Apple posts $63 Million Profit

[elgruga]

We homeschool in Canada, and the local school board outreach program gave our two kids (8 and 5) an iBook 500 and a printer - free!
The admin of the program is a Mac guy. He told me that he usually gives old PC's to most of the homeschoolers because they dont 'get it' with Macs. Shame.

running X and 9 on the ibook, but mostly the kids stay in X.

Macs have been smashed in education in BC, Canada because of STUPID school techs and the Window blinds they wear.

Why does ugly and stupid win so often?

 

[sethypoo]

Originally posted by jcdenton
How right you are!

In this case, there was no move to get into the Jaguar promotional round, on account that the new techs (two, both part-time) and a handful of teachers managed to start a war over the need for the school to develop a new "upgrade path" involving transition from the Mac OS 9 server to a Linux server and from Macs (at that point, 2 labs of OS 9 iMacs and 1 lab of mixed beige PowerPCs and a half-dozen 68Ks) to PCs.

The Mac side won the war over the course of 6 months, at which point the Jaguar promotion was over. You call it "lazy," "fearful," and so on, and those are all true. As for the cash-strapped part, in this part of Canada public school funding is ridiculously short at the moment. On the bright side, some of the upcoming school closures might free up a couple labs worth of free Macs. I suggested pushing hard for those, since it looks like there may not be any funding for new hardware next year.

So there you have it: some poor decisionmaking, some bad timing, and some empty wallets add up to make an uncomfortable computing environment. On the bright side, I think I've managed to lock in plans for OS X upgrades for the old labs over the next two yers. Then on to the next battle: convincing the salaried techs that OS X Server is a better move than Debian woody.

My old school (K-12) district has moved almost entirely to Dell. It's sad, gone are the days of Oregon Trail.

 

[Photorun]

In a word... WOOHOO!!!

40% not using OS X? Hmmm, 25% in my household, I have an old PowerComputer PowerTower Pro 225 I use with a AGFA Scanner (that'd be too expensive to replace). I wonder if he they polled to get that number or by units sold vs. computers out there or... or what?!?

 

[DeepIn2U]

Just like Rodney Dangerfield always says Apple "can't get no respect"!

rdowns, I agree with your estimate of Apple stock going up to roughly $50 dollars.

But I'm pissed about their stock $$price at the moment down $2+ dollars.

Analysts are missing the BIG picture. first off Apple stated that their most popular music player the iPod sold 730,000 units in a QUARTER, up 230+ % from a year ago!!! Add to that Apple could NOT KEEP UP SHIPMENT of the surprising demand for the unit over the holiday season. Futhermore, the recent deal with HP to rebrand and sell the iPod, although target for revenue on those sales is unknown this should enhance those sales. Moreover the introduction of the mini iPod to ship within one month should increase the eyebrows of analyst to rate Apple stock up to a buy!! Yet noooOOOOooo they still go their heads in the pastures that is on WinXP desktops! Yuch!

With the release of a new sotware packages is still another hint that Apple is on the move UPWARD!

A record of 195,000 PowerBook units were shipped (not sure if all of those stayed out and not returned)!

They expect a lower warranty expense this coming quarter, as well as increase in R&D spending that will NOT increase their expenses from last quarter.

Finally, the increase in market perception of all that Apple offers with regards to the Pepsi deal should sweetly increase prospective sales to fruition!! I just hope that these Pepsi ads for this huge deal involve ads that highlight happy ppl using a mac to quickly download music and synch their iPod and head out the door listening to iPods and drinking a Pepsi (hmmmm, Pepsi Blue love that drink!)

Now their newscast announcement of increase Research & Development may be due to the upcoming PowerMac G5 in late summer; now I'm glad that the new G5 wasn't announced this past week because it would kill current sales of the existing line and increase their expenses for the coming quarter on FOFS (First Out First Sale, my little twist on the reverse side of store inventory of First In First Out).Just think how many ppl bought a 1.8 SIngle G5 and returned it for a Dual 1.8 G5?? Now imagine that happening again with a Dual 2.2 or Dual 2.6 Ghz G5 announced to ship in reality for the coming 3 months!??

What bothers me is the downturn of spending in advertising, this should be the year of upwards spending in advertising, especially since all other companies will be spending less. Sure nuff peeps are snowboarding or skying but common, no major concerts, no major clubbing, no major blockbuster movies happen until at LEAST April of every year. THat means more peeps stay home and watch TV to see more ads for more brainwashing!!!

