User Experience. The hardware form factor has been reduced to absolute minimalism with as much power (and not a shred more) as that form factor will allow.

Canalys and DisplaySearch are already lumping the iPad in with conventional PC numbers. Who's next? It's only a matter of time before all tablets and "computers" (desktops, notebooks, dying/dead netbooks, the new wave of ultrabooks) are, in terms of shipments, unit sales and market share, indistinguishable on paper.

There's an interesting aspect to all this that's worth noting: It would appear that in terms of next-gen computing, the iPad is currently king. However, as we have seen with the iPod and its particular impact on the market, there really is no demand for tablets other than the iPad. Granted, this might change, but the competition's efforts suggest they're unable or uninterested in bringing their A-Game (if they even have one) to the table.

Does the next generation of general consumer computing belong almost solely to the iPad (with whatever the competition can churn out following far behind)? If so, that is an absolutely huge shift in terms of the industry at large, and especially if we consider what the consequences would be for the competition.

just watch star trek or other scifi, most of them use tablets, and replicators and transporters, but anyone who thought of ideal tech without technology's current limits probably thought of something similar to the ipad, it was just a matter of making it.

how obvious is a 3d printer that could print food? that would be sweet, but it's a little tough to make. but it's coming :D
 
It's a computer if it computes, accesses data, and is programmable enough to be readily adapted to a very diverse set of applications. It's a personal computer if it's a computer and it's personal.

iPads fit.

And iPhones, iPod Touchs, any smartphone, etc.

Do we have to count them on the personal computer statistics?
 
It's a computer if it computes, accesses data, and is programmable enough to be readily adapted to a very diverse set of applications. It's a personal computer if it's a computer and it's personal.

iPads fit.

I'm not arguing for or against. Maybe I am. But your analysis is flawed. And it doesn't matter what marketing or analysts say - at the end of the day - it's hat consumers call their devices.

Consumers - at least right now - don't refer to their tablets as PCs. They refer them as tablets. They don't say "I'm on my computer right now" - they say "I'm on my iPad" (as opposed to I'm on my Lenovo Thinkpad).

Eventually we might live in a world where devices are just devices without regard to what it's called. But that's not today.
 
Laptops and desktops follow the same paradigm of computing and run the same software. Tablets mostly use a new input paradigm completely and require software to be rewritten (yes, even those Windows tablets that required Windows XP Tablet edition and a couple of tweaks to input for applications).

As such, I would not class tablets with laptops and desktops. They are a separate class. I would lump them in with Smartphones though.

And yes, Smartphones are computers too.

My point is desktop and laptops are a different class from each other the same way tablets are. So you are classification on what OS it runs?? Computers (both desktop and laptop) have have all kinds of different input paradigms over the years - so you change classification every time that changes too? In fact most desktop computers have NO built in input device - you have to add one! ;)

The tablet is just another evolution of the "computer", just as laptops were.
 
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Hint:

iPad =/= PC

/thread


and pc=/=computer of the future, the future computer will be AI in the cloud that does your bidding by voice or even just thought. see star trek. "computer, cross reference the data and give me a solution"
 
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Hint:

iPad =/= PC

/thread

(any device incapable of typing a proper ≠ sign) ≠ a computer. ;)
 
Even an iPhone can be a PC too when you use it properly. It's all can be overlapping.

How if notebook starts too use Micro SIM which allowed for data, text and phone calls? What would you call it? Phonebook, Notephone, Phonetop? And because of it, it can not be classed as a computer anymore?

I think it's fair enough for Apple to includes iPad as a computer too, different class as conventional computer of course, it's not as powerful. But even puny netbooks bundled with Windows 7 Starter edition (which not much more "useful" than iOS) can be called a computer, so why wouldn't iPad?
 
"In Due Course" is a fortune cooking comment, LTD. How long is "in due course" ?

1 year. 2 years? 20 years? It's "easy" to make predictions without any real value.

IE - It's only a matter of time before displays are nothing like what they are today.

Of course not! Technology rolls along.

In due course - maybe Google buys Apple. Maybe Apple buys Google. Maybe some other company that doesn't exist yet rises up and kills both off.

In due course.. of course..

due course is when all the closed minded people die out and a new generation replaces them
 
Ah, because you say so, no?

Well, i say they need at least a 10" screen => iPad out of the equation.

Just explaining the logic behind the analyses we're seeing. Smartphones don't have a tablet form-factor. A tablet form-factor is important for alit of reasons, mostly from a usability perspective. Size matters.

You don't necessarily have to agree with it.

If you really want to be sure, ask Canalys.
 
No. They need a bigger screen.

just wait for the iGlasses, which can put a huge screen right infront of your face from your iphone or iWatch, overlayed as augmented reality or full theatre experience, what then?

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A new generation containing an equal amount of closed-minded people?

the ones who have an ipad as a child will probably think different. :cool: I hope at least, for the sake of human evolution.
 
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Not as long as Apple considers tablets post PC devices.
 
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