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Apple Privacy Chief Explains 'Built-in' Privacy Protections in Child Safety Features Amid User Concerns
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I will still using iPhone because of privacy matters compare to Android (unless you use CyxOS which is great) is better but I'M NOT using iCloud for Photos and Messages anymore.
So basically best solution (for now) is iOS + third party apps. Instead of using first party apps from Apple.
So basically best solution (for now) is iOS + third party apps. Instead of using first party apps from Apple.
She was a huge celebrity, uploading her nude pictures to the cloud, and not having 2 factor authentication on.
that was a huge blunder for Apple, but that was easily avoidable.
Long winded responses that boil down to, “Apple no longer respects your privacy.”
"if an account is flagged with a collection of illegal CSAM material, an Apple team will review that to make sure that it is a correct match of illegal CSAM material prior to making any referral to any external entity."
How exactly are they going to do this part? Are they just going to manually compare hash numbers? How is manually comparing hash numbers going to "make sure it is a correct match".
Surely they will not be looking at actual photos of CSAM material.
How exactly are they going to do this part? Are they just going to manually compare hash numbers? How is manually comparing hash numbers going to "make sure it is a correct match".
Surely they will not be looking at actual photos of CSAM material.
You say that like it's a good thing. There are ways to scan and combat without breaking encryption.
Besides, some reporting is occurring.
Google Transparency Report
Fighting child sexual abuse online
Google is committed to fighting child sexual abuse material (CSAM) online and preventing our platforms from being used to spread this kind of content.
protectingchildren.google
On social media, child sexual abuse material spreads faster than it can be taken down
Child sexual abuse material runs rampant on the internet thanks to popular social media platforms like Facebook, even despite attempts to crack down on its spread. We need scalable technology to address it.
The issue is most of the material is hosted in the EU (so Apple's actions won't affect that; however, it's a start: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2020/659360/EPRS_BRI(2020)659360_EN.pdf
As usual, nothing going to happens. People will talk about it for maybe a week and forget it. Everybody will update iphone to 15, and new iPhone will be 15 by default and everybody will buy it as usual. Till the next time, when apple add something more, and again it will be critisied, created a buzz for a couple days, but nothing going to changed. As of today there is no any alternative to duo-poly and it will not be in any future. Apple will introdused more walled-guarden stuff on iPhone and mac, and it will be till the day, that somebody will create so huge mailware, that will sneak behind all walls apple bult, and even apple will not recognize it and than when damage will be so $$$, maybe apple change the tactic, but not now.
Unfortunately, unless there's a full retraction on this policy, no assurances will suffice for a lot of customers.
I miss the old days when we were arguing about the notch and face id. This is a bad apple.
I look forward to tens of millions of teenagers being arrested on child pornography charges.
Finish turning the high schools onto prisons.
Finish turning the high schools onto prisons.
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The notch is here to stay lol It doesn't even bother the consumers anymore. I think people gave up and got used to it. Apple can't figure it out
Yep. This is how you announce something but sneak something else. I’m not the conspiracy type. But let’s say it would not surprise me if Apple is doing something else but is under national security guidelines to not disclose it. So it’s just stated as helping the children. But, as I said in another thread, this doesn’t really prevent abuse or the creator of the image. Just someone who has utterly disgusting and sick issues that they just save a pre-existing image. They didn’t abuse the child or even create the picture. They are sick and disgusting and need help definitely. But I want to see the CREATORS get caught here. That will protect the kids.
Maybe one could explain to me what kind of photos are you feared to show to Apple? I know, I know, it will heavily rain those red thumbs down scores. But maybe you can share your concerns with REAL examples.
In my world: I never had and never and know no one off of my friends, relatives and parents who ever had taken at any time naked pictures of them selfes, nor do I wish to have contact with those.
Also: What if Apple's take on this would decimate child porn world wide like at about 50%? Wouldn't it be worth it?
In my world: I never had and never and know no one off of my friends, relatives and parents who ever had taken at any time naked pictures of them selfes, nor do I wish to have contact with those.
Also: What if Apple's take on this would decimate child porn world wide like at about 50%? Wouldn't it be worth it?
Read up on how the scan works. It's looking for known, circulated child pornography images, not scanning for every nipple and dick it can find.
EDIT: Apparently I was wrong. According to the Decoder podcast, the hash checking against known child pornography is only for iCloud content (although the actual checking will happen on your device). Your phone will also scan your iMessage images (and possibly camera roll, although that was confusing) for ANY child abuse material, although the metric by which they categorize that is completely unclear.
That's a little more concerning.
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Are you telling me you are OK with Apple snooping inside your iPhone and looking at your wife pictures?
The guy just said the hashes are coded into iOS15, and it is being pushed to all iPhones worldwide. The scanning is still done locally, but the phone won't transmit any matches to Apple unless you have US iCloud turned on, for now. So imo this is still a scandal for Apple to force a US-centric policy to everyone in the world, as the hashes and scanning are coded into iOS.
And that is basically proof of concept, to other governments that this mass scanning system exist on iOS. I think we can guess what other governments are starting to plan to "have a discussion with Apple."
