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Sure...but I'm talking about tax evasion. I don't agree with what these large companies are doing. They are avoiding paying tax and at the same time reaping in massive profits. There is plenty there for them to pay back more fairly into society.
I disagree on a fundamental level. If those companies want to help they should, they should not be forced to help, just like you or I should not be forced to help. Charity is a much better solution than taxation. I could really help my community if 40% of my income was freed up.
 
I disagree on a fundamental level. If those companies want to help they should, they should not be forced to help, just like you or I should not be forced to help. Charity is a much better solution than taxation. I could really help my community if 40% of my income was freed up.
Sure - then they can make some major charitable donations. I don't see that happening from Apple's quarter. Not when they have so much cash in the bank that could be donated.

Also, whilst I understand your premise, I'm not convinced that all of us stopping paying taxes and instead making equivalent donations to our favoured area/cause/community is the way to have a balanced and stable society. Like it or not, in my opinion, someone has to pay for all the basic services we each use and require.
 
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A super elite company that puts out the best products and service is deservedly to be at the top. Apple wouldn't settle for anything less and it's evident why they receive the notoriety they do.

Oh, really?

Explain the hockey puck mouse then. They compromised.
Explain the G4 cube then. They compromised.
Explain the bendgate of iphone 6 then. They compromised.
Explain the camera bump on that ip6 and above. Compromised.
Explain the Maps cluster of a mess. They compromised. And it was on Cook's watch. He should have never greenlighted it until it was good to go.
Explain the Apple TV remote that resembles the Nintendo Wii 'pretending' to be a game system when it isn't. They settled for less. I was unimpressed by that.
Explain the iMac Pro as having the exact same iMac design without any progressive or evolutionary changes. They got lazy.
Explain how they dismissed the headphone jack and yet supplicating it with an adaptor, and still forcing people to actually having to recharge BOTH the phone and the bluetooth headphone separately. That's not courage. That's redundancy for the sake of 'vanity' design and feature, forsaking practicality.

Need I go on? They don't deserve the notoriety at all. With Jobs, they were focused and merciless. But with Cook? I don't care how much money he makes for Wall Street, at least Jobs did not bend backwards and kiss their rear behinds like the other one does.

I don't care if he's the operations genius. He's NO LONGER in that position. Williams is now in place of his old job.
 
And yet? People in the comments section will continue to write longggggg posts about how Apple is failing as a company because they don't do exactly what a couple users online want
 
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Any people laughed when I purchased their stock at around $3 a share.

I remember being 16 when the iPod came out and I told my dad to invest in AAPL because I thought that product was really cool. It was $52/share and he made 10% and sold. :( We could have been rich. haha
 
One of the few big companies in the world who DESERVE their earnings because it is based on products that people want and make the world a better place. Well done Apple

My gosh its deep in here today. One of the "few big companies in the world who DESERVE their earnings"??? Based on what, your idols to the God's of Cupertino. I'm pretty sure that most companies in the world deserve their earnings. I'm quite sure the one I work for does, and I am guessing that most of the people on this forum who are employed probably feel the same way.

And just exactly what has Apple done (more than other companies like say... hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, etc.. ) to make the world a better place. Lets see, Car Pool Karaoke, some new deal with Jay Z, and new emoticons??? I am pretty sure if Apple closed up shop tomorrow, the world would get along just fine and not miss a beat.

There is nothing quite like an Apple fanatic.

Im not sure how people losing their jobs is remotely something to make fun at...
shame on you.

Exactly... but some of the folks on here seem to think it is.

A super elite company that puts out the best products and service is deservedly to be at the top. Apple wouldn't settle for anything less and it's evident why they receive the notoriety they do.

