Apple pretends that there is no competition

[WilliApple]

Apple seems to be pretending that there is zero competition with the Apple Watch.

Yes, it does have Apple Ecosystem features like Unlock Mac + iPhone with Apple Watch, but tbh, I can live without those. Other than that, there's FaceTime Audio / phone calls and THAT IT IS!

Lets look at the competition:
Garmin

I'd recommend the Forerunner 165 for most people, and if you are athletic, the 265. Here's what the 165 offers that the Series 10 does not:
- L5 GPS
- Few WEEKS (not days or hours) of battery
- More accurate tracking for pretty much everything
- Better coaching.

Now I know that the last 2 are those that most would not care about, but the second one I bet most of you would care about.
Yes, you can see your notifications and messages on your Garmin too, and it even has its own ecosystem of apps that anyone can develop as well!

But the fact that Apple Watch has L1 GPS and only 18 hours of battery life is just pathetic.

I went into a track meet last week and it died mid-race for me, making the Apple Watch more useless than helpful at all. Heck, I was thinking about throwing my Apple Watch off mid-race (This was a 2 mile race btw) because it decided to just die mid race, providing no useful metrics at all.

Now you may think that Garmin's are more expensive, but they really aren't! There in fact CHEAPER than the Apple Watch.

And not to mention that the Series 6, 7, and 8, along with the SE 2 and Ultra 1 will be dropped at the same time. The 9 and 10 will be the same way as well. This is why I don't recommend ANYONE picking up the SE 2 because its going to end up like the Series 3 most likely.

Also why does sleep tracking even exist on the Apple Watch? I would definitely use it if the battery was not bad.

Now I am not saying Apple Watch is bad in every regards, it does have a square display allowing for more info to be present all at once, and it is more integrated right out of the box, but tbh, Garmin's look better as well and with a little setup, you can get it to work with Apple Health.

Now I know what some of you will be saying, why not just get a Garmin or Apple Watch Ultra? I want the integration with Apple's ecosystem since the Apple Watch is more of a day-to-day watch, and the Apple Watch Ultra is just way too expensive. I also want a battery that doesn't die on me at 7 PM when I wake up at 6:30 AM, but don't put it on until 7:10ish, and accurate GPS. Apple claims that runners enjoy a sleek and light design on the series 10, they actually don't if the rest of the watch isn't good for running at all. And the fact that their processors don't update in between some generations triggers me even more, resulting in the 4, 5, SE 1 being dropped at the same time, and the 6, 7, and 8, SE 2, and Ultra 1 being dropped at the same time as well.

I could also go on about what Apple should do to improve watchOS, but thats another threads, and the watch itself needs to improve even more than watchOS.

 

[velsamo]

>- L5 GPS

What matters are the track, not technology. If track is good enough than doesn't matter if watch doesn't have L5 GPS
> - Few WEEKS (not days or hours) of battery

Low-power platform vs phone on your wrist.

> - More accurate tracking for pretty much everything

Debatable

> - Better coaching.
> There in fact CHEAPER than the Apple Watch.

For which Garmin recently created paid subscription, yeah.

 

[WilliApple]

For which Garmin recently created paid subscription, yeah.

I have never had any of my friend pay for the subscription, they all seem to enjoy their Garmin's more than their Apple Watch.

 

[Night Spring]

Apple seems to be pretending that there is zero competition with the Apple Watch.

There's another thread comparing Garmin vs Apple watch. While it started as Ultra vs Garmin, a lot of it is more generally Apple vs Garmin.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-aw-ultra-suddenly-seems-like-a-bargain-now-with-garmins-silly-pricing.2434505/

And what in particular about Apple's behavior makes you think they are pretending there's no competition? They don't run ads? Something they said in their marketing materials? They don't innovate? Something else?

 

[WilliApple]

And what in particular about Apple's behavior makes you think they are pretending there's no competition?

They don’t innovate. There’s garmin over here with a few weeks of battery and L5 GPS comes standard with every Garmin. Plus the processor stays the same in a few generations at a time in the Apple Watch. All Apple does is rounds it a little more and improves CHARGING… not the actual battery itself…

 

[bricktop_at]

Apple seems to be pretending that there is zero competition with the Apple Watch.

