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And you would charge producers what for distribution to millions of potential buyers?

I would do the same thing with a device where the user has ZERO choice about where to buy something. Mobsters do the same thing, if you want to own a business on their block you pay them for the right to do so.
 
As long as Apple use their own proprietary DRM epub format instead of Adept or ADE I will never buy any book or magazine from them.
 
Everything you say makes sense if there were alternate "App stores."
There's one. Only one.

There is more than one App Store, the papers can go sell their editions in Android MArket Place, Windows Mobile, Ovi Store, etc. They don't have to sell them on the iPhone and App Store, I don;t see them being forced.

Apple runs the store and can sell things as they like, just like any other store in the world - online or bricks and mortar.

You knew how the iPhone worked and how it is liked to the store when you bought it, so what is the problem. Don't like it then get a different phone!
 
I would do the same thing with a device where the user has ZERO choice about where to buy something. Mobsters do the same thing, if you want to own a business on their block you pay them for the right to do so.

So why did you buy the ****ing phone if you did not like the way it is controlled?
 
If I buy a paper subscription, I should get the digital subscription "with it".

If I get the digital subscription "only", it should be at a slight discount from paper (to account for reduced overhead costs)

Both deliveries should have basically the same content, but with a digital subscription giving you some better search/link tools, access to archives, etc. Possibly some space for "breaking news", and feedback.

Both paper & digital deliveries should have the same ads - keep it simple. Advertisers buy ads to target readers, and it doesn't matter if the readers are looking at a digital or print copy.

Doing something fancy with ads is going to mess with the layout & presentation of these publications - I'd be surprised if it comes out looking OK.

The main problem appears to me to be someone like apple, trying to get a large cut of the revenue, and breaking this fragile model. Is apple really providing enough service to justify a 30% cut? I like apple, but I think not...

Apple had user data that publishers need for targeted ads.

Apple after all is a business much like the publishers.

Yes it's all about money.
 
30% is quite a lot on already bad margins for News Paper companies; but ultimately if the print version continues to decline they will have to bend over for Apple.

Why would they pay 30% to Apple? What if they they simply created a web site with the same content and charged readers a subscription fee to view the web site? They could charge the users 30% less to access the web version of the paper can cut Apple out of the loop. Readers I'm sure would prefer the 30% lower price to the same content.
 
I would do the same thing with a device where the user has ZERO choice about where to buy something. Mobsters do the same thing, if you want to own a business on their block you pay them for the right to do so.

Ah, now we see the real reason for leroypants being so upset. It's funny, there's a tiny subset of the population that cannot stand the idea of a curated app store. Never mind that it has more choice than we know what to do with, never mind that it has wonderful quality apps that people love to download. It isn't a free-for-all, so it's EVIL!

And once you establish that fact, then every normal business decision Apple makes is BAD by default. Logic goes out the window.
 
Why would they pay 30% to Apple? What if they they simply created a web site with the same content and charged readers a subscription fee to view the web site? They could charge the users 30% less to access the web version of the paper can cut Apple out of the loop. Readers I'm sure would prefer the 30% lower price to the same content.

a lot of people take the train to work. the NY times iphone/android app supports offline caching enabling you to read it even if outside a signal area
 
They allow access through things like pdf's and web apps. They provide access through the app store, and can demand to be paid for it.

I don't necessarily agree with what they want from subscriptions, but I recognize that they are free to demand those terms if they want.

This is quite right, and Apple has every right and duty (to its shareholders of which I'm one) to do this. I don't understand the grief here. If the news outlets want to go around apple TODAY on the iPad they can!!! They can create their own user management system and collections system and use third-party adverts, just like before iAd. Apple would get 0% of this. The problem is they (the news outlets) don't have the skills or motivation to do this (why I don't know). So, instead, they are depending on what Apple provides and therefore they should pay the price asked. If its too high they have alternatives readily available and Apple will suffer, as they should for being 'too greedy'. It all works out if people, and Companies, are lazy.

The entitlement mentality is once again running rampant and being used to generate false impressions of what's actually going on.
 
