Apple Preparing to Add ChatGPT Integration to Siri

[WarmWinterHat]

Apple wasn’t sued for the monetary agreement, Google was. Apple's issue will be seeing the $20 billion/year gravy train likely come to an end (assuming it's not overturned on appeal) but they were lucky it lasted as long as it did.

I know, but they need to keep away from any indication of Monopoly power, so my bet is they will be playing it safe, even with things that are not currently be looked into. Google losing shows that large tech companies aren't immune.

Any big monetary agreement to put a company's product ahead of others on a platform is now a target.

 

[r3m1]

Is that it for you then, you've drawn a line under technology in 2024 and no more further enhancements past this?

I feel my Dad did the same in about 1979 with the calculator, he allowed and learnt that and then he drew a line under it there and decided that was enough.

It means technology has to come up with better implementations.

Technology today has a far greater impact compared to 1979.

 

[Serqetry]

I'm afraid you and others in the tech world overestimate the potential and the interest of the public at large, and unfortunately seem to be okay with said AI training on others works without their permission, which I find absolutely abhorrent.

Yeah I have absolutely no problem with AI training on any works, because humans can do exactly the same thing. IP laws should not exist, they stifle innovation.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Yeah I have absolutely no problem with AI training on any works, because humans can do exactly the same thing. IP laws should not exist, they stifle innovation.

Well I've decided to stop posting knowledge and help only field and in various forums, because I don't want my data sucked into an AI without my permission. I even pulled down a few published academic papers I had online.

You can innovate all you want but using my creations to profit from, without my permission, is unacceptable.

I don't care about the law, asking permission is the right thing to do. You're "innovation" doesn't outweigh ethics.

 

[JohnC1959]

It will be nice to have Siri finally be useful. I've used my google speaker at home a lot to ask questions (mostly tied to some movie I was watching) but Siri just referred me to some web pages. Currently I've added a control to my lock screen to invoke the ChatGPT voice chat.

 

[Serqetry]

Well I've decided to stop posting knowledge and help only field and in various forums, because I don't want my data sucked into an AI without my permission. I even pulled down a few published academic papers I had online.

You can innovate all you want but using my creations to profit from, without my permission, is unacceptable.

I don't care about the law, asking permission is the right thing to do. You're "innovation" doesn't outweigh ethics.

It's your choice to be greedy and stingy. But anything that goes on the internet is fair game for anyone's eyes and brains, including robot eyes and brains.

Your kind of philosophy doesn't help advance mankind... calling it "ethics" doesn't actually make it ethical. Hoarding knowledge is what's unethical.

Nobody can own an idea.

 

[johnsawyercjs]

I now pay $20.00 monthly for ChatGPT Plus. I wonder if I cancel the app subscription if will I get the same features. Any input? Thanks

Though the article says "...ChatGPT integration will be free with no account creation required", it also says "Apple and OpenAI will not store ChatGPT requests made from Apple devices, and IP addresses will be hidden." This seems to be saying that, unlike with a current $20 a month ChatGPT subscription that you can access using a web browser or with the ChatGPT app on any device, Apple's integration of ChatGPT into Siri won't remember your conversations with it, so it won't be able to reference those past conversations in composing new responses, so the responses given by ChatGPT via Siri may be less personalized than when using your regular ChatGPT account in the ways you currently do. In other words, ChatGPT via Siri won't be linked to, and so it won't be able to use, all the more advanced features that you pay for with your regular ChatGPT monthly subscription.

 

[Tagbert]

Though the article says "...ChatGPT integration will be free with no account creation required", it also says "Apple and OpenAI will not store ChatGPT requests made from Apple devices, and IP addresses will be hidden." This seems to be saying that, unlike with a current $20 a month ChatGPT subscription that you can access using a web browser or with the ChatGPT app on any device, Apple's integration of ChatGPT into Siri won't remember your conversations with it, so it won't be able to reference those past conversations in composing new responses, so the responses given by ChatGPT via Siri may be less personalized than when using your regular ChatGPT account in the ways you currently do. In other words, ChatGPT via Siri won't be linked to, and so it won't be able to use, all the more advanced features that you pay for with your regular ChatGPT monthly subscription.

In an interview Apple executives said that if you have an OpenAI account that you could use it with the Siri integration and under those circumstances ChatGPT would be able to retain access to past conversations and that you would be covered by the OpenAI privacy policy and not by Apples.

 

[mrr]

I’m still waiting for Siri to grow up.

 

[johnsawyercjs]

In an interview Apple executives said that if you have an OpenAI account that you could use it with the Siri integration and under those circumstances ChatGPT would be able to retain access to past conversations and that you would be covered by the OpenAI privacy policy and not by Apples.

Interesting! Thanks. If that works properly, it'll be the way to do it.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

It's your choice to be greedy and stingy. But anything that goes on the internet is fair game for anyone's eyes and brains, including robot eyes and brains.

Your kind of philosophy doesn't help advance mankind... calling it "ethics" doesn't actually make it ethical. Hoarding knowledge is what's unethical.

Nobody can own an idea.

But ChatGPT should be able to take it, lock it up behind a paywall and make a profit from it? While not evening being willing to cite the reference when regurgitating data?

That's ethical? 😶

 

[Serqetry]

But ChatGPT should be able to take it, lock it up behind a paywall and make a profit from it? While not evening being willing to cite the reference when regurgitating data?