There isn‘t, end of story

 

[WilliApple]

There isn‘t, end of story

Garmin Official Site

Delivering innovative GPS-enabled technology across diverse markets, including sports and fitness, outdoor recreation, marine, automotive, and aviation.

www.garmin.com

COROS | Performance Sports Technology

Innovation for runners, adventurers and athletes of all sports.

coros.com

Fitbit too.

 

[bricktop_at]

Garmin Official Site

Delivering innovative GPS-enabled technology across diverse markets, including sports and fitness, outdoor recreation, marine, automotive, and aviation.

www.garmin.com

COROS | Performance Sports Technology

Innovation for runners, adventurers and athletes of all sports.

coros.com

Fitbit too.

You obviously misunderstood my point. That‘s no competition…

 

[kissfan]

Do you work in the Garmin marketing department? If so, please tell development about all the issues with my Garmin devices that are hair pullers.

Their tech ain’t all they think it is.

 

[dbc34]

Apple seems to be pretending that there is zero competition with the Apple Watch.

Yes, it does have Apple Ecosystem features like Unlock Mac + iPhone with Apple Watch, but tbh, I can live without those. Other than that, there's FaceTime Audio / phone calls and THAT IT IS!

Lets look at the competition:
Garmin

I'd recommend the Forerunner 165 for most people, and if you are athletic, the 265. Here's what the 165 offers that the Series 10 does not:
- L5 GPS
- Few WEEKS (not days or hours) of battery
- More accurate tracking for pretty much everything
- Better coaching.

Now I know that the last 2 are those that most would not care about, but the second one I bet most of you would care about.
Yes, you can see your notifications and messages on your Garmin too, and it even has its own ecosystem of apps that anyone can develop as well!

But the fact that Apple Watch has L1 GPS and only 18 hours of battery life is just pathetic.

I went into a track meet last week and it died mid-race for me, making the Apple Watch more useless than helpful at all. Heck, I was thinking about throwing my Apple Watch off mid-race (This was a 2 mile race btw) because it decided to just die mid race, providing no useful metrics at all.

Now you may think that Garmin's are more expensive, but they really aren't! There in fact CHEAPER than the Apple Watch.

And not to mention that the Series 6, 7, and 8, along with the SE 2 and Ultra 1 will be dropped at the same time. The 9 and 10 will be the same way as well. This is why I don't recommend ANYONE picking up the SE 2 because its going to end up like the Series 3 most likely.

Also why does sleep tracking even exist on the Apple Watch? I would definitely use it if the battery was not bad.

Now I am not saying Apple Watch is bad in every regards, it does have a square display allowing for more info to be present all at once, and it is more integrated right out of the box, but tbh, Garmin's look better as well and with a little setup, you can get it to work with Apple Health.

Now I know what some of you will be saying, why not just get a Garmin or Apple Watch Ultra? I want the integration with Apple's ecosystem since the Apple Watch is more of a day-to-day watch, and the Apple Watch Ultra is just way too expensive. I also want a battery that doesn't die on me at 7 PM when I wake up at 6:30 AM, but don't put it on until 7:10ish, and accurate GPS. Apple claims that runners enjoy a sleek and light design on the series 10, they actually don't if the rest of the watch isn't good for running at all. And the fact that their processors don't update in between some generations triggers me even more, resulting in the 4, 5, SE 1 being dropped at the same time, and the 6, 7, and 8, SE 2, and Ultra 1 being dropped at the same time as well.

I could also go on about what Apple should do to improve watchOS, but thats another threads, and the watch itself needs to improve even more than watchOS.

I sleep with my watch every night. Wake up at 5 a.m., workout, put watch on charger, shower, put watch back on, go to work, go for a walk with the dog, put watch back on charger and shower, put watch back on, go to bed before 10. Never have an issue with battery. Always enough to get me to my next shower. Also, cellular. You're battery complaint isn't as bad as you make it sound. Your lack of cellular makes garmin a non starter. Not to mention all the other pluses you put for owning an apple watch.

 

[Vaporbaked94]

Fitness tracking is a feature, not the entire point of the Apple Watch. This is why a specialized brand like Garmin ISN’T competition.