Apple settles for a lot less than "the top"... they've just got a strong following that they can continue to milk along. I applaud them for their ability to make profit. But I also see a company that is getting "fat, dumb, and happy". There was another company like that called IBM. They used to print money with their mainframe business. They lost the way that their founder set for them and though they are still here as quite a large business, the bloom came off the rose a long time ago. Apple is eventually going to hit rocky roads. Their whole business is largely based on one product right now... the iPhone. This next release will I'm sure get them a lot more cash in the bank, but if they don't come up with something that big as a follow on things are going to eventually turn in the other direction.

Now it's my turn:

Really?

The original iPod did not have a built in radio, the way many portable MP3 players did. Macs and iMacs didn't use Intel processors and the Power PC processor that they did use was widely thought to be inferior.

And the iPhone? The original iPhone had only a software keyboard, and with no suggestions or autocorrect to help with a small software keyboard. It did not have 4G data capacity, had only an unimpressive 2mp camera, and you couldn't plug in a flash card to get more storage. There wasn't an App Store yet, you had to run the programs via cell data, which, remember, was slow, and no connection meant no programs. And the only cell phone provider for the iPhone was AT&T. And many thought all these Apple products to be overpriced.

I'm not saying this to knock Apple, I'm trying to point out that under Steve Jobs everything wasn't sweetness and light and instantly marvelous.

The original iPod WAS better than other MP3 players, even without a radio. It had a screen to watch videos on, a distribution program that was light years ahead of anybody else, at least for non tech users, and an interface that was incredibly elegant, functional and simple.

The iPhone also was one of a kind when it came out. Yes there were better small cameras. And better connected phones. But no one else had a device that was a music player AND a camera AND a phone AND a device to connect to the internet, all in one. And no one else had one for a while.

But don't pretend that there weren't design compromises and even mistakes made during the Jobs era. And don't think that people didn't say Apple wasn't overpriced then, either.

Um no... you need to check your history. There were a number of companies that had "a device that was a music player, AND a camera, AND a phone, AND a device to connect to the internet". I owned probably 6 or 7 different ones before the iPhone was ever saw the light of day. Lets see, just from a platform standpoint we had Microsoft (Pocket PC), Palm/HP (WebOS), Symbian, etc.. and there were numerous companies making products for each... years before the iPhone existed. And Google was also simultaneously developing Android. What made the iPhone a success was one thing... Steve Jobs. He made it "just work" better than others and crafted the App Store which was the secret sauce. But everything else was already there and in some cases better than the iPhone in its first iteration. And there ain't no Steve Jobs in Apple any more... clearly.
 
"Best products" is very subjective. Do they put the most money into build quality? unquestionably so (because they know they can make it back three-fold at the cash register) but there are still many "things" that Apple products don't do that their competitors do, and that's what makes the term "best" very, very subjective.

Seems you misconstrued my post. And No, there isn't anything subjective about Apple manufacturing the best products in the world. They last longer than other competitors and receive continual support for years. The consumer pays a high dollar, but they receive the best possible product. Period.

Also, competitor products that "Do" other things that Apple products has zero correlation with Apple's hardware standards, chip components, longevity and support. It doesn't matter what another competitor puts out for features or technology that Apple products don't incorporate, and nor was that what I was referring to from my original post. Apple's hardware is what sets them apart from others. Yes, other competitors have features over Apple, but that doesn't make it superior to Apple products, as that's there chosen standard. One other thing to take into consideration is Apple doesn't take the path of others competitors followings with technology, they don't have to and it doesn't shy away from their success soaring in hardware sales, even given the price point.
 
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Oh, really?

Explain the hockey puck mouse then. They compromised.
Explain the G4 cube then. They compromised.
Explain the bendgate of iphone 6 then. They compromised.
Explain the camera bump on that ip6 and above. Compromised.
Explain the Maps cluster of a mess. They compromised. And it was on Cook's watch. He should have never greenlighted it until it was good to go.
Explain the Apple TV remote that resembles the Nintendo Wii 'pretending' to be a game system when it isn't. They settled for less. I was unimpressed by that.
Explain the iMac Pro as having the exact same iMac design without any progressive or evolutionary changes. They got lazy.
Explain how they dismissed the headphone jack and yet supplicating it with an adaptor, and still forcing people to actually having to recharge BOTH the phone and the bluetooth headphone separately. That's not courage. That's redundancy for the sake of 'vanity' design and feature, forsaking practicality.

