current oled TVs do have relatively high brightness, but only for HDR and for smal fraction of screen.. having oled turned on max brightness, full on display, it will die relatively soon.. so very curios how apple is gonna solve this, if at all
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Apple Preparing for MacBook Pro Models With OLED Displays
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My thoughts exactly. My M1 MacBook Air keeps chugging along, should be good for another year or two.My 2020 14" M1 MacBook Pro is still serving me exceptionally well, so I might be ready to replace it in 2026 or 2027.
I still don't understand why my $749 MSRP Asus ZenBook can have an OLED, but apparently it's rocket science for Apple to try and figure out.
THAT SAID, I really don't think OLEDs should be used for computer monitors, and when 100% of future OLED MacBook owners develop burn-in on their $2000+ machine, I don't think it's going to go over well. Apple should stick with mini-LED.
THAT SAID, I really don't think OLEDs should be used for computer monitors, and when 100% of future OLED MacBook owners develop burn-in on their $2000+ machine, I don't think it's going to go over well. Apple should stick with mini-LED.
Apple's standards are higher. The ZenBook is a 500-nit display in HDR per their webpage, which is what my M1 MacBook Pro is in SDR (and the M4 models are now 600 nits in SDR). The MBP in HDR is 1600 nits so I expect that to be the minimum value for Apple.
Monitor manufacturers have continually been developing strategies to combat burn-in and most reputable OEM warranties cover burn-in so just be sure to keep your AppleCare up to date.
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Well we aren't really comparing apples to apples (ha) because of course your mini-LED MBP has higher brightness than an OLED. Of course, Apple has figured out how to get some crazy brightness on their iPad Pros with tandem OLED. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what we see used on the MacBooks. I think the answer is simple: profit margins. It is what it is.Apple's standards are higher. The ZenBook is a 500-nit display in HDR, which is what my M1 MacBook Pro is in SDR (and the M4 models are now 600 nits in SDR). The MBP in HDR is 1600 nits so I expect that to be the minimum value for Apple.
Monitor manufacturers have continually been developing strategies to combat burn-in and most reputable OEM warranties cover burn-in so just be sure to keep your AppleCare up to date.
OLED still has a 100% chance of burn in (it's inherent to the technology). The question is, how long does it take? Three years now, up from 2? I used my last MacBook for over 10 years. Apple doesn't seem to make products for people like me anymore. I don't pay for Apple Care because I can't stomach paying Apple more money after already spending $1,000+++. They can take a hike if they expect me to pay for Apple Care.
Yeah if OLED comes to MacBooks it will almost certainly be a stacked display like on the iPads.
Apple probably isn’t a fan of blooming and microLED is still too far out to be cost effective.
miniLED works great in TV’s where the zone size can really minimize the blooming effect as opposed to a laptop or iPad screen. Otherwise I think OLED is actually losing out to miniLED screens these days especially in regards to HDR content where they just can’t get bright enough to even break 1000nits.
I'm all for OLED, but having just purchased the M4 MacBook Pro, I'm not sure a Mac display can look much better than the Liquid Retina XDR display with ProMotion. 3024 by 1964 pixels at true 2X Retina is great and if the blacks could get any deeper it would be very hard to tell.
Sure there's a faint halo effect with mini-LED when light objects are surrounded by black, but it's hardly noticeable unless you're specifically looking for it.
Ditching the notch to achieve perfect bezel symmetry around the entire display is the last thing left to perfect MacBook design aesthetics.
Sure there's a faint halo effect with mini-LED when light objects are surrounded by black, but it's hardly noticeable unless you're specifically looking for it.
Ditching the notch to achieve perfect bezel symmetry around the entire display is the last thing left to perfect MacBook design aesthetics.
Agreed, I really, really, really do not want an OLED MBP. Although I usually replace my machines before AppleCare runs out, I'd like to have the option of keeping it for years longer, or giving it to relatives and having them gets years of use out of it. OLED takes that away - at some point, the screen will suffer burn-in and look like crap.
I have no idea why everyone is so crazy about OLED. The MBP's Mini-LED is awesome - almost all the advantages of OLED, but none of the drawbacks. It's just a superior technology for laptops.
Agreed. OLED produces an image that is downright incredible. But that doesn't mean you should put one everywhere there's a screen.
I'm actually considering getting a new TV sometime soon and am heavily debating getting a mini-LED for the burn-in reason alone. I keep my stuff a long time. They are getting the lighting zone count so high these days that the mini-LEDs are getting quite close to OLED. Like 2,500 dimming zones in the MBP, I think? On a screen that small? That's amazing.
With OLED, you will 100% get burn in on the dock and taskbar. The question is just how long will it take.
I just dont get it obviously.
To me, Apple is at the forefront of design and technology.
How its almost 2025, I have had my C8 and now C4 OLED LG displays forever.. my sisters old dell laptop.. all OLED, but somehow, is deciding to being OLED to laptops now and we are supposed to be.. excited?
To me, Apple is at the forefront of design and technology.
How its almost 2025, I have had my C8 and now C4 OLED LG displays forever.. my sisters old dell laptop.. all OLED, but somehow, is deciding to being OLED to laptops now and we are supposed to be.. excited?
Dont stress, me and my son use the old C8 (and new C4) for gaming.. no burn in with 000s of hours. I have only had the C8 for nearly 6 years.. how long will most people keep their laptops?
No burn in - I use it for general web browsing, video playback with MadVR for VR headset processing. That's quite CPU and GPU intensive.
No burn in? Really? That's impressive and reassuring. To be fair, I've seen plenty of people report back with burn in, hence my worries. But that's very reassuring. I believe the C8 onwards are supposed to be the better TV's? I think it the C7 was notorious for burn in IIRC.
I feel that I fall into the "high risk" category. I primarily game or watch YouTube. I'm not a big TV show or movie guy. And when I'm not sitting in front of the TV, I usually have a video or stream of a video game playing in the background on YouTube. So, for all intents and purposes, a video game with static elements is on the TV 75% of its usage, whether I'm playing or not.
I don't know if you can speak to the background usage or not? Maybe you turn yours off when you're not physically in front of it. But thank you very much for sharing you and your son's experience. By the way, how cool it is that you and your son get to game together.
Edit - Oh and the laptop question. I mean, most people, probably ~5 years. I used my last MacBook for over ten. But that's probably a bit of an anomaly. Nevertheless, when Apple's laptops start costing $2,000+, even every five years sounds way too soon.
Edit 2 - There's a big disparity in the longevity of the panels used in TV sets versus some of the OLED monitors on the market. Specifically, some users of Alienware's ultra wide OLED are getting burn in within a year. I don't know if it's a use case issue or a panel issue. One year is unacceptable.
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Dont understand where the higher battery life with OLED claims come from ? Every single OLED laptop on the market has significantly lower battery than the IPS version of the same model.
The only difference most will see is the price and probably over heating issues 😏