Let me put it this way... nothing has changed from what Apple has stated to developers at WWDC 07.
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Let me put it this way... nothing has changed from what Apple has stated to developers at WWDC 07.
Likely the later... aka starting Oct. 26th. Likely any orders for Macs made via the Apple online store wont ship until after Leopard is available. Also I believe any Mac purchased today is within the free upgrade window.
i have to admit that mail and ichat have become much better productivity tools. i still hate the stationary in mail. it would be far more effective if you could say design you're own template in pages and have that integrate with mail. apple templates are horrible and even more, everyone would have the smae one. this feature would be better to create your own html email, if you had to say send out a weekly newsletter in html or something.
i like the share screen option in ichat, but i don't like having someone control my computer. does that make my controling the computer, disabled while that runs? it seems since you are already in a video chat and can communicate with the other user, that you should should just see their screen and verbally communicate. seems a bit redundant. i mean if you're physically going to make changes yourself then shouldn't you just do it on your machine so i can at least still use mine? it's like one guy doing one job using two computers redering one person not working. although i can see it being a useful teaching tool. for example if you're chatting with someone and say they ask you how to do something specific in photoshop. or you could even watch a tv show together or a movie.
i'm really psyched except everyone i can do this with has old macs and old software so i can't do it with them
Also while they are all really cool features they seem to be really cpu intensive to me. i just don't see them running that smooth on all machines.
i like the share screen option in ichat, but i don't like having someone control my computer. does that make my controling the computer, disabled while that runs? it seems since you are already in a video chat and can communicate with the other user, that you should should just see their screen and verbally communicate. seems a bit redundant. i mean if you're physically going to make changes yourself then shouldn't you just do it on your machine so i can at least still use mine? it's like one guy doing one job using two computers redering one person not working. although i can see it being a useful teaching tool. for example if you're chatting with someone and say they ask you how to do something specific in photoshop. or you could even watch a tv show together or a movie.
i'm really psyched except everyone i can do this with has old macs and old software so i can't do it with them
Also while they are all really cool features they seem to be really cpu intensive to me. i just don't see them running that smooth on all machines.
Why come they have to make everybody look like Steve Jobs. I bet this guy's hair isn't even naturally gray and he doesn't need glasses.
My take--as an UN-informed NON-developer
is:* The feature has not been "removed"--it was announced for the future since before Tiger, but Apple never said when exactly. I suspect the Leopard DOES have the feature since even Tiger has it (for testing purposes). But it was never listed as a Leopard feature. That was only ever a good guess.
* But I think it will remain a developer feature, not exposed to users, for a while. Apple won't claim it as a feature or talk about it publicly until it is ready to be provide a quality experience.
* Maybe 10.6, but I predict Apple will pull the lever some time next year via free update. Possibly alongside new displays, although I'd love the feature NOW on my current screens.
* So why the wait? Maybe the feature is truly not done, or more likely, a lot of apps don't play nice with it. Until most apps--especially the big names--play nice with res-independence, it will be a frustration or annoyance to users (at best) or a source of crashes and screen scrambling (at worst). And that means Apple's not wholly in control of when the feature is ready for the public. I think it will be available once the experience is a very consistent one.
My take--as an UN-informed NON-developer
* The feature has not been "removed"--it was announced for the future since before Tiger, but Apple never said when exactly. I suspect the Leopard DOES have the feature since even Tiger has it (for testing purposes). But it was never listed as a Leopard feature. That was only ever a good guess.
* But I think it will remain a developer feature, not exposed to users, for a while. Apple won't claim it as a feature or talk about it publicly until it is ready to be provide a quality experience.
* Maybe 10.6, but I predict Apple will pull the lever some time next year via free update. Possibly alongside new displays, although I'd love the feature NOW on my current screens.
* So why the wait? Maybe the feature is truly not done, or more likely, a lot of apps don't play nice with it. Until most apps--especially the big names--play nice with res-independence, it will be a frustration or annoyance to users (at best) or a source of crashes and screen scrambling (at worst). And that means Apple's not wholly in control of when the feature is ready for the public. I think it will be available once the experience is a very consistent one.
It has been stated that RI is embedded but can only be turned on through the developer tools. The reason it is not turned on is that there currently are not enough apps that utilize RI.
I'm pretty sure he was a project manager involved in the development, so hardly a chump! I think both of them were pretty good, they sounded calm and took their time. Every thing is new except the old ugly fugly aqua scrollbars! FIX IT!
Buttons, checkboxes and tick boxes are also Aqua in the style of the scroll bars. So not quite everything.
I actually read a story that all of the pictures and videos in these things are submitted by Apple employees, because Jobs wants the stuff to look like things everyday individuals can create. So maybe one of them has a fascination with Gnomes! Good spot
It will fit as many in the fan as it can (say 11) and then have an arrow linking to the remaining 289 in the Finder.
