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I'm pretty sure these are definite changes:

MobileMe scrapped
iMessage support
Security Updates
Bug Fixes
Retina Support

I don't see Notification Center coming to Lion because its a touted feature of ML. However, iMessage I can definitely see coming just like FaceTime was available for SL. Although you may have to pay 0.99 to buy iMessage from the App Store.

Things I'd like to see would be TRIM support, fix bug during login so I don't get the beachball of death, and fix hang up during normal use that prevents me from doing anything except holding the power button.
 
Would there be any reason someone stays of from Mountain Lion and keep Lion?

The main reason would be if their mac isn't supported. Probably also some compatibility issues (things that only have 32 bit drivers etc).


why don't they just call Mountain Lion 10.7.6 instead?

Not really an option since it drops support for a number of macs. And it's a big enough change that it breaks compatibility with some things, even if some don't consider it a big update, it's too different to label as a point update.


At this point, I hope I don't have to upgrade to 10.7.5 to get 10.8.

Nope, you can skip from 10.6.8.
 
...except it does bring a lot both on the surface and under the table.

That's amusing as alot of the "new features" are old ones Apple removed from OS X and now returned as "new". "Save As..."? Revolutionary! :rolleyes:

Check the WWDC threads on Apple's OS X 10.8 announcement, hundreds of comments on the same matter. Shame that iOS and the consumer market have chipped away at actual advancements and quality.
 
That's amusing as alot of the "new features" are old ones Apple removed from OS X and now returned as "new".

I am glad they reverted on things that make sense. There are also a number of features that really are new as well.
 
I really don't understand why I've been marked down to -2 for saying "there are bugs in Lion; I'm concerned about whether they're going to be fixed after ML's release".

If Apple now has an annual cycle of OS releases, and some hardware will be excluded each time (as is the case with ML), then the level of support for last year's OS is a valid issue.

I've been singing Apple's praises since 1988, even in the dark days of the late 90s: I'm not a troll. But I'm not blinkered to the possibility that Apple doesn't always get it right, either.
 
I really don't understand why I've been marked down to -2 for saying "there are bugs in Lion; I'm concerned about whether they're going to be fixed after ML's release".

I'm totally with you and voted you up. I love Apple but I'm concerned about quality control now that Steve is gone. Where's the attention to detail? Snow Leopard was a labor of love. They actually made the O/S smaller!

Lion is a step backwards. If I could've run iCloud on Snow Leopard no way I would've upgraded to Lion. It's buggy, bloated and manages RAM terribly. The spinning beach ball is my new friend thanks to Lion even though I have 8GB of RAM on my loaded 2011 Macbook Pro. And as of 10.7.4 well known bugs still aren't addressed (e.g. the chronic randomization of LaunchPad icons on startup).

The only reason I'll be upgrading to Mountain Lion is the hope that the bugs will be fixed. And yes I'm peeved that I would be paying for bug fixes but at this stage it's better than going back to Windoze (perish the thought).
 
That's amusing as alot of the "new features" are old ones Apple removed from OS X and now returned as "new". "Save As..."? Revolutionary! :rolleyes:

Check the WWDC threads on Apple's OS X 10.8 announcement, hundreds of comments on the same matter. Shame that iOS and the consumer market have chipped away at actual advancements and quality.

Were you guys expecting the new OS to make you coffee or something.

Its like every new OS update; it seeks to correct mistakes of past version(s) and build on existing features/architecture.
 
Were you guys expecting the new OS to make you coffee or something.

Its like every new OS update; it seeks to correct mistakes of past version(s) and build on existing features/architecture.

Oh, I kid, of course not. However, Apple has stretched the "new features" list with items that seem to be thin at best. Apple engineers have been extremely focused on simplifying OS X into an iOS environment, at the cost of stability and progress into such area's as:

- A much needed revamped Finder (HFS+ is wearing very thing, I recall Leopard beta's with ZFS+, shame SunSystems went down and IP et al is keeping such a needed system out of OS X)

- OpenGL Core support (4+ is lagging and needed)

- Lagging support for the professional industry that carried Apple through its rough times and gave them the R&D to venture into Finger-works and multi-touch iOS devices

- Multi-display support

- USB 3.0 (for desktop systems)

- A desktop between a top iMac i7 and a base Mac Pro.

Many have needed this as iMac's are limiting in power (esp. for HD movie rendering), upgradability (leaving only RAM as user upgradable), on-site work/repairs/upgrades as a tower would allow graphics, HDD's, ODD's, eSATA upgrades, swapping out of parts on site should one break unlike an iMac which, if fried, needs off-site repairing which could take days or weeks. Before Apple switched to Intel, PowerMac G4/5's cost ~$1500, a $1k less than entry level Mac Pro's, and Apple offered one of three highly regarded CCFL LCD's, meaning you could purchase a work station for the same price as a well equipped Mac Pro. This has lead to many businesses pushing away from Apple, even with $100k+ for hardware/software upgrades, professionals and design firms/movie houses have realized that Apple is ignoring them while their sales plummet then turning around and claiming "it's because we live in a post-PC era". No dummies, it's because you are neglecting the professional market, which is turning to other platforms! I don't see movie houses replacing their power systems with iMac's, MacBook Pro's (for off-site work, not for heavy lifting), and iPad's. Never gonna happen. The claim that a tower priced around an iMac will cannibalize iMac sales is erroneous as Apple offered PowerMac's alongside iMac's for years; they catered to different markets.

Bottom line, those who have been with Apple since the 90's have watched it change and grow, but at the cost of quality and professional grade hardware and products. Apple can easily afford to focus some of those billions into the professional market, they'd make money and could even positively influence and change it as it has the consumer electronics industry. It's not a post-PC era, desktop will always be necessary as display real estate will always be needed. Most editors have two displays and a monitor for FCP work (or now, Avid Media Composer or Premiere Pro work). When the economy is in the shape it is, it is discouraging to those who make a living off Apple products to know we have become the red-headed stepchild of Apple, Inc. People forget, Steve Jobs worked on workstations, and a Mac Pro was his main go-to system.
 
- A much needed revamped Finder (HFS+ is wearing very thing, I recall Leopard beta's with ZFS+, shame SunSystems went down and IP et al is keeping such a needed system out of OS X)

- OpenGL Core support (4+ is lagging and needed)

- Lagging support for the professional industry that carried Apple through its rough times and gave them the R&D to venture into Finger-works and multi-touch iOS devices

- Multi-display support

Well we are in agreement on these points. For sure.
 
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