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I only have (1) share. My wife got it for me for Christmas this year. It was the best gift I got, even if it doesn't make money, I still think it is cool that I own a part-(small) of my favorite company.
on the topic of older macs, at our high school, we use os9,1 since it is the highest the performas will go. as for our (gen1) imacs, the tech resource folks have told me that until apple stops updating osX every few months, they wont plop down any $$ to upgrade.
the trc has instead taken to bulk purchasing gateways
the trc has instead taken to bulk purchasing gateways
OS9 cannot compare to the stability of OSX. I have used both (OS9 not in Classic, but booted into), and there is no contest. OS9 is hardly rock solid. It's not bad, but I'd rather be running Windows XP, 2000, or 98SE over OS9 if I want stability. It's unpredictable as to when it will crash and it is not very good at multi-tasking. On top of that, I also find its window management to be lackluster and it's icons to be quite ugly. I love my Mac, but I'm one of those switchers who would not have come over if it wasn't for OSX - which is the most brilliant OS ever made when you look at its style, ease of use, and anti-aliased icons.
Originally posted by x86isslow
on the topic of older macs, at our high school, we use os9,1 since it is the highest the performas will go. as for our (gen1) imacs, the tech resource folks have told me that until apple stops updating osX every few months, they wont plop down any $$ to upgrade.
the trc has instead taken to bulk purchasing gateways
Hm. Gotta wonder about this kind of policy. I can easily see a policy of updating with every other 10.x update. And the 10.x.x updates are no more frequent than the windows updates I get.....
Methinks there's an agenda....
OS9 vs. OSX
I'm hearing a lot of surprise about the low percentage of Mac users on OSX (40%).
Doesn't surprise me. As someone else mentioned, I'm actually surprised it's that high.
For the AVERAGE user (i.e., not the design/print/video/audio folks), there hasn't been a compelling reason to upgrade. Stability? Sure, OSX is more stable, but the average user isn't going to toss their system just because they have to re-boot now and then. (People who work on their Macs suffer from the instability more than the average user.) Speed? As we all know, the average user (Web, MS Office, Quicken) gets by just fine with a 500mhz processor.
I'm a designer myself (mostly print, some web, some 3D anim). I stayed with OS9 on my trusty 9600 until August 2003, and I have zero regrets about doing so. Actually, I'd wish I waited longer. The transition was painful. Painful, with a capital "P". As well as expensive, with a capital "$". I put about $3,500 into hardware, and about $7,500 into software. And I'm still waiting for some way to keep the font menu organized (this is a big deal!).
Yes, it's nice that my new system hardly ever crashes. The UI is better in some aspects (worse in others, IMHO). And in general, it's much, much faster than the 466 G3 I had in my 9600. But really, if I knew then what I know now, and I were trying to make a business case for the upgrade, there's no way I could do it while keeping a straight face.
I'm no Luddite -- I love having the latest and greatest -- but I try to be honest about the real reasons for upgrading. Yes, I would have had to upgrade at some point, but it certainly didn't have to happen now.
So if I, as a designer who depends on my system to feed my family, can make a case for not upgrading, it comes as no surprise that home users can do the same.
I'm hearing a lot of surprise about the low percentage of Mac users on OSX (40%).
Doesn't surprise me. As someone else mentioned, I'm actually surprised it's that high.
For the AVERAGE user (i.e., not the design/print/video/audio folks), there hasn't been a compelling reason to upgrade. Stability? Sure, OSX is more stable, but the average user isn't going to toss their system just because they have to re-boot now and then. (People who work on their Macs suffer from the instability more than the average user.) Speed? As we all know, the average user (Web, MS Office, Quicken) gets by just fine with a 500mhz processor.
I'm a designer myself (mostly print, some web, some 3D anim). I stayed with OS9 on my trusty 9600 until August 2003, and I have zero regrets about doing so. Actually, I'd wish I waited longer. The transition was painful. Painful, with a capital "P". As well as expensive, with a capital "$". I put about $3,500 into hardware, and about $7,500 into software. And I'm still waiting for some way to keep the font menu organized (this is a big deal!).
Yes, it's nice that my new system hardly ever crashes. The UI is better in some aspects (worse in others, IMHO). And in general, it's much, much faster than the 466 G3 I had in my 9600. But really, if I knew then what I know now, and I were trying to make a business case for the upgrade, there's no way I could do it while keeping a straight face.
I'm no Luddite -- I love having the latest and greatest -- but I try to be honest about the real reasons for upgrading. Yes, I would have had to upgrade at some point, but it certainly didn't have to happen now.
So if I, as a designer who depends on my system to feed my family, can make a case for not upgrading, it comes as no surprise that home users can do the same.
Well I'm only saying this because I understand the most popular choice for video work is OS9 on a PMac 9600 and apparantly this is because of stability.