Need I go on? They don't deserve the notoriety at all. With Jobs, they were focused and merciless. But with Cook? I don't care how much money he makes for Wall Street, at least Jobs did not bend backwards and kiss their rear behinds like the other one does.

I don't care if he's the operations genius. He's NO LONGER in that position. Williams is now in place of his old job.

So you're making a dead end gripe against prior Apple products that have you personally have an issue with? Aside from that, your post is really nothing more than ranted opinion, which you're certainly entitled to, but misconstrueds my original post entirely.

Nor am I going to refute your issues over a camera bump or a mouse. That's asnine to even discuss how this has zero relevance to the success as a company they are today. Is Apple maps even directly related to my quote and what does that have to address with their notoriety as an alleged Trillion dollar company?

Also, you have some inconsistencies with your post that was not addressed, like the bending with the iPhone 6, which was rectified with the 7000 Series aluminum a year later with the 6s they you failed to mention that was assessed. Which Apple makes mistakes and they are not perfect, and no company is.

Also, you mentioned the deleted 3.5 Jack on the iPhone 7, then you stated Apple "Forced" people to charge their iPhone and Bluetooth headphone separately. That's false and Apple can't force anything on anyone. And you're complaining about an adapter they provided in the box? Again, you have more personal qualms with Apple then it's worth arguing over with you.

Being all the hardware issues you seem to not let go, then feel free to acknowledge their success under Cook as a whole and the companies continued growth and success. But I understand if you decide to reply with more alternative facts that fit your narrative of how Apple is not a success and doesn't deserve notoriety, when again, they do.
 
Hmm. I think it's come mostly from making products socially desirable, and overcharging to maintain massive profit margins. Apple wouldn't be half the value if they products were priced reasonably.
Everyone has their opinion. But I would say that their unit sales would be low if they were not priced "reasonably." Obviously that isn't the case...
 
It irks me that Apple’s notable achievements these days relate to how much money they’re making. Gone are the days when the headlines spoke of the clever and superior products that distinguished them from competitors.
 
See, I generally like The products. Are they the most advanced? Rarely. But they're well built usually. and they're decent

But take a good deep study at apples business ethics. Yeeeeesh.

Better under cook, but he's got his own serious issues
 
Don't forget it was MicroSoft who bailed out Apple back then, and kept them from insolvency with a timely loan.
Quite a magnanimous gesture from Bill. People losing their job is not a laughing matter.

Ughh...not this again. No, MSFT did not bail out Apple with a loan. That is not true, and never was. Look up how much Apple had in the bank at that moment in time.

Will this narrative ever die?
 
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It irks me that Apple’s notable achievements these days relate to how much money they’re making. Gone are the days when the headlines spoke of the clever and superior products that distinguished them from competitors.
How do you think Apple earns all their profits, if not by making clever and superior products that consumers want to buy over the competition? Instead, we get tons of clickbait about how Apple is losing to products like the Amazon Echo, fitbit, spotify etc. You know, products which are barely even making any money for their companies. People mocked the AirPods, but it's the best pair of wireless headphones I have used to date. People laughed at the Apple pencil's charging mechanism, but it's the only way I ever charge my pencil these days. People talk about how behind Apple was in AR, all the while forgetting that Apple has hundreds of millions of iOS devices already in circulation capable of supporting AR (and they will a few months from now).

I could go on and on. And best, we still have tons of people who can't see beyond all the dumb "Apple is doomed" articles.

You know what irks me more? I thought once the iPhone became the most successful electronic product humanity had ever seen, the Apple-is-dying chorus would end. Nope. Then Apple became the most successful company Wall Street had ever seen. Still nope.