That's ethical? 😶

What paywall? ChatGPT is free, you don't have to pay for the Plus subscription if you don't want to. And yeah, just like a human can learn something and then make a profit from it... so should AI be able to.

Also, there's lots of other models not owned by OpenAI, including open source models. Anyone is free to use data available on the internet to train their LLMs.

Paranoid and selfish people who want to hide knowledge and art from the AIs others are creating are just holding everyone back.

 

[neotint]

For Apple to avoid further staining its brand with its choice to use ClosedAI, there needs to be a system-wide opt-in default (not opt-out) for all GPT integrations. How Apple implements highly controversial and ethically questionable services like ClosedAI's will be a strong signal about any shift in Apple's ethical reputation of being more advanced in privacy and strongly user/customer-centric. Hopefully, this business and ethical misstep is temporary and Apple will soon cancel its partnership agreement with ClosedAI.

 

[DaveWil]

Do you have a source that says Apple will be charging $20 a month for Siri?

I don't want a link for a rumor. I want cold, hard, facts.

lNo, no, I guess I should have said IF it is $20 a month like the standard ChatGPT.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

What paywall? ChatGPT is free, you don't have to pay for the Plus subscription if you don't want to. And yeah, just like a human can learn something and then make a profit from it... so should AI be able to.

Also, there's lots of other models not owned by OpenAI, including open source models. Anyone is free to use data available on the internet to train their LLMs.

Paranoid and selfish people who want to hide knowledge and art from the AIs others are creating are just holding everyone back.

ChatGPT isn't learning anything, it's rote algorithmic regurgitation. It's not a person, living or sentient being and doesn't have rights. They should at least cite their sources but they can't even be bothered, because they want to keep their sources/scraping a secret.

Basically, if I didn't charge to access my knowledge, you shouldn't charge to access it either, under any plan/circumstance/model. A free option isn't enough, it's needs to be 100% free...and cite all sources, every time, without exception.

 

[Cloudyskies22]

For Apple to avoid further staining its brand with its choice to use ClosedAI, there needs to be a system-wide opt-in default (not opt-out) for all GPT integrations. How Apple implements highly controversial and ethically questionable services like ClosedAI's will be a strong signal about any shift in Apple's ethical reputation of being more advanced in privacy and strongly user/customer-centric. Hopefully, this business and ethical misstep is temporary and Apple will soon cancel its partnership agreement with ClosedAI.

Lmfao.

I cannot wait for the integration with OpenAI.

Finally Siri will become useful and iOS in general where it concerns giving you any actual information.

P.S. OpenAI will be one of if not the first company to make AGI and it will change the world a billion times more than Apple ever did.

 

[Chuckeee]

Paranoid and selfish people who want to hide knowledge and art from the AIs others are creating are just holding everyone back.

More along the lines that people who are unable to innovate, create or develop new knowledge want to just take all of that for themselves without acknowledging or giving just compensation those who actually innovate, create or develop that knowledge.

 

[mslilyelise]

So, question since I don't see a clear answer, is Siri going to support this on HomePod or other smart home devices? I don't have any use for the AI features on phones and laptops, and my devices won't support them anyway so that's fine, but I would like it if Siri was a little less of a bonehead after this upgrade especially when it comes to home commands.

 

[Serqetry]

ChatGPT isn't learning anything, it's rote algorithmic regurgitation. It's not a person, living or sentient being and doesn't have rights. They should at least cite their sources but they can't even be bothered, because they want to keep their sources/scraping a secret.

Basically, if I didn't charge to access my knowledge, you shouldn't charge to access it either, under any plan/circumstance/model. A free option isn't enough, it's needs to be 100% free...and cite all sources, every time, without exception.

Nonsense. By definition it is learning. It's called machine learning/deep learning for a reason. It doesn't need to be sentient to learn. The transformer model is closer to how the human brain works than the anti-AI crowd will ever admit.

These arguments are funny, because there's no stopping AI and you will all be proven wrong in short order at the rate things are progressing.

 

[Tagbert]

So, question since I don't see a clear answer, is Siri going to support this on HomePod or other smart home devices? I don't have any use for the AI features on phones and laptops, and my devices won't support them anyway so that's fine, but I would like it if Siri was a little less of a bonehead after this upgrade especially when it comes to home commands.

The plan is for Siri to get an LLM-based AI upgrade over the next few months to improve its flexibility and ability to to interpret your requests and better at interfacing with other apps and devices. That is currently only going to run on devices with newer chips and 8GB of RAM. Any Apple Silicon Mac, any M-series iPad, and on the iPhone 15 Pro or newer iPhone.

Apple hasn’t talked about any plans to bring AI to HomePods, Watches, or older devices. Some people have speculated that Apple might allow those devices to hand off the request to your phone but that’s just wish-casting at this point.

 

[m4mario]

Did Tim phone you?

Well, not Tim...

 

[Ajungi]

It's your choice to be greedy and stingy. But anything that goes on the internet is fair game for anyone's eyes and brains, including robot eyes and brains.

Your kind of philosophy doesn't help advance mankind... calling it "ethics" doesn't actually make it ethical. Hoarding knowledge is what's unethical.

Nobody can own an idea.

You must be kidding, ever heard of patent’s?