 

[jnasato]

~40% OSX users... I wonder when the day will come, when 40% of Mac users are on G5 systems.

I wonder how many users are on pre-G4 systems now...

 

[gerardrj]

PAtial explination of 40%

Part of the reason at least some of the people still use OS 9 is that Apple dropped support for many of the older technologies in the older systems.

OS X for instance doesn't support internal floppies, LocalTalk, and the newer systems don't even have ADB or serial ports. This means a lot of people running older systems in conjunction with external hardware and systems CAN'T upgrade even if the machines are capable of running OS X until the other vendors update their technology and there's enough budget to upgrate the external devices, and the computer.

In some cases such as with color correction equipment, or printing presses, that external equipment could be quite expensive.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by jnasato
~40% OSX users... I wonder when the day will come, when 40% of Mac users are on G5 systems.

I wonder how many users are on pre-G4 systems now...

I use a G3 B/W 450, and I bought it new ~4 years ago. It still works great and it doesn't cause me to wait-(most of the time) to get my work done.

 

[steveh]

Originally posted by wookitus
No you don't. I've owned Apple stock for years and it ranks up there with some of the most disappointing investments ever. I'm still waiting for the day I will break even.

Buying any stock at a high point (which means buying a whole lot of different stocks a couple years ago) is going to be a lot less rewarding than buying low.

Anyone buying at 48 or 72 is going to be a lot less happy than someone who bought at 13. That's just the way the market works.

 

[steveh]

Re: PAtial explination of 40%

Originally posted by gerardrj
Part of the reason at least some of the people still use OS 9 is that Apple dropped support for many of the older technologies in the older systems.

Which, in practice, is generally not a bad thing, for a number of reasons. USB is pretty much a better ADB than ADB, for example.

OS X for instance doesn't support internal floppies, LocalTalk,

Sort of, regarding LocalTalk. We're still running a LocalTalk printer, with all the Macs here running 10.3.2. (A bridge converts between ethernet and LocalTalk, and shares the printer to everyone.)

and the newer systems don't even have ADB or serial ports.

The last desktop machine with ADB was the B&W G3 (Yosemite) system back in early 1999. Except for the Keyboard II, I do not miss ADB (and for that, a Griffen iMate lets me keep using the keyboard on recent Macs).

We have more choice in peripherals now, with USB, than we ever did with ADB. Wish Kensington would re-issue their Thinking Mouse in USB, though.

 

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by QCassidy352
man! makes me wish I were a stock holder... fantastic numbers!

*cough*
Care to buy my loosing stock?



Anyway Apple Stock goes down after good news?

Profit... and above expectations!

SELL !! SELL!! SELL APPLE !!

Originally posted by fatfish
Of course $ 61 million dollars is good for Apple, let's hope it gets even better, but Apple are doing better than you think, don't forget Stevie boy takes out several hundred million for himself before we get this bottom line.

(Think I read somewhere it was about $ 450 million)

Not true, Steve Jobs gets $1 Dollar a Year (because if you make 0 you aren't working ... there is this tax process)... but he makes the real money on bonuses... so

 

[macshark]

40% OSX

Actually, if it is true, the fact that only 40% of the Mac owners are using Mac OSX is good news for Apple. People using older gen operating systems are either running very old Macs which is not supported by OSX or waited for this long since they had some applications which were not supported under OSX. Either case, this means that 60% of the Mac users out there are primary candidates for either upgrading their Macs to one of the newer systems over the next few years or upgrading their OS to a version of OSX.

 

[macshark]

Does anybody have a breakdown of the numbers of PowerMacs, iBooks and iMacs Apple sold during the past quarter?

 

[macshark]

Steve Jobs' compensation

Steve made most of his money on his Apple stock options - not salary or bonus. Executives can only make money on options if the stock price of the company goes up. Just over the last 9 months, Apple's market value almost doubled, so most investors shouldn't have a reason to complain about Steve's compensation, unlike some executives at other companies who paid themselves fat cash bonuses while their company was losing money and the stock of their company was going down.

 

[SiliconAddict]

Apple posts $63 Million Profit

GREAT! Now take 10 million of that and get me my dang 17" G5 PowerBook!!!

 

[dashiel]

Originally posted by wookitus
No you don't. I've owned Apple stock for years and it ranks up there with some of the most disappointing investments ever. I'm still waiting for the day I will break even.

well if you owned it for enough years, you'd be very, very happy...

i remember as a poor starving college student telling people to buy apple stock in december of 1997 (it reached a low of $13), if i'd had more than 2 brass pennies to rub together i would have spent it all on apple. i had just seen jobs give a speach at seybold, and he broadly hinted at a number of initiatives.