So it was ok for people to access, sell, and distribute them because Apple messed up security, people really wanted to see her naked, or she didn't declare them private enough by having a password?
What part of that should make us feel better?
Apparently you don't understand the concept of principles, in this case the principle of privacy. Just because you don't have anything to hide doesn't mean you should be ok with others seeing/knowing your thoughts/files/photos/locations.
You also seems to be oblivious government or corporate entities abusing user data.
This is a dumb argument. If you have nothing to hide then why not let authorities come do weekly inspections of your house or frisk you on the street or search your car? Why not get audited every day? Innocence and privacy are not mutually exclusive. While I feel that people are blowing this thing out of proportion (slightly, it does open the door to bad stuff in the future ), yours is far and away the worse argument.
I disagree. The fact Apple have had to go on the backfoot shows how foolish it was to proceed at all. They have blotted their copybook and whatever they say, whatever is suggested, this still comes down to SURVEILANCE and PRIVACY, a mainstay that has served Apple well in protecting against invasion of privacy and surveillance, but now it has shot itself in the foot so badly that even current court cases may be affected as they have virtually given their opposition a bat to hit themselves with and I can see companies and some individuals lining up to make the most of it, including Epic, Facebook, Elon etc. etc.
For me this is a red line they should never have crossed.
In fact I do not even believe their explanation as it makes no sense. They DO NOT have access to police files, they certainly do not have authorisation in many countries outside the USA to have that data or interfere in such a way.
It is not about safeguarding children, as in common with dictators and some governments, such matters are always initiated in the name of a good cause, but the fact is this is about SURVEILLANCE AND PRIVACY.
They have been forced to fire fight in a fight they should never be in! Its not their remit to be a global police force, or act as a servant of whatever State their equipment is in.
When it comes to their own privacy on potential leaks, Apple jumps on organisations and people from a great height!
Likewise the explanation that its designed NOT to do something has never stopped such things happening and where its irrelevant to the argument, as this is SURVEILLANCE in anyone's book, and it will affect PRIVACY, something Apple previously rightly used to differentiate itself from others it took fire at over lack of privacy.
Its rather akin to a Minority Report situation. I can only reiterate my first post about this when the news came out.
First they came for the 'suspect' Children's Pictures
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Child Abuser
Then they came for the 'suspect' Adult pictures
And I did not speak out
Because my pictures were not those
Then they came for 'suspect' Animal Abuse pictures
And I did not speak out
Because I was not an Animal Abuser
Then they came for 'suspect' Law Breakers
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Law Breaker
Then they came to control Everyone's Data
And there was no one left who could speak out
Not even Me!
Doesn't really address any of the important points.
Nothing on if NCMEC are trustworthy to partner with, with their history of attacking consenting adult sex workers, the lack of independent verification of their accuracy, their unaccountability outside of the US and their previous lies to congress, not to mention their appalling attitudes as shown by the emails.
No clear question on "will Apple comply with a court order to use the iMessage scanning function with other content, yes or no." (Not launching the feature outside of the US doesn't protect from this in the slightest. They've still built it. It still exists).
No clear question on why Apple hasn't published technical information on the nudity detection on iMessage. Nothing on it's failure rate.
No clear question on how the iMessage reporting function won't be abused by people falsely setting up child accounts in the case of domestic violence.
Nothing on if NCMEC are trustworthy to partner with, with their history of attacking consenting adult sex workers, the lack of independent verification of their accuracy, their unaccountability outside of the US and their previous lies to congress, not to mention their appalling attitudes as shown by the emails.
No clear question on "will Apple comply with a court order to use the iMessage scanning function with other content, yes or no." (Not launching the feature outside of the US doesn't protect from this in the slightest. They've still built it. It still exists).
No clear question on why Apple hasn't published technical information on the nudity detection on iMessage. Nothing on it's failure rate.
No clear question on how the iMessage reporting function won't be abused by people falsely setting up child accounts in the case of domestic violence.
Already did. But from the other end, as the images circulate and proliferate across the web, they get added to the database. The biggest distributors of child porn are kids themselves. The content they entertain each other with is adults problem to live in the world with, as we try to “protect” them from their own sexuality. Ridiculous. Hopefully this backfires in an appropriately extreme way.
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Well, it's simpler than you think, I expect. Apple is liable if they store collections of illegal content in the Apple iCloud system, I suspect. Sure, they have a user agreement that says they are not responsible for what users store there, and users agree not to store illegal content there, blah blah. They still get served with dozens of warrants to get data out of iCloud. They do not have the keys to decrypt on phone data (Apple's says, and it's probably true). But we've seen that is not the case with iCloud backups. So I'd guess this move is to try and cut off all the child imagery warrants. If they can show a chain of blocking or detecting illegal child imagery on users devices before it goes to iCloud (or at least flagging those accounts), then poof, hopefully for them a whole class of warrant requests drops off.
It's more efficient for their data centers too, as image hashing happens before encryption, I'd bet. So they can check the hash any time and leave images encrypted on up the chain. Hash it when you run the initial AI pipeline on the images, done.
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From the creators of "we believe it's a fundamental human right".