I only wear a watch because I like the Apple Watch for its ecosystem features, I wouldn’t be wearing a watch otherwise.

Also, I use sleep tracking every night on the series 10 and only have to charge it once a day, sometimes every other day. That’s not a problem for most people.

 

[Mr_Brightside_@]

How’s your stay at fifth avenue?

 

[Psdn]

Apple seems to be pretending that there is zero competition with the Apple Watch.

Yes, it does have Apple Ecosystem features like Unlock Mac + iPhone with Apple Watch, but tbh, I can live without those. Other than that, there's FaceTime Audio / phone calls and THAT IT IS!

Lets look at the competition:
Garmin

I'd recommend the Forerunner 165 for most people, and if you are athletic, the 265. Here's what the 165 offers that the Series 10 does not:
- L5 GPS
- Few WEEKS (not days or hours) of battery
- More accurate tracking for pretty much everything
- Better coaching.

Now I know that the last 2 are those that most would not care about, but the second one I bet most of you would care about.
Yes, you can see your notifications and messages on your Garmin too, and it even has its own ecosystem of apps that anyone can develop as well!

But the fact that Apple Watch has L1 GPS and only 18 hours of battery life is just pathetic.

I went into a track meet last week and it died mid-race for me, making the Apple Watch more useless than helpful at all. Heck, I was thinking about throwing my Apple Watch off mid-race (This was a 2 mile race btw) because it decided to just die mid race, providing no useful metrics at all.

Now you may think that Garmin's are more expensive, but they really aren't! There in fact CHEAPER than the Apple Watch.

And not to mention that the Series 6, 7, and 8, along with the SE 2 and Ultra 1 will be dropped at the same time. The 9 and 10 will be the same way as well. This is why I don't recommend ANYONE picking up the SE 2 because its going to end up like the Series 3 most likely.

Also why does sleep tracking even exist on the Apple Watch? I would definitely use it if the battery was not bad.

Now I am not saying Apple Watch is bad in every regards, it does have a square display allowing for more info to be present all at once, and it is more integrated right out of the box, but tbh, Garmin's look better as well and with a little setup, you can get it to work with Apple Health.

Now I know what some of you will be saying, why not just get a Garmin or Apple Watch Ultra? I want the integration with Apple's ecosystem since the Apple Watch is more of a day-to-day watch, and the Apple Watch Ultra is just way too expensive. I also want a battery that doesn't die on me at 7 PM when I wake up at 6:30 AM, but don't put it on until 7:10ish, and accurate GPS. Apple claims that runners enjoy a sleek and light design on the series 10, they actually don't if the rest of the watch isn't good for running at all. And the fact that their processors don't update in between some generations triggers me even more, resulting in the 4, 5, SE 1 being dropped at the same time, and the 6, 7, and 8, SE 2, and Ultra 1 being dropped at the same time as well.

I could also go on about what Apple should do to improve watchOS, but thats another threads, and the watch itself needs to improve even more than watchOS.

Apple Watch Series 10: A Runner's Review

www.roadtrailrun.com

 

[NT1440]

For all intents and purposes there isn’t any competition. Apple Watch on its own is a bigger company than Pepsi. They’ve got a product that sells likely an order of magnitude (perhaps multiples) than the other smartwatches…so why would they bother comparing to others instead of making the product they want to make?

This is the exact same scenario their in with the tablet “market”, which is to say there is the iPad…and then some other companies selling tablets that have no meaningful impact on Apple’s business.

 

[jz0309]

I’ve owned S0/3/4/7/U/U2 and battery life has never need an issue, not once has any of my AWs died on me because it ran out of battery.
You have certain needs and also want Apple to provide enhanced features at no cost to you (the Ultra seems to fit your needs but you say it’s too expensive for you), well, that’s like saying I want a Toyota Yaris with all the features of a Lexus…

I really don’t know what the purpose of the thread is, I hope it’s not going to be another AW vs Garmin discussion as we have plenty of those threads already (as has been pointed out already).