From what you said, I summise you have never used a pure OS9 system, if you switched because of OSX, then youv'e only ever had OS9.2 which was the version which was manipulated to work with the classic emulator.
OS 9 ( OS X )
I have been on various Apple machines for a long time now (early 80's). OS 9 can not be described as rock-solid especially when compared to OS X 10.3. OS 9 would work well as long as you had your memory management tweaked, you didn't multi-task, and you built custom preferences for applications. But OS X really puts OS 9 to shame in every catagory I can think of today.
Also 40% is not bad. I read somewhere that XP was only at 20% of the total pc using crowd. People who are hard core computer users and keep up-to-date just don't realize the vast number of users who are locked into windows 3.1 / windows 95 and mac system 7 / os 9.
I think that bodes well for the future in that there are a lot of users yet to purchase new hardware/software/OS's.
I have been on various Apple machines for a long time now (early 80's). OS 9 can not be described as rock-solid especially when compared to OS X 10.3. OS 9 would work well as long as you had your memory management tweaked, you didn't multi-task, and you built custom preferences for applications. But OS X really puts OS 9 to shame in every catagory I can think of today.
Also 40% is not bad. I read somewhere that XP was only at 20% of the total pc using crowd. People who are hard core computer users and keep up-to-date just don't realize the vast number of users who are locked into windows 3.1 / windows 95 and mac system 7 / os 9.
I think that bodes well for the future in that there are a lot of users yet to purchase new hardware/software/OS's.
Don't give up on aapl. Many got burned with the Nasdaq bubble crash. Apple is going to kick some reall ass in the next 3 to 5 years. The economy is picking up and there are millions of users that will have money to upgrade.
In the last year I have bought over 1200 shares. I have owned Apple stock for over 6 years. I have never lost money on it. I see it going up to $60 a share within 3 years.
Apple stock always takes a dive after earnings.
iPods as % of total revenue
Seems pretty amazing to me that 1/8 of Apple's revenue came from the iPods ($256M out of $2B). That's nearly 2/3 as much revenue as what they get from the PowerMac line! I wonder how the margins on the iPod line compares to the margins of the PowerMac line.
Maybe it's just me, but it's incredible that a product that didn't exist 2 years ago is now contributing that much to their bottom line.
Seems pretty amazing to me that 1/8 of Apple's revenue came from the iPods ($256M out of $2B). That's nearly 2/3 as much revenue as what they get from the PowerMac line! I wonder how the margins on the iPod line compares to the margins of the PowerMac line.
Maybe it's just me, but it's incredible that a product that didn't exist 2 years ago is now contributing that much to their bottom line.
Our nonprofit uses Macs, three of them to be exact. Two of those three are iMac 333's, which won't run OS X very well.
The statistic I would like to see is what percentage of OS X compatible computers run OS X full time. I would guess this number is very high.
The 40% using OSX is not surprising. I have a Tibook with OSX but my family has a Mac Classic with OS 6 and a Color Classic with 7 on it. Both still work fine. The classic is fun to play with sometimes but isnt really useful anymore. Hmm, maybe it is aquarium time....
Re: iPods as % of total revenue
Hopefully Apple can keep moving forward and extracting the riches from new markets, I can remember when Apple relied on it's reputation only and really didn't do very well.
Hopefully Apple can keep moving forward and extracting the riches from new markets, I can remember when Apple relied on it's reputation only and really didn't do very well.
i work at a newspaper where we have about 50 machines, all running os9. this includes some g4's and emacs. just too much money to update to quark, etc. one day we'll make the switch, but i bet it won't be any time soon. i beg them to switch all the time.
i have x.3 and love it.
anyway, yes, as stated above several times, this is great news. i'm happy about the news.
i have x.3 and love it.
anyway, yes, as stated above several times, this is great news. i'm happy about the news.
What would be most interesting would be to see the difference in that 40% between home and institutional Mac users. I have a feeling that most of the OS X users are home users and that many institutions have not upgraded.
1:3
I have four macs, all running X 10.3, but as all systems are installed from the same CD (how could I resist?), does this mean it only counts for one registered X computer? And three OS9s?
If so, Apple please add to your numbers.
I have four macs, all running X 10.3, but as all systems are installed from the same CD (how could I resist?), does this mean it only counts for one registered X computer? And three OS9s?
If so, Apple please add to your numbers.
Well I would have sold if I knew that beating the street would bring the stock down. Plus I was a bit surprised with the G5 sales. I thought they would have been higher.
Hedged my options today though but not as high as I would have liked.
Just watched my portfolio drop down by $5000 in the blink of the eye.
Re: Re: after hours figures
I doubt it. Pretty much everybody charges for real-time. On the other hand, pretty much everyone (including Yahoo, which you just looked at) gives free 15-minute (or so) delayed. That's fine if you're not actively trading the stock.
