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I was waiting for the Anti Tim comment. I agree with the last part. Fewer complaints. They’re predictable and boring. ^^
Bugs are predictable, boring, and annoying. The quality has clearly gone down. There's no way a QA team can just somehow miss most of the bugs we have seen. The only way those bugs happen is because someone isn't doing their job. Security patches are different, but you cannot just miss your flagship phone turning into a hand warmer and many other bugs.
 
I hope they don’t fix the issue of names not showing when I text someone for the first time. Only their number will show up in messages, even if they are a contact in my phone. The whole contact experience of iOS 17 has been nothing but chaos and calamity. Bless their fruity hearts at Apple.
 
Hope it fixes the low sound of callers on phone calls on 15 plus I need to use speaker to hear callers. Sounds ok for other things
I have the same problem on my 15pro. The volume indicator/slider raises the bar visually, but call volume doesn’t change above a low whisper
 
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If they would just fix the @#*(($%& caps key jumping bug. Sheesh.
 
What exactly is not working for you at the moment?
I don't know what they did to screw it up (probably the way they implemented security patches), but the overheating issue and the battery randomly losing 10% or more of charge in 2 minutes was introduced with the 16.5.1 update. It's affecting all models to a different degree.

Other bugs almost don't matter if your phone overheats and starts losing charge, but there are plenty of them, including WiFi, Siri stops responding (the only fix is to restart the phone), maps can't get the GPS signal (Apple and Google maps), random shutdowns overnight, photos crashing while scrolling, etc, etc.

The quality of AirPods is very poor, too. Like clockwork, one of the AirPods becomes quieter after several months or longer, and this has been going on for years and is still an issue.
 
The things is we don't need 50 different updates. You don't see Android doing this, they release like 3 updates in an entire year
 
I was waiting for the Anti Tim comment.
Tim Apple is great, at managing inventory at least, but yes, if he cannot get his troops in line, then maybe it's time for someone new. I doubt he knew that his flagship phone is a hand-warmer, but they do have more than one QA manager, so maybe he should ask them to do actual QA or wait longer than 1 year to release updates that make very expensive phones not work as expected. Is it too much to ask for WiFi and the battery to work in 2023?
 
I hope they don’t fix the issue of names not showing when I text someone for the first time. Only their number will show up in messages, even if they are a contact in my phone. The whole contact experience of iOS 17 has been nothing but chaos and calamity. Bless their fruity hearts at Apple.
Yes I agree, I just got a new phone last wk. And Im still getting used to it. I went from the iphone 8 to iphone se 2022 version. I noticed not all of my settings transfered over. I think it was cuz I said I dont use 2fa. The only bug Ive found recently is when I go to my icloud.com>data recovery I am noticing that some of my contacts are being deleted when I havent deleted them. Its very odd, the contacts are still on my phone itself just not on icloud.com if you will. I dont know if its a ios 17.1 bug or if its a icloud contacts bug. Im monitoring it though.
 
My iPhone 15 pro is set to max 80% charging but is still charging to 100% under 17.1
 
Bugs are predictable, boring, and annoying. The quality has clearly gone down. There's no way a QA team can just somehow miss most of the bugs we have seen. The only way those bugs happen is because someone isn't doing their job. Security patches are different, but you cannot just miss your flagship phone turning into a hand warmer and many other bugs.

The Pentium FDIV (floating point) bug is a bug.
Windows calculator bug was a bug
Y2K was a bug.
A rounding error in the Patriot Missile Failure was a bug.

A scrolling issue in ios16, whilst annoying for geeks is hardly an issue. Fixes have been required for every iOS since iOS 1.0. they have also been in every Android, Microsoft, MacOS, Unix system since ver 1.0.

It'd be a noteworthy bug if the camera didn’t focus (Android 2.0). Google Nexus One, X & Y coordinates flipped (problem still persists from 2010). Sending sms to the wrong person (Android Froyo).

Don’t overstate an issue if you make it an issue.
 
Serious question. Where did you get the evidence to sustain this claim;
"most people don't give a hoot about updates right? They just have automatic updates turned on"
Well I will add that 100% of people I personally know (family, friends) don't sweat about updates on their phones or iPads. They just let them update automatically. Most never even know unless the message tells them so. This also includes some electronics technicians I work with at work. They couldn't care less about phone updates and never follow anything about updates. So perhaps the person you asked has some sort of hard evidence for you but you will just have to take my word for it for my evidence.

Also do you seriously think most people worry about their phone updates or even know about them? c'mon man :)
 
I see lot of kvetching about updates. You do realize most people don't give a hoot about updates right? They just have automatic updates turned on and once in a while they wake up and their phone has been updated.

If it's bothering you so much, just turn on automatic updates and stop worrying about it. iOS is good about doing these updates when you're asleep.
But... automatic updates take ages to actually download (can be several weeks after the actual release), and - correct me if I'm wrong, but it will never automatically update to a full new number version (e.g. from 16.x to 17.x).
 
Serious question. Where did you get the evidence to sustain this claim;
"most people don't give a hoot about updates right? They just have automatic updates turned on"
I agree with both of you. There's no real evidence, but everyone I talk except for one person do just assume that their phones will keep themsleves up-to-date, even with major releases (which is not right).
 
The Pentium FDIV (floating point) bug is a bug.
Windows calculator bug was a bug
Y2K was a bug.
A rounding error in the Patriot Missile Failure was a bug.

A scrolling issue in ios16, whilst annoying for geeks is hardly an issue. Fixes have been required for every iOS since iOS 1.0. they have also been in every Android, Microsoft, MacOS, Unix system since ver 1.0.

It'd be a noteworthy bug if the camera didn’t focus (Android 2.0). Google Nexus One, X & Y coordinates flipped (problem still persists from 2010). Sending sms to the wrong person (Android Froyo).

Don’t overstate an issue if you make it an issue.
But what I don't get is how they break stuff that was working fine before
 
Well Siri on my g/f's phone & iPad activate when I ask a question in the living room with an OG HomePod, my iPhone, and my iPad...and they complete the task. I was able to turn on/off her Bluetooth just by asking Siri.

Odd.
 
But... automatic updates take ages to actually download (can be several weeks after the actual release), and - correct me if I'm wrong, but it will never automatically update to a full new number version (e.g. from 16.x to 17.x).
If you're on an older version major updates will install eventually once Apple starts pushing them as the primary update available for the device. iOS 17 for example is still on the secondary path and won't install automatically for devices on iOS 16.
 
Gesus... what is happening, almost like weekly update.
Indeed, could be daily if the trend continues. Great opportunity to rename & sync iPhone and iOS versions. iPhone 16 would be iPhone 24, iOS 18 would be iOS 24. Then, for example, iOS 24.11.02 will be the update released on that date … could tag on AM or PM if necessary 😊
 
Hilariously missing the point. They release a buggy new version that causes issues every damned year. My point is stop doing that and instead once its a settled working system just release incremental changes and improvements.

It just works my a$$
You don’t have to update, nobody forces you.
 
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Hilariously missing the point. They release a buggy new version that causes issues every damned year. My point is stop doing that and instead once its a settled working system just release incremental changes and improvements.

It just works my a$$
There is nothing as bug free software especially one as complicated as iOS.
 
Is it? If Apple cannot handle more than one timer, stickers, and some other trinkets that Android had 5 years ago, then maybe they need new leadership, not fewer complaints.
It is. Is there any aspect in our life that iOS didn't touch? I mean it even knew when I took off from some place that I dropped my AirPods Pro there and should get back to retrieve it, a mere minutes after.
 
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