And as for innovating, Apple has advertised 18 hrs of battery life since the beginning and added more and more features…

 

[WilliApple]

I’ve owned S0/3/4/7/U/U2 and battery life has never need an issue, not once has any of my AWs died on me because it ran out of battery.

Because you have an Apple Watch Ultra.
My watch has died on me at 3:10 before, before doing any workouts. Just pure sitting on wrist occasionally checking the time and thats it...

 

[turbineseaplane]

@WilliApple

You are never gonna get a balanced discussion of this comparison on this forum

 

[Beeneeord]

Honestly, it’s kind of weird when people act like the Apple Watch is just defined by its integration with the Apple ecosystem. That’s a big part of it, sure, but it totally misses the bigger picture.

The Apple Watch is as much a lifestyle and fashion product as it is a smartwatch. It does a decent job at fitness tracking, but it‘s more about the overall experience — seamless integration, notifications, messaging, music, payment, and yes, fitness — all wrapped up in a very polished design.

 

[ZiBart]

My Series 10 46mm has better battery than my Ultra 1 in my use case. I have had Fitbits in the past that lasted long but i would run out of battery on those more often because i would forget to charge it. With Apple Watch, its part of my nightly routine. For long marathons or days on the track, you can shut off always on display, get a Garmin chest strap, put Apple watch in low power mode and off load HR and other data to the chest strap. Which may be better data in many ways for serious runners.

 

[rwilliams]

I think we have to stop acting as if the batteries in Apple and Garmin watches are pulling the same duty. Garmins are fitness devices that also act as a smartwatch (to a certain extent). Apple Watches are essentially mini-iPhones that are performing a lot more "smart" functions and also function as fitness trackers. For Apple to match Garmin's battery life, they'd likely have to eliminate a lot of the smartwatch features or find some battery technology that can handle all of that AND last for a week. And if that happened, you could be sure that Garmin and others would use that same technology and still outperform Apple on battery life.

You basically have to decide what's more important - smartwatch or fitness - and live with the trade offs.

 

[FreakinEurekan]

Depends on what you're using the watch for.

As a general companion to your phone, the Apple Watch is hands-down superior. Integrated notifications, integrated apps. No comparison.

As a fashion accessory, Apple Watch is again far superior. Better color options, band options, face options.

As a sports/fitness device, it's a little murkier. For me, not a hard-core person but like to keep track of my exercise, the Apple Watch does fine (and I get the added other benefits). But if you have specialized requirements, it certainly makes sense to get a specialized device to meet them.

 

[jz0309]

Because you have an Apple Watch Ultra.
My watch has died on me at 3:10 before, before doing any workouts. Just pure sitting on wrist occasionally checking the time and thats it...

I got the first Ultra when it was released so ~ 2.5 years ago, my S0 I got in Nov or so of 2015, and then other models that I listed in-between.
I did not get the Ultra for its battery life btw.
I've been on 2-3 hr mountain bike rides with GPS tracking of the workout with all of my watches, never once did I run out of battery on either model.

If yours lasts only until mid afternoon after a full charge in the morning, there's something wrong and maybe you should take that up with Apple.

 

[QCassidy352]

I’ve had many Garmins and many Apple Watches. I’m a runner, too, though no longer a competitive one, as I once was.

I prefer the Apple Watch because of the built in LTE (I don’t need it that often but buy when you do, you’re REALLY glad to have it) and integration with Apple Music, Apple Pay, etc.

Garmin is terrific for sport and has lots of advantages over AW, but it’s a less versatile and capable device outside of advanced fitness metrics.

 

[Night Spring]

Because you have an Apple Watch Ultra.
My watch has died on me at 3:10 before, before doing any workouts. Just pure sitting on wrist occasionally checking the time and thats it...

Like the other poster said, if your Apple Watch lasts only half a day, then you need a new battery.

 

[TechnoMonk]

As a garmin/polar user for couple of decades, I don’t miss either one of them. AW is good enough for me, if I want to geek out on numbers, I go to a sport lab and get accurate readings. Garmin/AW/Pokar all use algorithms for lot of the metrics. It’s more for trend. If you need real numbers say for sleep, get a sleep study, you want Vo2, REQ and other similar metabolic fitness metrics. Shove down a breathing tube and work out being attached to a machine.