I doubt it. Pretty much everybody charges for real-time. On the other hand, pretty much everyone (including Yahoo, which you just looked at) gives free 15-minute (or so) delayed. That's fine if you're not actively trading the stock.
My work (ad agency) just upgrade all of us to new machines, spent about 6 grand per employee, which gets you...
Adobe Creative Suite Premium
Studio MX 2004
Suitcase X1
Quickeys x2
Flightcheck Pro
UPS Backup System
20" Studio Display
2x2.0 G5 w/ 1.5 GB Ram
It really is a lot when you think about, plus i don't think the G5/CS combo is the most stable thing in the world just yet, my boss has more crashes in 10.3 than in OS 9...but the speed of everything makes up for it.
Who are the 40%?
You could be right. My guess would be opposite, however.
Think about the "institutions" that use Macs. These are mostly "creative industry" companies, right? Given their need for speed and the latest gizmos, it seems to me they'd be first in line to upgrade (except for pure production environments like newspapers and print shops).
Home users with an existing Mac and existing software would have a harder time justifying the expense of both hardware and software upgrades, unless they were gizmo geeks.
Again, this is just my opinion. Would love to hear some actual statistics, but I doubt they exist.
You could be right. My guess would be opposite, however.
Think about the "institutions" that use Macs. These are mostly "creative industry" companies, right? Given their need for speed and the latest gizmos, it seems to me they'd be first in line to upgrade (except for pure production environments like newspapers and print shops).
Home users with an existing Mac and existing software would have a harder time justifying the expense of both hardware and software upgrades, unless they were gizmo geeks.
Again, this is just my opinion. Would love to hear some actual statistics, but I doubt they exist.
Re: 1:3
Yes it means your only counted as one user, but since your quite open about telling everyone I guess you have no idea you should have purchased a family license.
There a probably quite a few more who use a single license on multiple macs, some that know they're wrong some that don't. But hey nowhere as many as in the PC world, there's loads running XP and XP Pro who don't even have a license.
Yes it means your only counted as one user, but since your quite open about telling everyone I guess you have no idea you should have purchased a family license.
There a probably quite a few more who use a single license on multiple macs, some that know they're wrong some that don't. But hey nowhere as many as in the PC world, there's loads running XP and XP Pro who don't even have a license.
Re: OS 9 ( OS X )
Not if you have to add memory to each machine plus increase the size of hard drives and buy new software. OS X runs on iMacs but not well and those 6 GB HD do not have a lot of space. Plus the Apps run slower in classic than in OS 9.2 And printer drivers are still not easy to find or use for some. Panther is really not for the older machines. Jaguar works better because you can then boot up in OS 9 to install the drivers.
So don't expect OS X to filter down but wait for the slow upgrade process to occur. When the entire line runs G5's we should see a lot more trtaction. It will take a long time to overcome the Motorola G4 fiasco.
I expect a new line of some sort to be introduced Jan 24th or Feb 1st ...
Outside of the G5 low numbers the rest of the balance sheet looks great.
Not if you have to add memory to each machine plus increase the size of hard drives and buy new software. OS X runs on iMacs but not well and those 6 GB HD do not have a lot of space. Plus the Apps run slower in classic than in OS 9.2 And printer drivers are still not easy to find or use for some. Panther is really not for the older machines. Jaguar works better because you can then boot up in OS 9 to install the drivers.
So don't expect OS X to filter down but wait for the slow upgrade process to occur. When the entire line runs G5's we should see a lot more trtaction. It will take a long time to overcome the Motorola G4 fiasco.
I expect a new line of some sort to be introduced Jan 24th or Feb 1st ...
Outside of the G5 low numbers the rest of the balance sheet looks great.
Re: OS9 vs. OSX
While a great site, you'll find many posters here think they are the mainstream and all users are as into their computers and keeping up to date as they are.
I think 40% is a very nice number at this stage of the game.
The costs to upgrade to OS X are pretty high for the average user. Likely, they will need more RAM and to purchase new/upgraded software. In their estimation, the payback isn't there. Their current systems and software are fast enough and probably are not unstable.
I upgraded to OS X immediately and booted into OS 9 for almost a year before I cut the legacy cord. Couldn't be happier now but then again, I'm not the average user.
While a great site, you'll find many posters here think they are the mainstream and all users are as into their computers and keeping up to date as they are.
I think 40% is a very nice number at this stage of the game.
The costs to upgrade to OS X are pretty high for the average user. Likely, they will need more RAM and to purchase new/upgraded software. In their estimation, the payback isn't there. Their current systems and software are fast enough and probably are not unstable.
I upgraded to OS X immediately and booted into OS 9 for almost a year before I cut the legacy cord. Couldn't be happier now but then again, I'm not the average user.