Sigh.
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"Best products" is very subjective. Do they put the most money into build quality? unquestionably so (because they know they can make it back three-fold at the cash register) but there are still many "things" that Apple products don't do that their competitors do, and that's what makes the term "best" very, very subjective.
Well, it's "best" for the people who bought them. Apple products don't exactly sport the highest market share in the world. The Mac has just 10% market share but 50% of the profits. So there are people who like a Mac enough to part with their money, and evidently, enough people like the Mac enough to make it insanely profitable.

I think this speaks more about the state of the competition than it does about Apple.
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Well, their success clearly confirms that they obviously produce products that people WANT. But seriously - where and how exactly do Apple products make this WORLD a better place...?
By giving users (such as myself) a legitimately better product, which has a very real impact on the way I interact with my life.
 
A trillion dollars. And they apparently don't have the resources to upgrade a 4 year old product. And yes i deliberately didn't put which product i'm talking about, because there is more than one to choose from!
IMHO, the 'talent' at Apple is getting stale.
1. No decent upgrade to the Mac Mini, which has always been, and believe, meant to be, the gateway to the Apple ecosystem (coupled with the iPhone).
2. Although the iMac has been a well received product, it has had, I feel, too many issues throughout the line.
3. I'm a pro photographer and an iMac Pro starting at $5K...Out of my price range for a closed system. My 2012 Mac Mini maxed out was $1K. Don't think it has much life beyond OS 11.
4. With the knowledge that Apple has (if they use it), we should have the equivalent of a Mac Pro (or the wonderful G5 towers) in a much more compact system. ( I know we were promised a modular system, but.....)

As we all know..it's TC's Apple now...not sure if it's the right direction...
 
How do you think Apple earns all their profits, if not by making clever and superior products that consumers want to buy over the competition?

Read Malcom Gladwell's The Tipping Point. You underestimate the power of social influences on the psyche of consumers--particularly American consumers. Long before smartphones, Apple offered a superior tailor-made personal computer solution to Joe Average that was largely ignored by Joe. Despite people's frustration with Windows, Apple couldn't break a 5% marketshare because the Apple brand wasn't the better known brand. People mostly buy what other people tend to buy. Along came the iPhone. Because it was novel, it garnered headlines in common media outlets, not just tech circles. And the arrangement with AT&T ensured the device got the street cred and mass advertising to launch it. Without this deal, the iPhone would have suffered the same perception as Apple's other products: a niche brand that probably isn't compatible with the world at large. Copycat products with higher brand recognition would have shadowed the iPhone in due time. In fact, that ultimately occurred outside of the States, where Apple's marketshare is not as impressive. Apple's other products finally gained acceptance with the general populace on the coattails of the iPhone.

Still not convinced that Apple's current success is largely due to social factors rather than engineering or programming quality? Check out Mother Jones' website. They asked a dozen tweens if "Apple is cool". Their responses are revealing. I was convinced Apple was riding high on their appeal to youngsters. They are--but that appeal is showing cracks. These kids voiced a love-hate opinion of Apple that mirrors the sentiments of Apple's oldest fans. The kids acknowledge the quality of the wares, but lament the cost and limitations of Apple's walled garden. They admit that the brand's appeal is mostly one of status. These aren't customers who are devoted to the brand. Their experience with the products isn't as meaningful as it was for users of Apple's legacy products. Young fans aren't creating user groups, discussion boards, magazines, and fan sites like MacRumors. Those hangouts are leftovers from Apple's earlier history. Speaking of which, when two of Apple's longest media supporters, Walt Mossberg and David Pogue, start finding fault with Apple's products, they aren't generating clickbait.
 
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I'm 25 and have hundreds of times more in index funds right now. I'm testing the waters on what it's like buying stocks and working on finding more companies that seem like good investments. The one share of TSLA was far outperforming the index funds up until two weeks ago, and I expect it'll resume outperforming within a month.