2 years later the stock split when it reached $120+ dollars a share.

as a long time follower of apple, i think we are on the verge of another major uptick in their stock. ipods, ipod minis, itms, are going to be a bigger hit than the original imac. barring anything like a terrorist attack, or recession, i see apple's share prices doubling this year and if they manage to marginalize WMA and the other music stores, look for a doubling again in 2005... how do i know this, because i just quit my job and went back to freelance and once again can't afford to invest

 

[rog]

The question of PM sales is the most critical. This is the first full quarter with the G5. One would hope they shipped 2-3X as many as they did PM G4s a year ago, given that people were literally waiting for years for something significantly faster to upgrade to. My suspicion is sales are up slightly at best because they are still too expensive and the SP machines were a step back compared to fast DP G4s. Maybe when the DP PPC 980 at 3GHZ can be had for $1500 like they should be, will we see dramatic PM sales gains.

 

[winmacguy]

Re: The other 60%

Originally posted by seffis
It would be interesting to do a study of what percentage of the 60% not using OS X are doing so because they're using an older version of Quark...

I'd bet many are still on Quark 4. I know few people who wanted to pay for the upgrade to 5, let alone pay even more (or again) to go up to 6.

I remember thinking that once Quark for OS X came out, for sure people would finally upgrade, but having seen 6, I wouldn't pay for it; but I also understand that the real world can't just switch to InDesign on principle. Many prepress houses are still ID-incompatible -- and many of those are incompatible with Quark higher than v5.

But, this discussion is a bit off-topic, I guess. Woo hoo profit!!

I would tend to agree with that, I am in the design and print business myself while currently studying graphic design. I know a lot of prepress houses in NZ are still on OS9 and probably will be for the for seeable future. Mainly because a lot of the apps they use run in 9 and havent been written for 10 yet. 9 Is proven and stable and if it aint broke dont fix it.

There is also a very large cost involved usually running into the 10's of thousands of dollars due to the exhange rate NZ $ vs US dollar for Mac Gear when upgrading equipment.

Since much of the Print industry here uses Quark 4.1 here most places will be using OS 9, some design places will have upgraded to Quark 6 and or Indesign 2/3.

Where I am studying design we all use OS 9 since we are learning on the applications that 80% of NZ design/print Industry uses at this stage but have OSX.3 installed

 

[hulugu]

Old school iMacs

Originally posted by greenstork
Our nonprofit uses Macs, three of them to be exact. Two of those three are iMac 333's, which won't run OS X very well.

Actually, I've had really good luck with my old rev. A 233 iMac on OSX.3. Word, Mail, Safari, etc. are very responsive, the only thing that drags is System Preferences. The most important thing is RAM and I only have 128mb. And I really like OSX, especially Panther, and I think the time has come for OS9 to go into the dust-bin of history.

 

[virividox]

yay go apple all the way

 

[simX]

Re: PAtial explination of 40%

Originally posted by gerardrj
OS X for instance doesn't support internal floppies

Are you sure about that? I know my EXTERNAL SuperDisk drive needs no drivers under Mac OS X since version 10.1, but it could be different for internal floppies.

Originally posted by fatfish
That ridiculous figure as you call it was taken from a recent list of America's top ten paid CEO's. Maybe it's wrong, maybe it's right, maybe your right, maybe it includes return from any shares he has, maybe it includes income from pixar. But the figure I remember was around $ 450 m infact I think it was 439, but have you forgotten we are on a rumour discussion forum, we are supposed to repeat rumours, your LIE comment comes across very defensive indeed.

Anyway I'm not knocking the guy, hell it's his baby and if he did get that sort of money he's entitled to it.

Well, at the very least, provide a link, instead of just making some hand-wavy statement and presenting it as fact. Because, like I said, The Mac Observer article includes all bonuses and other forms of compensation, so Jobs clearly does not get $450 million per year.

 

[Selecter]

lotsa weird posts in here.

The stock went lower becuase of poeple having sell orders to lock in profits if Apple beat the street ( which they did, by 3 cents a share.) THATS WHY THE FRIGGIN STOCK WENT LOWER. It will slide lower yet by more poeple locking in more profits before it goes back up.