Sloppy with the facts here, MacRumors. This article says that WSJ and NYT have subscription services for iPad. WSJ does; NYT does not.
 
Paid NY Times app coming soon

Earlier today, the company where I consult was visited by reps from the New York Times. They said the Times plans on releasing a subscription-model app for the iPad that will provide access to all the paper's content - not just the excerpts that the current Editor's Choice app allows.

It should appear - according to them - "sometime in the next 3 to 4 weeks; sometime in October".

This will likely come at the same time as a payment model for online access via web browser is announced as well.

I know I have no history here, but this info is guaranteed to be an accurate account of what we were told today.
 
Millions of ios devices out there plus content those users want equals lots of money for Apple and all of the publishers. Seems like everybody wins.
 
I'm already using PressReader who are the Zinio of the newspaper world.

Me too - and TBH PressReader justifies my iPad purchase alone.

I pay £20/month ($30) for unlimited newspapers delivered to my iPad,
and have 6 auto-delivered per day. It's great having them always available to read (and able to read offline) - it will even speak the text for you (though you do have to be online for the speak aloud feature to work).

Apparently has has much better selection of UK newspapers than US papers though.
 
Apple should have made iBooks have a storefront for subscription based media from day one. Sell magazines, newspapers, comics and so on.

I totally agree, and that's why my company uses the iBookstore to sell our comics rather than releasing each book as an individual app.

We also sell our e-versions for 50% off the cover price of our physical books.

Unfortunately, though, the iBookstore is still playing playing second fiddle to the App Store. As a publisher, I'd like to see the ability to search the App Store for book titles, and then have the search results take the person conducting the search into the iBookstore.
 
I've made no purchases for the iPhone and two purchases (not my money) for the iPad (again, not my money).

Apple is almost as bad as Microsoft was in its prime. I just hope that the Android folks get their OS to be as smooth and seamless as Apple's. At that point it will be a no-brainer.
http://econsultancy.com/us/blog/6576-apple-digital-s-greatest-challenge

Solutions like the one Zinio has adopted is the way to go. Give away the App and bypass Apple entirely.

Cheers!

There is more than one App Store, the papers can go sell their editions in Android MArket Place, Windows Mobile, Ovi Store, etc. They don't have to sell them on the iPhone and App Store, I don;t see them being forced.

Apple runs the store and can sell things as they like, just like any other store in the world - online or bricks and mortar.

You knew how the iPhone worked and how it is liked to the store when you bought it, so what is the problem. Don't like it then get a different phone!
 
NY Times

I hope the Times adopts something like that. For 2 years I was a Times Select subscriber simply because I grew up with the paper and I absolutely love it.

Hopefully they will give away the App and ensure that little/no money goes to Apple. Apple makes enough on the sales of the damned machine.

Why would they pay 30% to Apple? What if they they simply created a web site with the same content and charged readers a subscription fee to view the web site? They could charge the users 30% less to access the web version of the paper can cut Apple out of the loop. Readers I'm sure would prefer the 30% lower price to the same content.
 
I would do the same thing with a device where the user has ZERO choice about where to buy something. Mobsters do the same thing, if you want to own a business on their block you pay them for the right to do so.

If you open shop on ANY block you will be paying for the right to do so... Yes, all those businesses you patron are paying a lease or have purchased property (with real money) to have the opportunity to sell things to you. Surprise! :p
 
paper carriers

If digital delivery of newspapers becomes big, think of all the truck drivers and paper carriers that will lose their jobs.

America needs to take back many factories that are now in China
 
Apple is almost as bad as Microsoft was in its prime.

Yep, that's the thought Microsoft has been pushing for several years now, and sad to see it beginning to take hold. Those who forget history get misled.

If Apple really were as bad as Microsoft, we'd see Apple hauled before the courts and convicted the way Microsoft was convicted.
 
If digital delivery of newspapers becomes big, think of all the truck drivers and paper carriers that will lose their jobs.

America needs to take back many factories that are now in China

Since when did US paper carriers and delivery truck drivers work in Chinese factories? Or are those two different topics?
 
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