Support for HTML + CSS varies widely from mail client to mail client. The only way Apple can guarantee the recipient will be likely to read it is if they write their own.
If you think Apple's templates are horrible (goodness knows how this conclusion is reached when we have only seen fleeting screenshots), you obviously haven't used or seen "Stationary" in Windows Mail.
This is so cool!
Those functions are amazing! Not mentioning all those useful ones were not shown in the demo video.
I love the Finder! Just a couple of days ago, I was looking for a person's phone number on my PC but just couldn't figure out where it was (and it was kinda emergent). I guess with Finder on my new Mac, it won't be a problem at all! In the Mail part, he mentioned Yahoo, Gmail, etc. but not Hotmail, does that mean Mail do not integrate Windows Hotmail automatically? The new iChat is cool too. I take a lot of pictures while travelling, it's really hard/slow for friends or families to browse all of them where I uploaded on Facebook or myspace. With iChat, I can show them quickly through a good amount and tell them what's happening in the photo at the same time! (But I guess you have to have Mac on both ends first... damn) Stack and TM..... all those good ones just keep flowing in...
I can't wait!!!
Those functions are amazing! Not mentioning all those useful ones were not shown in the demo video.
I love the Finder! Just a couple of days ago, I was looking for a person's phone number on my PC but just couldn't figure out where it was (and it was kinda emergent). I guess with Finder on my new Mac, it won't be a problem at all! In the Mail part, he mentioned Yahoo, Gmail, etc. but not Hotmail, does that mean Mail do not integrate Windows Hotmail automatically? The new iChat is cool too. I take a lot of pictures while travelling, it's really hard/slow for friends or families to browse all of them where I uploaded on Facebook or myspace. With iChat, I can show them quickly through a good amount and tell them what's happening in the photo at the same time! (But I guess you have to have Mac on both ends first... damn) Stack and TM..... all those good ones just keep flowing in...
I can't wait!!!
So I really like they unified almost everything in the UI...
Although in the latest iTunes they changed the scrollbars from this ugly aqua stuff to some new cool scrollbars... I was hoping they would make their way into leopard and get the same scrollbars everywhere but it appears they didn't change in in the build they used in the video yet.
Every thing is new except the old ugly fugly aqua scrollbars! FIX IT!
I agree so much, I guess I'll have to find a theme for the scroll bars online or something.
Hotmail wont work because Hotmail does not use an industry standard system (IMAP, POP), Hotmail uses HTTPMail. I don't know if the plug in for HTTPMail works in Leopard .
I absolutely hate the glowing blue dots. If apple does have to use this stupid dock why don't they implement something like the opacity under the running application darker when open not a stupid blue dot that looks so out of place. The dock separator is also horrible. Two simple things that make me not want to buy leopard even though I will the day it comes out.
Cleardock will allow you to use the old-style dock. Personally I like the dock separator. The dots do look awful, but thankfully I'm a Quicksilver user, so everything in my dock is an open app
If you don't like it, don't use it. I think this is a HUGE feature, and the ability to actually control the other machine is a big plus. It's perfect for helping out the "grandma" types. And being able to just control the machine can be way faster than telling them what to do. Have you ever looked over the shoulder of someone not good with computers and tried to tell them what to do? Even that can be like pulling teeth. I'm very excited about this feature.
Can't agree more... The only thing is it could be even harder to convert my parents to Mac users. LOL
I noticed the same thing.
I Googled this a few days ago and the google descriptions indicated that wireless backups with TM were possible...but the links were dead.
I hope wireless backups are going to be possible with Airport Extreme...
Are you kidding? You must not work in the IT sector and all of your friends/relatives must be computer whizzes. Having the ability to have a "remote assistance", like that on Windows XP is a BIG DEAL. It's absolutely been a HUGE life saver in more ways than I can count. In both my professional and personal life.
I'm not sure why people complain about the glassy scrollbars but not about the glassy stoplight gizmos, the glassy menu bar, the glassy icons for things, etc.
It's not as if removing the scrollbars will remove all vestiges of glass and leave a glorious flat gray world
I like the glassy aqua scrollbars a lot better than the ones in iTunes, and I'm glad they are staying.
People used to like the glass, until Vista copied it
Great job Apple.... these guide tours are great additions to the release of new products... very helpful.
The scrollbars really look out of place against the dark unified theme, the menubar does not...personally I would like the scrollbar shown horizontal near the top of this pageI'm not sure why people complain about the glassy scrollbars but not about the glassy stoplight gizmos, the glassy menu bar, the glassy icons for things, etc.
It's not as if removing the scrollbars will remove all vestiges of glass and leave a glorious flat gray world
I like the glassy aqua scrollbars a lot better than the ones in iTunes, and I'm glad they are staying.
People used to like the glass, until Vista copied it