As I have more at my disposal, I'll become less risk adverse and begin putting more into stocks and less elsewhere. I asked myself how much money I felt comfortable knowing it could vanish in a moment if things go all wrong, and I arrived at $500. About the value of one share of TSLA and one share of AAPL.
As long as you recognize that you're gambling and not investing, I guess that's OK. But when you said you "expect" a stock to do something...that's kind of crazy. A retail investor has virtually no edge on a multi billion dollar industry solely dedicated to figuring out optimal prices. Especially with highly coveted large cap stocks. Just because you think something will go up and it then does does not make you smart. It makes you lucky. Decades of research support this.
 
Any Analyst who thinks Apple could soon become a Trillion Dollar company is a Retard, plain & simple.

I'm an App Developer, with a single app up on the app store for more than two years, and I know the company better than any Pro Analyst who covers the company.

Apple is a company that is prop'd-up by the Extremely Young and the Extremely Dumb, IMO.

Many Pro Analysts point to the App Store as the second coming for Apple ... yet, one just needs to wonder over to the iOS App Store today, or this weekend, and see what apps the App Store Editors have recommended ... notice the lack of quality, & lack of enthusiasm by those who visist ... the iOS App Store died many years ago, and that Apple has done extremely little to fix the search & ratings mess that has persisted since ~2012.

And let us NOT forget that the all-mighty Apple was trading at ~$90/share last Summer !

If it wasn't for Apple's Buyback Program, the stock would be back at that level !

Pro Analysts who promote $1T USD valuation are very likely doing so other reasons (e.g., job is on the line, and they need to drum up something wild, etc.).

Look, its very simple, Tim Cook got the CEO job simply because Steve Jobs feared the Egos of the other internal candidates ... five plus years out, does anyone really believe he was the most qualified to run the company ?

Phil, the guy who runs WW marketing, should be fired, plain & simple ... the iPhone 7 "family" has a single differentiated product attribute, which Apple calls Display P3 / Wide Color ... yet, Phil, in his infinite wisdom, passes off the Intro responsibilities to some dude from Instagram ... AND, Apple has NOT promoted it even once since last Sept ... furthermore, extended color spaces are a technology targeted primarily to women ... so why then, would use the term "Wide" to describe it ??? ... Clueless, or simply Incompetent ? ... we'll never know the answer to that, as NOT a single Pro Analyst has ever questioned Apple about Wide Color !

So then, how can anyone take any Pro Analyst seriously when they can't even figure-out when Apple stumbles ??? by my count, Apple has lost-out one ~$15B in lost revenue, by NOT selling the 15M extra iPhone 7 Plus models they could have, if they had properly promoted Wide Color !

Is this really a company headed towards $1T USD ???

I'll leave it to the Reader to figure that out.

BTW, to my knowledge, NOT a single Apple Board member has an Electrical Engineering or Software Development background ... if one did, at least the Board wouldn't still be in the Dark, as they very likely are ! ... you want Apple's Dark Mark ??? ... I give you the Apple Board of Directors !

1.) Phil needs to be fired, or at least removed from WW marketing & running the iOS App Store.

2.) Tim needs to lose his Board seat, for protecting Phil, to at least show some level of Accountability.

3.) The Board needs to appoint at least one person with an EE background, turned iOS App Developer (that would be me!), or the alternative, just purge the lot, and start over !
 
Your entire post, and now that I go back a couple of pages, entire posting history is pretty bizarre. But this, this takes the cake

furthermore, extended color spaces are a technology targeted primarily to women ... so why then, would use the term "Wide" to describe it ??? ... Clueless, or simply Incompetent ? ... we'll never know the answer to that, as NOT a single Pro Analyst has ever questioned Apple about Wide Color !

“extended color spaces are targeted primarily at women”? What? Explain this.
 
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