I have ran every version of the System since 6.0 on my SE FDHD, which I still have and it works great. That doesnt mean I should still be using it. I dont know why all the romantisizing about OS 9 - it was a primitive OS compared to Win 2000 and there's no one on the planet that SHOULD be running it still. It is a BAD THING that Apple had to stick with a obsolete OS as long as it did, and it's bad that only 40% of the installed user base migrated to X. Steve has got to be wondering why the hell 60% of his user base is happy using crappy software that freezes a few times every day. I would be.....on the other hand MS just had to extend support for Win98/SE for another 2 years becuase so many peeps are running that POS......so I guess it's the same on the other side too. Blah to both sides.....expand yer mind and expand yer wallet.

I.T. guys in companies will ALWAYS hate the Mac. They have to, their jobs depend on Windows being the OS that it is. If the company they worked for went to Macs half of them would become un employed. Thats the reason you dont find Macs in the enterprise.

DOnt knock OS 9 eh.....please

any Mac OS prior to X needs to be knocked - the only good thing about it was the GUI. Everything else blew. stable indeed......

 

[splashman]

And one weird poster in here

Originally posted by Selecter
any Mac OS prior to X needs to be knocked - the only good thing about it was the GUI. Everything else blew. stable indeed......

You're essentially calling all OS9 users idiots, even though many have posted valid and defensible reasons for continuing to do so. Keep your immature, judgmental outbursts to yourself.

 

[fatfish]

Re: Re: PAtial explination of 40%

Originally posted by simX
Well, at the very least, provide a link, instead of just making some hand-wavy statement and presenting it as fact. Because, like I said, The Mac Observer article includes all bonuses and other forms of compensation, so Jobs clearly does not get $450 million per year.

One does not take note of how to return to the source of an article one has read, and the longer ago it was the less likely one is to remember, however it would have started as a redirect from either macrumours or maybe maccentral.

Your all probably right, it does sound a little exagerated, but like I said isn't this how this forum works, one hears (or sees) something and posts it so that the validity can be discussed.

On the information people have provided, I now realise the figures are way off, but I wouldn't have known if I'd never mentioned it.

 

[groovebuster]

It's nice to see Apple having a 2 billion $ quarter again, but maybe the numbers should be taken with a grain of salt...

Just compare yourselves...

1/00 2.340 Mio. 183 Mio.

2/00 1.940 Mio. 233 Mio.

3/00 1.820 Mio. 203 Mio.

4/00 1.870 Mio. 170 Mio.

1/01 1.000 Mio. -195 Mio.

2/01 1.430 Mio. 40 Mio.

3/01 1.480 Mio. 61 Mio.

4/01 1.450 Mio. 66 Mio.

1/02 1.380 Mio. 38 Mio.

2/02 1.500 Mio. 40 Mio.

3/02 1.430 Mio. 32 Mio.

4/02 1.440 Mio. -45 Mio.

1/03 1.470 Mio. -8 Mio.

2/03 1.475 Mio. 14 Mio.

3/03 1.545 Mio. 19 Mio.

4/03 1.715 Mio. 44 Mio.

1/04 2.006 Mio. 63 Mio.

So let's compare... 4/01 they made the same profit with more than 500 mega$ less revenue.

Without the iPod selling like crazy at the moment, numbers would look way less "impressive" and I bet they even would make a loss. The profit they are making is due to the iPod, which means that they are losing money with their core business: MacOS X and their computers. I find that not very encouraging. If they sold 12% more computer units compared to last year it means they sold 740k units in 01/03. Let's pretend they had a marketshare of 4% last year. An increase of 12% in units gives them a market share of 4.5% now. I don't find that impressive at all. And it also means that the new G5s are far from being as succesful as they were expected to be. No new cutsomers, just the usual Mac-Heads replacing their gear.

As a Mac-User (I couldn't care less about the iPod) I am still very concerned about the future of my preferred OS platform. The market-share is still stagnant which doesn't help to make software companies developing stuff for the Mac.

And don't call me a negative person! I just try to read between the lines instead of just swallowing the blabla of a report that of course wants to make you believe that everything is just cool...

groovebuster

 

[ethernet76]

Originally posted by Le Big Mac
I've been wondering about that statistic as well. I guess it says Mac has a great installed base of users of older computers. But it also says those users aren't upgrading their machines (or keep them running in the corner as email only or something.

A lot of schools can't afford to upgrade because that means rebuying the site licenses.

Also there is a lot of software out there that doesn't exist for OS X.

Lastly if OS 9 works why upgrade? That means IT headaches along with rebuying all your programs with OS X compatible versions.

You could say, well why not just run them in classic mode. Here's the answer. Why would I start up in another OS just so my most used applications, which are OS 9 based, run more slowly?